Thousand Foot Krutch.. How Christian are they?

[Beoga]

i personally love tfk, I believe they are christians, plus they seem to embrace the christian label and don't try and shy away from it. my only problem is that being a christian, Christ is (or should be) the center of your life. whatever you do, Christ should be the center. in speech, in action, in deed, etc. that doesn't mean that every converstation you have has to mention God or whatever, but he should be the focus. Why do christian bands and "christians" themselves have problems with bands always singing about the glory of God? Is that what we are really here for, to glorify God? I understand bands talking about other life issues, but all those sings should lead back to God, and many times they don't. It frustrates me when these musicians are like, "I am a christian in a band." Its like being a christian to them is a side thing in their life. If you could get one message out in your life, what would it be, life is a party, life is hard, or God is the only way to have life. what would you try and get out?

 

[Collide]

But the question should then be asked: Why would a Christian want to write a song that doesn't, at least to some degree, reflect eternal truth?

Because..lets see..oh yeah...because THEY CAN.
It's posts like this that get me mad at alot of "christians" tearing apart a good christian band that has probably shared more about god then any of you. Posts like this need to stop..if a non-christian reads this and is on the verge of becoming a christian what are they going to think? I sure would be turned off...

 

[Beoga]

Because..lets see..oh yeah...because THEY CAN.
It's posts like this that get me mad at alot of "christians" tearing apart a good christian band that has probably shared more about god then any of you. Posts like this need to stop..if a non-christian reads this and is on the verge of becoming a christian what are they going to think? I sure would be turned off...

one, God will draw a person to him no matter what, posts like these will not change whether someone will become saved or not.
two, i don't think we are necessarily "tearing" at them. why would you not want to share or sing about the one that saved you, or at the very least point to your Savior. By no means am I saying that every song has to mention Jesus, or that every single song has to be uplifting(happy) or about Jesus. If you see someone who claims to be a Christian never talk about Christ or never seem to point at him, would that make you question whether they are truly saved. If you were going off to the worse place ever, forever, and someone saved you from it, wouldn't you want to share that?

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

one, God will draw a person to him no matter what, posts like these will not change whether someone will become saved or not.
two, i don't think we are necessarily "tearing" at them. why would you not want to share or sing about the one that saved you, or at the very least point to your Savior. By no means am I saying that every song has to mention Jesus, or that every single song has to be uplifting(happy) or about Jesus. If you see someone who claims to be a Christian never talk about Christ or never seem to point at him, would that make you question whether they are truly saved. If you were going off to the worse place ever, forever, and someone saved you from it, wouldn't you want to share that?

Is every word you you say a Godly word or directly biblical?

Christians have times in their lives with God that are not intimate, but rather casual. WHen shopping, do we go around and start preaching? No, we mind our business, act in a loving way, and if an opportunity to share the gospel comes about, then we exploit it.

As far as bands who say they are christian, yet do not play chirstian music: If their music is positive then I will take their word for it. Being in a band is their job. They make music for people to listen to. Is it wrong that it's not christian?
Well I work at radio shack, is it wrong that I do not sell christian cell phones or batteries?

 

[Beoga]

Is every word you you say a Godly word or directly biblical?

Christians have times in their lives with God that are not intimate, but rather casual. WHen shopping, do we go around and start preaching? No, we mind our business, act in a loving way, and if an opportunity to share the gospel comes about, then we exploit it.

As far as bands who say they are christian, yet do not play chirstian music: If their music is positive then I will take their word for it. Being in a band is their job. They make music for people to listen to. Is it wrong that it's not christian?
Well I work at radio shack, is it wrong that I do not sell christian cell phones or batteries?

Yeah i know christians have times in their lives when it is casual, not intimate. but that is all that they seem to sing about. so many songs are "casual" and so watered down that they look the same as songs by a secular band.
No, when i am shopping i don't start preaching. but it is an attitued like this that scares me. did the disciples mind their own business? did they way until an oppurtunity arose for them to share? no, they spoke boldly about Christ and spoke up.
Your last statement is pointless, no offense, because it is not the best analogy, cell phones and batteries are neutral, a band and their beliefs are not neutral.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

Yeah i know christians have times in their lives when it is casual, not intimate. but that is all that they seem to sing about. so many songs are "casual" and so watered down that they look the same as songs by a secular band.
No, when i am shopping i don't start preaching. but it is an attitued like this that scares me. did the disciples mind their own business? did they way until an oppurtunity arose for them to share? no, they spoke boldly about Christ and spoke up.
Your last statement is pointless, no offense, because it is not the best analogy, cell phones and batteries are neutral, a band and their beliefs are not neutral.

Well from what I have gotten from tfk's lyrics is far from casual anyways. I find thier lyrics to be of the upmost intensity.

"did the disciples mind their own business? did they way until an oppurtunity arose for them to share? no, they spoke boldly about Christ and spoke up."

The disciples were starting a brand new beliefe system in which no one knew about. Here in america, no a days, especially after the passion, nearly everyone has a pretty good understanding who Jesus is. If their mind is not willing to hear about Him, then they will not listen and infact turn them off.

"cell phones and batteries are neutral, a band and their beliefs are not neutral."

It's not about the items. Being in a band is how they earn their income. Same with me only I sell things. Do I share the gospel at my job? I have a couple times. TKF just has better and more options.

Like I said before... it's not about what you say, it's how you act. They can sing about the gospel all they want... if their heart is not in the right place then nothing will be accomplished. If their heart was REALLY in the right place, it wouldn't take anywords at all, but rather people will see them and KNOW there is something different about them. Just like how people went to Jesus.

 

[Beoga]

to me, tfks newest cd is a lot more casual than their first one, i enjoy phenomenon much better, but i hope their message doesn't get even more watered down. that is what i fear, bands watering down their music to earn a buck a make a fan.
so since "everybody" in american knows about christianity, are we just supposed to sit back and wait until they come to us, or are we supposed to come out to them?

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

to me, tfks newest cd is a lot more casual than their first one, i enjoy phenomenon much better, but i hope their message doesn't get even more watered down. that is what i fear, bands watering down their music to earn a buck a make a fan.
so since "everybody" in american knows about christianity, are we just supposed to sit back and wait until they come to us, or are we supposed to come out to them?

Go out to them, but they must first be willing to listen.

And I see no difference in TFK's lyrics. They sound better, yes, that is a fact, but I believe their lyrics are getting deeper and more mature.

 

[JC 101 FM]

Because..lets see..oh yeah...because THEY CAN.
It's posts like this that get me mad at alot of "christians" tearing apart a good christian band that has probably shared more about god then any of you. Posts like this need to stop..if a non-christian reads this and is on the verge of becoming a christian what are they going to think? I sure would be turned off...

Agreed

If you don't like TFK's ministry, start your own and win souls for Christ

 

[Beoga]

And I see no difference in TFK's lyrics. They sound better, yes, that is a fact, but I believe their lyrics are getting deeper and more mature.

honestly, non sarcastically, i would like to see what songs you thought were deeper, cause i don't see it. i would like to hear from someone else.

 

[christiangirl199]

I think that Thousand Foot Krutch should be reflecting Christ more often in their music. I mean, it's not like "Rawkfist" has anything to do with God. In my opinion, they should choose better lyrics for their songs.

 

[christiangirl199]

honestly, non sarcastically, i would like to see what songs you thought were deeper, cause i don't see it. i would like to hear from someone else.

I totally agree with you.

 

[GeorgiaPeach]

I think that Thousand Foot Krutch should be reflecting Christ more often in their music. I mean, it's not like "Rawkfist" has anything to do with God. In my opinion, they should choose better lyrics for their songs.

I agree. What kind of band thinks they have the right to put the type of lyrics in their songs that doesn't repeat "I love Christ!!" 6 times in every stanza!! The nerve!! I'll never listen to their cd ever again!!! In fact, off to the burn pile with all of the Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter material! Those heathenistic Satan worshipers!! Wolves in sheep's clothing, they are!

 

[Qyöt27]

And I see no difference in TFK's lyrics. They sound better, yes, that is a fact, but I believe their lyrics are getting deeper and more mature.

honestly, non sarcastically, i would like to see what songs you thought were deeper, cause i don't see it. i would like to hear from someone else.

The point is to be thought-provoking and insightful. Often times the way that is carried out is through something called metaphoric transport. Basically it means that the metaphor is there, and the way one interprets it can be unique and deep, or bland and generic. Some people will see it as a great testament, others will see it as weak witness, but that's all personal opinion. Obviously the metaphor is reflecting something powerful in the author's life, so that strength is there for them, but for their listeners, it can be received in a variety of flavors.

Certain types of secular music have been like this for a long time, and those songs often times will find favor among Christian listeners because they can relate those words to their relationship with God or to the way that humans are juxtaposed against God's holiness. It really is a common concept, it's been applied by both Christian and non-Christian lyricists for a long time, but I've found that only recently has mainstream Christian music embraced it as a valid method of testifying. That's probably also part of the reason that more and more Christian artists are getting exposure in the secular market. From a secular perspective, if someone knows the band is a Christian band, they know from the start what the metaphors are designed to relay, or they might not and could start trying to understand what the metaphor means, and would ask Christians to explain it to them, thus giving a chance to witness.

Personally, most of the Christian music I listen to utilizes those metaphors, so I don't really know what bands are really being referred to as being in need of clarity, unless it's just that the metaphors aren't being picked up on.

 

[tiggs]

From an interview of TFK found at http://www.christrock.com/html_interview_thousand_foot_krutch.shtml


CC: Where does the ministry fit into Thousand Foot Krutch and what kind of emphasis does the band place on ministry?

Trevor: You know what? We’re four Christian guys and that’s our lives. Music is the talents and abilities God’s blessed us with and we’re excited about giving that back to Him. Most importantly; when we’re playing High schools and clubs and pubs and colleges or wherever, we just want to let people know, be yourself and that God has a plan for every one of you guys. Despite what your past is or if you even believe in God. He’s got a plan for you and He can help you reach your full potential which is so much more than you even think that you could do! There’s so much hope. It’s a big thing. It’ll probably show up in a lot of our new stuff too. We just had a chance to hang out with the kids of Columbine High school and a lot of those places. There are just so many kids that don’t have the home life or the hope that some of us grew up with. They really need to know that there’s so much hope for them out there

CC: That’s amazing what an opportunity! Is there anything that has come out of your ministry time that stands out for you?

Trevor: Yea man, we want God to do what He wants to do. We don’t want to limit Him, we’re not trying to be overly preachy or we’re not a gospel rock band. But, we had a show (outreach event) at Indiana Wesleyan University and 400 kids got saved dude, this is like last month. It was insane, it was awesome.

CC: Get out, that’s incredible! That’s some outreach event

Trevor: Yea, it was completely an outreach event and it was incredible. It’s just one of those things, that before each show; I just want to make clear that we’re just like “God, do what YOU want to do tonight, if You want us to say this then let’s just do it, I’ll say it. If You don’t, we won’t say anything tonight. We don’t give altar calls, barely ever.


I just wanted to add that little bit. TFK is by far my favorite band right now. I listen to them DAILY as well as watch their videos on TVU frequently. I'm so psyched to see them this summer, I'm getting to the concert like 3 hours early.

Anyway, I see TFK as definately a christian band that stands for Christ. Listen to the lyrics of Lift It (up) and Small Town, amidst others. I can't wait for their re-release of their first album which hopefully has the song in my sig on it as their previously un-released song.

Thanks for letting me share this with you.

 

[prayer_warrior_of_Christ]

I don't know if you've read up about TFK, but they talk alot about God in their interviews in magazines, etc. And most of their songs from Phenomenon really talk about our lives as Christians. Like the song - Step To Me, talks about fighting against the enemy, and being victorious over it. And, I'm pretty sure that the song - This Is A Call, says "she's calling out to You", meaning Jesus,
and "I'm asking You to show me what this life is all about", meaning a life through Christ. And, "if you're real, then save me Jesus."

I hope this answers your questions. If you want to talk email me:
prayer_warrior_of_Christ@hotmail.com

God Bless!!!

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

honestly, non sarcastically, i would like to see what songs you thought were deeper, cause i don't see it. i would like to hear from someone else.

I don't know the song names cause I never really pay attention to titles, but track 1, track 4, and the last song are much more mature.

Also the song "Last words" (I think thats what the song is called) is very awesome and mature.

A good sign of maturity is not being afraid of being legalistic, and rawk fist is an awesome song that displays openness and reveals that they can just have fun and chill without worrying about being judged.