Thread to collect Evolutionist Lies.

[Metal Minister]

Really, you want to go there? Posting synonyms of evolution? That is just precious. Did you know that the word "creation" has many meanings too?

A request for the multiple definitions of evolution was requested, I simply obliged.

 

[CabVet]

Oh boy, you better get with loudmouth then because you guys are using different playbooks...his definition is a change in allele frequency within a population over time...not the same.

Oh my... Here, let me make this perfectly clear for you:

Change in allele frequency within a population over time = descent with modification.

They are one and the same.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

Meanwhile the recent events in the UN climate panel showing peer review to be very lacking puts the lie to this statement.

You'll excuse me if I weigh the centuries of scientific progress heavier than your paltry, unsourced example.

As does abiogenesis, yet most atheists will stick to it dogmatically.

Meanwhile, in reality, abiogenesis is a vibrant scientific field predicated on a wealth of literature.

By all means, though, remain willfully ignorant.

There are more but I'm sure you get the idea...

I get the idea that there are many ways to word the same concept. I already speak English, so I didn't need you to tell me that.

Also, this does absolutely nothing to support your assertion - that 'evolutionists' change the definition of 'evolution' to suit themselves. You have not even begun to substantiate that.

 

[CabVet]

A request for the multiple definitions of evolution was requested, I simply obliged.

Nobody asked for multiple definitions of the word "evolution". We asked you to substantiate this statement:

You mean like how the definition of evolution changes from person to person, depending on the argument they're trying to win?

Which you did not.

 

[Metal Minister]

Oh my... Here, let me make this perfectly clear for you:

Change in allele frequency within a population over time =/= descent with modification.

There fixed it for you. One insinuates advancement, the other does not. I already saw loudmouth post that before, that change is alleles doesn't mean advancement, but I understand that evolution has an amorphous meaning...its kept that way so every time something else is discovered, regardless of what it may actually prove, evolution can take credit. Gee, whatever happened to natural selection being the driving force for evolution?

 

[Metal Minister]

Nobody asked for multiple definitions of the word "evolution". We asked you to substantiate this statement:

Which you did not.

So showing you the multiple definitions isn't showing you the multiple definitions?

 

[CabVet]

There fixed it for you. One insinuates advancement, the other does not. I already saw loudmouth post that before, that change is alleles doesn't mean advancement, but I understand that evolution has an amorphous meaning...its kept that way so every time something else is discovered, regardless of what it may actually prove, evolution can take credit. Gee, whatever happened to natural selection being the driving force for evolution?

So, which one again "insinuates advancement"? The word "modification" is different from "change"? Since when?

 

[CabVet]

So showing you the multiple definitions isn't showing you the multiple definitions?

Your statement was not that there were different definitions. It was that evolutionists change their definitions to suit their needs. Want me to paste it again? Here:

You mean like how the definition of evolution changes from person to person, depending on the argument they're trying to win?

 

[Metal Minister]

Your statement was not that there were difference definitions. It was that evolutionists change their definitions to suit their needs. Want me to paste it again? Here:

Maybe this will help...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbw9fCBpous&sns=em

It's a clear case of switching stances mid stream.

 

[Metal Minister]

Your statement was not that there were different definitions. It was that evolutionists change their definitions to suit their needs. Want me to paste it again? Here:

How many times a day, on this forum alone, do evolutionists conflate the idea of adaptations, or variations (minor change over time if It makes you feel better) with the unproved version which states we all came from a single cell? They are very different assertions no matter how much one wants to call them the same.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

You are still making a category error.

Multiple mechanisms (natural selection, mutation, etc.) encompassed in one theory. Not multiple theories.

Understand that now, and be at peace with reality.

 

[CabVet]

Maybe this will help...

It's a clear case of switching stances mid stream.

I went through the torture of watching the entire stupid video with silly repetitions to find out in the end that not once he changed his definition of evolution. He is a poor debater, I will give you that. But it does not substantiate your statement. Try again.

 

[Metal Minister]

I went through the torture of watching the entire stupid video with silly repetitions to find out in the end that not once he changed his definition of evolution. Try again.

S...m...h...I never said he changed his definition, I was pointing out the fact that evolutionists do change their stance mid stream to win an argument. I'm trying to lead you carefully by the hand...

 

[CabVet]

How many times a day, on this forum alone, do evolutionists conflate the idea of adaptations, or variations (minor change over time if It makes you feel better) with the unproved version which states we all came from a single cell? They are very different assertions no matter how much one wants to call them the same.

Not once. How about you back up this new statement while you are trying to back up the other one.

 

[CabVet]

S...m...h...I never said he changed his definition, I was pointing out the fact that evolutionists do change their stance mid stream to win an argument. I'm trying to lead you carefully by the hand...

Nobody asked you to find examples of poor evolution debaters, I know many myself. What I ask for was evidence to back up this statement:

You mean like how the definition of evolution changes from person to person, depending on the argument they're trying to win?

Here, leading you carefully by the hand, give me one example of the definition of evolution changing from person to person, depending on the argument they're trying to win.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

These silly Christians are always changing the definition of Christianity. One moment they're saying you need to accept Jesus, the next, they're telling you to turn away from sin, then they're telling you to love your neighbor...

So which is it? Clearly they can't make up their minds.

 

[Metal Minister]

You are still making a category error.

Multiple mechanisms (natural selection, mutation, etc.) encompassed in one theory. Not multiple theories.

Understand that now, and be at peace with reality.

Again I will say, there is a major difference between minor changes and the idea that we came from a single cell. The proof alone is like a crack in the sidewalk (single cell to all life) versus the grand canyon (minor changes occur). I'm also telling you that science, and scientists are not these paragons of perfect unbiased virtue. Their preconceived notions will always bleed through and taint there science, no matter what.

 

[CabVet]

Again I will say, there is a major difference between minor changes and the idea that we came from a single cell. The proof alone is like a crack in the sidewalk (single cell to all life) versus the grand canyon (minor changes occur). I'm also telling you that science, and scientists are not these paragons of perfect unbiased virtue. Their preconceived notions will always bleed through and taint there science, no matter what.

Yeah, and you are also telling us that people change their definition of evolution all the time to fit their needs, so there must be examples.

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

These silly Christians are always changing the definition of Christianity. One moment they're saying you need to accept Jesus, the next, they're telling you to turn away from sin, then they're telling you to love your neighbor...

So which is it? Clearly they can't make up their minds.

Yeah, and one minute they say that Christ is a blood sacrifice, then he's the conquering champion of mankind, then he's a lamb, then he's a man, then he's God.

 

[Metal Minister]

Yeah, and you are also telling us that people change their definition of evolution all the time to fit their needs, so there must be examples.

You just gave one. Perhaps clarification is in order...when you point to a minor change as proof of single cell to all life, you are guilty of bait and switch. They are not the same. The idea of descent with modification is not sufficient to account for all life, even on the most basic of logical premises.