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x141 said:

If you don't know you are saved how are you saved ...

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if someone is saved, then it just is, or where can you be sure from whether you are saved or not?!, if God saves someone or does not, then where can that person be sure from (that) it is saved?!, for example there was till now a confidence in the true Lord God and some people were persuaded by Him, and here is one example of such a confidence:

Romans 14:14 "I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean."

note: because it is not possible that anything created by the true Lord God be unclean of itself, otherwise He would be unrighteous/sinful if He created unclean things

so if He gives a confidence to certain person about something, then it would not be surprising that such a person is so (firmly) persuaded about that thing

Blessings

toLiJC said:

if someone is saved, then it just is, or where can you be sure from whether you are saved or not?!, if God saves someone or does not, then where can that person be sure from (that) it is saved?!, for example there was till now a confidence in the true Lord God and some people were persuaded by Him, and here is one example of such a confidence:

Romans 14:14 "I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean."

note: because it is not possible that anything created by the true Lord God be unclean of itself, otherwise He would be unrighteous/sinful if He created unclean things

so if He gives a confidence to certain person about something, then it would not be surprising that such a person is so (firmly) persuaded about that thing

Blessings

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Reminds me of this scripture.

2 Corinthians 6:17 Therefore

“Come out from among them
And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.”[a]

Faith to me seems like a battle sometimes. I look within myself and see things that i do not like, and i wonder why those things are there if in fact i am truly saved. Its hard to shut my eyes to those things and pretend that they dont exist. Im troubled by what i see, i put hope in the Lord, i keep telling myself that Gods mercy outweighs those things, but at the same time i still wonder. I hope that God will save this sinner, and i hope that he will forgive my weak faith. Without him i have nothing to live for.

God bless this thread, and all in it...

x141 said:

Without him none of us would be here, and if this/we were not a finished work in the mind of God before he spoke, it will never be finished ... of this I am persuaded ...

A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.

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Blessed are the poor in spirit. Blessed are the meek.

there is perfect unity in Christ because Christ is the Son of God and the Son of God is with the Father and they, having from all eternity as the foundation and completion of all of reality, have joined themselves into the third persona of God who is the Holy Spirit. so this is how reality is designed to be. father, son, spirit. so the father is himself. the son is himself. the spirit is himself. they are true being. fallen man is not real being. he is potential being. he is being and non-being mixed together due to man not being in Christ and thus not fully being in God. fallen man is not fully actualized, fallen man is not fully waken up to true reality. absolute man is in the Son of God, that is where man has his true being. mans origins is in God, not in this universe. man is naturally good because he is made in Gods image. but man has freedom, even freedom to die away from God and become a slave to something less than what God desires. this is where mans evils come from - his own freedom without sight of Gods.

the nature of reality, who is the Trinity in whom mankind is rooted in, means that the outcome of reality is already from all eternity done because the Holy Spirit reveals this reality. this unity of the first persona of God in love with the second persona of God means that in Christ mankind and all of our fallen universe and all heavens and ectect are by their very foundations created out of God for God and by God. if there was only the son and the father then there would be the possibility of an eternal separation. but the super-unity of God is the reality and the truth and so mankind in his fallen state can be blind to reality, can deny and reject themselves and God, but only insomuch as they are spiritually dead and fallen into one of the very many different spheres of realities created out of Gods infinite love that is the Trinity. but they are all contained in God and moved towards God by God and completed in God.

the Son is in the Father and the Father is in the Son and the Holy Spirit is in them both. the picture of the Trinity is the fullness of all of reality... of oneness in threeness... of finality in trinality. the Father is free. the Son is free. the Holy Spirit is free. but they all love with all they are in an eternal embrace and all things in them are fully embraced. everything is everlasting joy in true and best reality. there is a divine separation in the Trinity and there is a divine unity in the Trinity. there is process in God. all three are the same Divinity, same Godhead. the father is not the son, the son is not the father, ectect.

fallen humanity is the death of the son of God. the woman became something separated from the man. God raised his Son from the dead. the woman joined with the man.

it seems like no one knows what it means... that we are in the very embrace and beauty and love of the Trinity... of Gods love.... do you not understand that God made us out of his own love?

mysticism is not for the first adam. it is only for the second adam. the first adam has his exoteric, outer and corruptible religion which is time after time renewed by the prophets and mystics and those who are deeply in the Spirit of God and who love God and the world enough to establish religion for the world or do some other kind of divine appointed work.

so on the lower you have your average person who pays his "tenth/tithe". who goes about his life and nods his head towards God as he does those things he thinks is good and right... some men seeing more some seeing less. at the first adams worst, his "doing of good" meant blindly following orders and killing people in the name of God or a few men or this or that government or this or that foolish idea that has no value to those who dwell in the highest heaven. at mans best he tried to detach himself from all things but God, he prayed to God in innocence of heart in various ways. he desired God. he pined away for God. he daily searched the scriptures for God. he sought for the kingdom of heaven FIRST just as Jesus Christ told him to do. he died and became born again and lived in and through Christ and thus through and with God and in the deepness of spiritual life. in this fullness of Life that Jesus Christ desired all to have man was able to fulfill the two greatest commandments and God was happy and so too was man.

mysticism does not change the world because the world does not want to change and that is why the world so corrupts and slanders the highest of spiritual gifts and why the world kills the prophets and rejects the mystics. the flesh makes war with the spirit and the spirit makes war with the flesh.

mysticism can not be the outer clothing of religion because mysticism is only for those who deeply seek God and don't want anything to do with the fallen world. the simple and basic milk of the gospel should be the foundation of Christianity and its very mind is Christ and when it fully matures it stops being foolish, for the old man was foolish. the new man is wisdom.

and each of us, since we have freedom, may choose God as much as we want and NO ONE should hinder ANYONE from wanting to be with God nor from doing what good they can ( for God delights when someone does good from the pure area of their hearts who is Christ in them, the spark and hope of glory) . the world does not care about God, does not believe they need God or does not believe that God is real or does not believe that God is near them but is someone far far away.

mysticism and intense spiritual people such as the true saints and the prophets are reality and participate in true reality. the true world is the world that the deeply spiritual and the prophets and the mystics and that Jesus Christ lives in. and everyone dwells in this beautiful and eternal world as much as they desire to and they live in the pig pen as much as they want to.

the holy ones still experience suffering in this fallen world and that is partly because of fallen people. but even the holy ones sufferings pushes them to be closer to God. and all of us who seek after God are tempted by the devil because the devil hates it when people don't want to be obedient slaves to the fallen world. but the holy ones rejoice to God because God has counted them worthy to bare hard burdens. Jesus Christ mocked the evil spirits of the earth and the air and in Christ so too shall we be more than conquerors of the old world and of the old heaven.

a Christianity that offers peace and safety is a Christianity of the world. a Christianity that does not say that you must seek for God, that you must be disciplined and prepare yourself for God, that you must take up your cross, that you must lay down your soul.... is a Christianity that quenches the spirit. we have to get rid of as much burden of "that old serpent" and old world and of old self as possible.

the burden is so hard and impossible for the old man. only the new man who has God with him shall have the light burden, shall have a light and momentary affliction. there is weeping and gnashing of teeth for those who do not want to enter into the new jerusalem. God is calling all of us to stop being lukewarm and to stop being hypocrites and to stop making the same old mistakes you/me always make. may we all be pleasing to God in whatever way he desires to lead us and to teach us. may each of us be truly beautiful for God and be a light for anyone who needs it. only God can fulfill us. only God can set us free... but he won't do it if we don't want to.

Romans 12:16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble.

people don't love God.

they love their god called family.
they love their god called sex.
they love their god called music.

sin is real and people don't even care.

people try to tell me to be a simpleton when all I ever wanted was God. they want to chain me down with a huge burden and tell me to go and find a wife so i can get a divorce in 6 years after we have had 2 children and I have to then work 3 jobs for the next 40 years because of child support and alimony and then I commit suicide because I never looked for God enough.

so many people want to play the victim but really the only victim is the person who does not think it is worth seeking after God with all he is.

a man tied a rope to his neck and tied it to a fire hydrant and then drove off in his car and thus he decapitated himself. how angry did he have to be to do this? how much lack of hope did he have to have in order to end his life.... not thinking it was worth living in the world he knew and in the mysteries of God he did not know.

I wish everyone was simple but they are not and if the world does not get answer then they will keep on being the world. but Christians don't have answers and that is why some people don't take God seriously.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! NO ONE, NO ONE. should EVER, EVER. practice or get involved with mysticism if they are not 100% desiring God. because whoever does but does not have their heart set fully on God, the devil is going to take you and he is going to make you into such an enemy of God.

the Christians with their very primitive and simplistic belief systems, even though they themselves fuel the deaths of those men who fall away from God due to them seeking higher answers and not getting good enough answers and clinging to God with all they are... are still better off than those who have thought themselves to be involved in the mysteries of God and yet decided to mix the sickness of the evils of the world with the gifts that only the pure of heart can handle or deserve. it is a sad thing when a good angel helps a man out so much only to be slapped in the face, it could hurt the angel, who is to truly knows? angels can fall sometimes...

i hope God can drag those poor men out of their pits quickly but I don't see how they will ever be healed because they are SO prideful in their knowledge and understanding and they can not understand just how much they oppose God with the good that they try to do by warning all religious simpletons with their fancy "logical" and "correct" arguments that only work for those who think mankind is smarter than God and who do not truly believe in God so much as they believe men are right when they tell all the different things they found out about biology, about the universe, about the psyches of men... and they only knew the good things in those things because God had blessed them and yet day after day they reject God because they do not seek God with all that they are.

any christian or seeker of truth or of God should NEVER involve themselves with a false and shallow esoteric mysticism or false theosophy mixed with the common worldly belief systems of the status quo of the world of which most humans, including Christians are trapped in chains by various evil spirits. because so-called logical knowledge and scientific proofs based on the basic assumptions of what the world is and how it is and what man is and what his purpose is is not at all based in the love for God or for people but rather is is based in the devils heart and a numbness of love in the world.

and so it is very very important that we cling to God with all we are in this time when more than ever the antichrist spirit is persecuting all those who would dare seek the depths of mystery that are the treasures in heaven that God gives to us in order to preserve ourselves while we dwell in this foreign place called the 'old world'.

so it is very important that little children do not fight in wars and remain simple and grow up on the strength of the church that is in spirit and in truth and in the spirit of the trinity and of true 'sobernost'. and so the little children, to be persevered, since they do not have the strength to stand on their own two feet to walk with God in conversation in heaven in the dark cloud in the daylight of the evil world. the "daylight" which is truly darkness since it is only the light of the world. and the dark cloud is truly the light just as the worlds night is when God appears as a cloud of fire for his people. for the wisdom of man is foolishness to God and the weakness of Gods is far greater than the strength of mens knowledge.

most of all we should all desire nothing that comes from the very reality we believe to be real but to rather turn to God and discover, by Gods grace, the true reality of living in the spirit who will even work with our souls and feelings and opinions as long as you want the good even if you are not perfect at all times but he will end up "chastising" those who do not do perfectly while the little brothers help the seeming greater ones heart to fully heal just as the so-called older brother wants all his other brothers to be healed.

and so in general you can see I can become distressed at a lot of things and only God or people with God or people seeking spiritual things give me relief.

Thank God that He fills us with His peace, and that He is not the Author of confusion, amen brother?

there is a peace that comes from the devil and there is a confusion that comes from God. I am playing the game of devils advocate today. because God also has opposed people to their faces when he felt the need.

so let me blindly follow the words and the doings of the bible and construct a false idol out of the gold that was meant to be for Gods holy temple and let me make a calf with it so that people can bow their knee to demons rather than to God. <--- or not

there is no such thing as deeper fellowship.
there is no cure for this disease of mine.

life is so worthless and boring. so pointless. only insane people desire to live to be old. I want to eat the numbness. I want to feel deeply depressed. I want to feel pain inside of my soul more than I have ever felt, but I don't want people outside of me to suffer.

i don't want anything to do with the devil. i just want God to break me, because it's obvious that i am not broken enough. I wish I could feel divine sorrow because there is nothing worse than being this old me.

nothing will ever be good enough. there is no final realization.

there is never a true and real connection. there is no such thing as joy in this world. nothing is ever good enough and praying to God should not be a pleasure and yet when we do not enjoy it we don't do it because we are so foolish and have blind hearts because it's hard to love God when you're dead.

it's better for a person like me to not pray to God but it is unbearable to have to exist moment after moment.

I don't see much of anything now. but I would rather be this than to be halfway. I wish I could stop eating food for 5 days but I can't because I have to work a physically demanding job.

why do they tell me I have to treat God like a king? I thought he loved me? i'm not looking for people to pat me on my back. why don't you all seek after God with all you are? see, i'm the devil apparently. everything is madness, how does anyone even have any hope at all?

I only wanted to love you people but I don't know how to love any of you.

i agree that love = sanity.

Noxot said:

there is no such thing as deeper fellowship.
there is no cure for this disease of mine.

life is so worthless and boring. so pointless. only insane people desire to live to be old. I want to eat the numbness. I want to feel deeply depressed. I want to feel pain inside of my soul more than I have ever felt, but I don't want people outside of me to suffer.

i don't want anything to do with the devil. i just want God to break me, because it's obvious that i am not broken enough. I wish I could feel divine sorrow because there is nothing worse than being this old me.

nothing will ever be good enough. there is no final realization.

there is never a true and real connection. there is no such thing as joy in this world. nothing is ever good enough and praying to God should not be a pleasure and yet when we do not enjoy it we don't do it because we are so foolish and have blind hearts because it's hard to love God when you're dead.

it's better for a person like me to not pray to God but it is unbearable to have to exist moment after moment.

I don't see much of anything now. but I would rather be this than to be halfway. I wish I could stop eating food for 5 days but I can't because I have to work a physically demanding job.

why do they tell me I have to treat God like a king? I thought he loved me? i'm not looking for people to pat me on my back. why don't you all seek after God with all you are? see, i'm the devil apparently. everything is madness, how does anyone even have any hope at all?

I only wanted to love you people but I don't know how to love any of you.

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I dont think you are the devil. I think me and you seem to share many of the same battles. The things you say and your aggravation are all very familiar to me, i live with those things myself, and perhaps that is why i try to keep things simple, because im trying to find the way off peace. Im not there yet, but i hope we both find it. As Paul said, "not as though im already perfect, but i follow after".

Maybe this is deeper fellowship, and maybe its not perfect, but instead is sharing our imperfections and trying to love each other, and pray for each other. Maybe that is deeper fellowship

x141 said:

I agree ... knowledge most certainly does not save us, not even in the least bit, but without knowledge we don't know we are, which is relative to soul as the increase of his kingdom (which out of his good pleasure he has appointed us) in the form of a perception whose increase has no end, and which the lack of causes God's people to perish, or as Paul said, to become weak and sickly having no discernment.

In relationship to the soul ... hell is to be captive, heaven is taking this captivity captive.

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unfortunately or not "in the form of a perception whose increase has no end" could very easily turn out to be more or less satanic, because the devil enticed the first humans, eve and adam, exactly in such a way, viz. by offering them to become people with clairvoyance, super consciousness and spiritual power at system level through occultism/esoterism, moreover the word "knowledge" almost can't be found in the biblical books of the New Testament, especially as something holy, because it is not about knowledge in the faith, but it is about righteousness, and the righteousness is just the perfection of the love

Blessings

Restoresmysoul said:

Reminds me of this scripture.

2 Corinthians 6:17 Therefore

“Come out from among them
And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.”[a]

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yes, the occultism, esoterism, idolatry, and the spiritual iniquity in general is the original sin, the very sin, and even the only, for that reason it was said most acutely:

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 "There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son(i.e. that makes a male) or his daughter(i.e. or a female) to pass through the fire(i.e. through occultism/occult power/occult activity), or that useth divination(i.e. clairvoyance/second sight), or an observer of times(i.e. or an occult metaphysician/astrologer/traveler in the occult), or an enchanter(i.e. or a false-prophesying), or a witch(i.e. or an occultist/witchcraft-practising). Or a charmer(i.e. or an exercising spiritual fascination), or a consulter with familiar spirits(i.e. or an interacting by/interrogator of unclean/foul spirits), or a wizard(i.e. or an esotericist), or a necromancer(i.e. or a spiritually interacting/intercommunicating with dead). For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee."

because each misbelief is an abomination in the faith

Deuteronomy 20:4-6 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image(i.e. any spiritual wisdom/prophecy, viz. that is not of God), or any likeness(i.e. or any spiritual activity/tradition, viz. that is not of God) of(i.e. either with/in reference to) any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:..."

Blessings