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Correct Nora in both posts . That has been the case since Adam. The #rs will never mass for those that hear but as you put it (Like Morpheus in the Matrix) here is the door will we walk through it?
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Hi Knockout,
Maybe you could explain a bit more your idea with regard to a [commodity based system being the solution to the world's problems? The Bible says greed is the root cause of the problems of the world. (I Timothy 6:10) The solution it presents is for us to work for love, and trust in God to provide our needs instead of working for money. (Matthew 6:25-34) It's a solution not many people are willing to receive, but it's one which would solve the problems of the world if people put it into practice.
How do you see your solution working in the modern world? Thanks.
Maybe you could explain a bit more your idea with regard to a [commodity based system being the solution to the world's problems? The Bible says greed is the root cause of the problems of the world. (I Timothy 6:10) The solution it presents is for us to work for love, and trust in God to provide our needs instead of working for money. (Matthew 6:25-34) It's a solution not many people are willing to receive, but it's one which would solve the problems of the world if people put it into practice.
How do you see your solution working in the modern world? Thanks.
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GGToday Quote..."Love God with all we have, and our neighbors as ourselves. Of course, lately especially, I've been remembering that one cannot love another: neighbor or enemy, say, any 'more' than one loves God or self, so that logically leads me to ask about what kind of supernatural Regeneration has 'really' taken place in someone who professes to be a Christian and yet hates and justifies hatred of homosexuals, women who get abortions or any other sinners to whom they are to be living examples of Regenerated Sinners and instruments for God's Glory..."
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((That says more than you know, (in red), on an individuals core make-up. Perception is key . One must teach the flesh what the spirit knows, LOVE. ))
Teaching ones self Love is transformation in Romans 12:2 (In Part). For the Guys point of view love is weakness absolute. Ex: A group of guys go out to church and are stopped along the way by a little man and he verbally and physically demeans one of the guys. Someone is going to kick the guys but for such actions unprovoked. Why? Because we are taught to fight first then love .
What Jesus Did...Matt 26:53. Spared us . Why? 1 john 4:16 is why. Is He weak then? Thoughts?
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((That says more than you know, (in red), on an individuals core make-up. Perception is key . One must teach the flesh what the spirit knows, LOVE. ))
Teaching ones self Love is transformation in Romans 12:2 (In Part). For the Guys point of view love is weakness absolute. Ex: A group of guys go out to church and are stopped along the way by a little man and he verbally and physically demeans one of the guys. Someone is going to kick the guys but for such actions unprovoked. Why? Because we are taught to fight first then love .
What Jesus Did...Matt 26:53. Spared us . Why? 1 john 4:16 is why. Is He weak then? Thoughts?
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The banks do not want to see world problems solved. Many believe that powerful people have created these problems and with held vaccines and cures to disease on top of economic help that would help certain nations progress.
They say to donate money to these countries but that locks us into banking systems. The church has to become its own banking system that trades strictly on commodity - any link to moneys makes the institution illegal and taxable. A system that takes and gives freely but works around the banks and currency.
Warehouses full of food and supply with logistics to the East and West coast totally dedicated to overhauling a single country at once, an invasion of sorts.
Without a system like this we are screwed here, since the dollar will collapse before long anyways... only God can really pull the people together and make them of one mind to do it
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Knockout,First let me say sorry in not responding to your idea that is good in intension. As a matter of fact that is something that if we survive ourselves and when the dollar snaps and we go to war over our own wrong doing mayhap your system can be implemented. However , a foundation shaking in our way of living will be required
for we are a seeing is believing nation and if we can keep the masses in T.V's and recliners and a toddy then why change it when creature comforts are supplied. But , that is an excellent idea Knockout!!!! Koodoes to you
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It would not be the first time this was tried, initially the Republic of the US was not tied to currency as much and was more tied to trade. When we switched to fiat currency the wars started - 1812 was a war over not allowing a foreign central bank to take over.
The civil war was a bank war, where the banks wanted to split the USA in 2. In 1914 the same year they finally installed the fed, the first world war broke out.
If you get angry enough at world problems that just won't be solved, you realize the church has to become a kind of bank of its own, but one that gives freely in mass amounts.
I think it was Kenneth Hagin who used to send cargo ships to different places of the world full of goods. To move that kind of commodity requires a different system and mind set but is possbile.
The civil war was a bank war, where the banks wanted to split the USA in 2. In 1914 the same year they finally installed the fed, the first world war broke out.
If you get angry enough at world problems that just won't be solved, you realize the church has to become a kind of bank of its own, but one that gives freely in mass amounts.
I think it was Kenneth Hagin who used to send cargo ships to different places of the world full of goods. To move that kind of commodity requires a different system and mind set but is possbile.
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Thanks for the further explanation, Knockout. I agree that the banks are not out to solve the world's problems. They are out purely to make money.
No doubt powerful individuals (and nations) throughout history have played a role in creating the problem. As you say, vaccines and cures are withheld from those in need for profit motives. It's greed - but it's a problem not limited just to the rich.
You say the church needs to become its own banking system. It's a unique idea, though I wonder: do you have any scriptural support for such an idea? I can't quite see anything along those lines suggested from the teachings of Jesus or the Bible. (I do like the concept of freely giving and receiving, however.)
Another idea I would question is that of stocking warehouses full of food and supply. I know Jesus taught for us not to worry about where our food and clothing would come from, but rather to trust Him for those things. I can appreciate the motivation, though don't you think a "stock and store" approach runs a bit counter to the lifestyle of faith promoted by Jesus?
I can say I agree with your prediction that the dollar will soon collapse. Really, the replacement I foresee coming as the primary world currency is much, much worse. (Revelation 13:16-18) We need to warn people everywhere to avoid it.
No doubt powerful individuals (and nations) throughout history have played a role in creating the problem. As you say, vaccines and cures are withheld from those in need for profit motives. It's greed - but it's a problem not limited just to the rich.
You say the church needs to become its own banking system. It's a unique idea, though I wonder: do you have any scriptural support for such an idea? I can't quite see anything along those lines suggested from the teachings of Jesus or the Bible. (I do like the concept of freely giving and receiving, however.)
Another idea I would question is that of stocking warehouses full of food and supply. I know Jesus taught for us not to worry about where our food and clothing would come from, but rather to trust Him for those things. I can appreciate the motivation, though don't you think a "stock and store" approach runs a bit counter to the lifestyle of faith promoted by Jesus?
I can say I agree with your prediction that the dollar will soon collapse. Really, the replacement I foresee coming as the primary world currency is much, much worse. (Revelation 13:16-18) We need to warn people everywhere to avoid it.
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Sorry you're right I keep getting the two mixed up. It was Lester Summerall that did it
I just wish we could sit down with a piece of paper and calculator with the tools given to us in this book and figure out what it would take once and for all to clean up a country in the world somewhere and be done with it, leaving an occupying crew of missionaries to guide like Paul did in many churches.
Why do we put up with AIDS epidemics and national starvation? These things are crimes.
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And to get to this place spoken of in the bible, you must deal with wolves such as Norah here whos mission is to confuse and impede the church from where God would have it go.
Knowledge is one of the most effective tools in these situations.
Knowledge is one of the most effective tools in these situations.
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Correct Michael, *Michael= M
As stated in OP we as a people make corruption a good thing by letting the corrupt steal millions with no consequences of takings an old persons pension for their selves along with other nefarious ways of gain. Change in this country is sliding into the pit and yes; it can not be changed by the people for we are of the flesh first thus making this post moot in some ways. Furthermore, we are too invested now in listening to politicians lie to us and we take it as truth. I do not follow your countries policies M but must assume that we are both under democracy based Gov in that we are allowed by national security to conversate . With that said , we are in the same boat in policies with trivial variances here and there. With this thread , it is intended to make "known" the corruption in us as a people with no real "change" expected as you so put it above
. Your country is old by comparison to ours in the US. We are going to trip and fall and here is the problem with that... We are a "super power" and we have no one out there but God to steady us when we trip and fall. When we trip , "the weaker" , feel it over there . We as a nation are kept in our lounge chairs eating popcorn and told it is alright and we except that as Truth and shell out more taxes to keep it so. We are too complacent and lazy now and we revel in it (Me Too). One of the biggest concerns for me is the "children" as I sit here in my ineptitude to change the coming destruction and foundation shaking promised by God as you stated above. Yes M, in our arrogance we believe we are the center of the universe (US) and every one else will fall in line in policy or else. Policy is Money, and not how we get there as in Gov stance in communist or democracy. Money is a separate "religion" set apart from our definition of religion by the deceiver and/or us <--John 8:44. We the believers are loosing the fight for good to Money in our investment of it. Why college? "Mostly" to make $$. 22 years of how to make $ better than your neighbor is in itself a ,Religion... and God is loosing today for a much needed lesson for us tomorrow in pain and gnashing.
Prepare the sheep out there CF... The day is at hand when we must justify why we seek a dollar more than Jesus.
For me, M, I can not presume to know the thoughts of God in things of the Spirit because I am of the flesh and do not possess the necessary material to deal with Spirit except in His Will, under His guidance and in His time frame. That is our folly in pride for all humankind that "we" have power in Spirit in ourselves.. At times we are given a glimpse by "His Will" and in His Will should we respond. This mount olive perspective gives the feeling that we expect God to come to our door and set up camp ? We are very arrogant over here and that may be true to some believers out there and your "thoughts" are welcome here in any aspect of this thread my brother
. Personal follies are known to myself on a constant basis through the Word and at times through individuals such as yourself M in various posts in the forum. However, without you, as I peck out this reply and at times stop and pray over ways to respond; a valuable lesson is being taught to this individual (through His Will) as we talk of matters that we can not change, and that is part of the "WHY" behind such posts. Another part is that someone with considerable amount of power may read this thread and come away with a positive change and has the ability to implement change in a little way. How we get to Christ is always different on an individual basis but as long as we get there correct? Thanks for the reply M
. I found it informative on levels to improve self and hopefully others in shining light in dark places.
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Might I remind you a "disdain" of sin in general is not necessarily a "Bad" thing, God himself "disdains/detests/hates" sin... but in disdaining this, we must also realize to disdain it within our own selves, first, before we ever (gently) try to correct another (one another) on it.
God Bless!
God Bless!
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Neo,Long time no hear
sis . Your "thought" is read and received and thanks are given where the author oversteps and does not claim to be a sinner too. I at times get invested in a post and loose sight that I talk of me too.
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Long time no hear
Yeah, I've been busy lately (and it "Bro" not sis, by the way) but that's OK, good to hear from you and see your still on here too, well have a great day,
God Bless!
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I looked at the scriptures but don't understand the question, perhaps you could formulate one or be more specific?
Anyways, God Bless!
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ROM 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
In the US we are conformed in what is "taught" to us as children. To be transformed is to loose all aspect of what was taught to us and make God your teacher, father, mother, lover ; whatever term deems necessary to invest Self-Totally to Gods will through the Word, prayer, perceptions and deeds. Transformation is the Spirit of Love. What is God?? 1 John 4:8 and 4:16.
I asked : How do we implement Romans 12:2 into seeing in ourselves psalms 10:4-7 ?
Lets further that and just say Psalms 10. For all of us, communication and customs are things taught among a lot of other aspects. In the US it is a custom to gossip/back bite/talk of others <--- This is only "one of many" example of conformity of/to Sin that we think is alright because Everybody does it and thus in some venues it is a "Taught Behavior".
It is a maturity question Neo that just comes at His Will. Through Him this vessel see's Self as Psalms 10. Yet," May I, God", Be transformed from Psalms 10 in His acceptability and/or Will. For this vessel, Psalms 10 refers to "Sin" and can be expanded on in time, customs and perceptions of todays sin through comprehension of a mystery that was given through Him...
Thoughts?
In the US we are conformed in what is "taught" to us as children. To be transformed is to loose all aspect of what was taught to us and make God your teacher, father, mother, lover ; whatever term deems necessary to invest Self-Totally to Gods will through the Word, prayer, perceptions and deeds. Transformation is the Spirit of Love. What is God?? 1 John 4:8 and 4:16.
I asked : How do we implement Romans 12:2 into seeing in ourselves psalms 10:4-7 ?
Lets further that and just say Psalms 10. For all of us, communication and customs are things taught among a lot of other aspects. In the US it is a custom to gossip/back bite/talk of others <--- This is only "one of many" example of conformity of/to Sin that we think is alright because Everybody does it and thus in some venues it is a "Taught Behavior".
It is a maturity question Neo that just comes at His Will. Through Him this vessel see's Self as Psalms 10. Yet," May I, God", Be transformed from Psalms 10 in His acceptability and/or Will. For this vessel, Psalms 10 refers to "Sin" and can be expanded on in time, customs and perceptions of todays sin through comprehension of a mystery that was given through Him...
Thoughts?
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