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Thoughts On House Meetings

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That which is called House Meetings in recent times is not a new thing, though some Christians have now started practicing that as the proper place to meet. They are mostly concerned about the form and comfort of gathering than the truth of gathering, and are often found developing a new sect of free-flowing religious ideas, fun times, etc., rather than the teachings of Bible truth in the Word of God.

The reference to Cell Groups meeting in homes, is different and speaks of small gatherings in homes to discuss what is preached and held in their "mother church ---which the members are joined to. They take their direction from the larger organized sect.

In the beginning the church met in homes (even an "upper room" – Luke 22), and later other buildings as assemblies grew larger. Many assemblies from over a century ago have met in homes (often called Cottage Meetings). Since the revival by God, and return to church truth in the early 1800's apart from religious sects and denominations, those gatherings seeking a scriptural order and God’s intention for the church often meet in homes, until growing large enough to need to rent or own a building for it.

The important thing about such a universal gathering in that fellowship from 1827 AD, at least, is that it must be fully scriptural, without innovations, a name, religious ceremonies, traditions, programs, carnal reasoning and activities, a one-man ministry and hierarchies, etc. It believes in the priesthood of all believers and waiting upon the Holy Spirit, and avoids names and titles and man’s ideas. The form of meetings is not alone the truth of gathering, and the scriptural fellowship is expected to express the truth of "one body in Christ" worldwide for "unity of the faith", and always in accord with the Word of God. This is not saying they are the "one body", but they continue to express that as shown by God.

The gathered saints thus study the Word of God together and value esteemed Commentaries and the help of Bible scholars down through history; and read verses of praise, sing to the Lord, and partake of the Lord’s Supper together; beside holding Gospel meetings for the public at times, and appreciating a godly fellowship together ---locally and worldwide. It sees Church Truth as in Acts 2:41-42 and the Epistles.

This is getting back to basics and holding what God set forth for His church testimony in the world, I believe, for universal unity. Such a fellowship was recovered in 1827 AD with a gathering to return to the testimony from the beginning. It still exists worldwide if one is interested.
– R. DeWitt, 2011: from biblecounsel.net
 

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I don't know, but by circa 1800 AD there was general movement toward getting back to the Bible from the sectarian spirit, of those religious groups following after the rituals they learned from the RC religion for about a thousand years (500 AD to circa 1500). One can see history and ministry on this at Bible Truth Publishers, Addison, IL.

Out of this revival some brothers in Christ who were serious Bible teachers were moved to come together in the scriptural way, and God blessed it greatly to spread worldwide. It began in Ireland and soon in England, and began spreading into Europe and overseas to USA and Canada. Now it is in many countries, provinces, and states.

God preserves His testimony, I see, and am glad to personally have been led to find this fellowship which hold to Bible-only, and not the innovations and reasoning of men. See what you think of it, and there might be such an assembly near to you.
 
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IMO is goes back earlier than that. In America John Wesley ran home groups as part of his Methodist movement, and the Puritans used to hold small mid-week meetings in people's homes. On the Continent both Martin Luther and Ulrich Zwingli encouraged people to meet together in small groups in homes. The early Anabaptists met in homes, and most of their modern offshoots still do.

As I understand the Holy Spirit, He is consistent, and he leads His people in a consistent way. That's why we see small groups, home churches, cell groups, whatever you choose to name is, used by Him over and over throughout church history.

Many people reject the great creeds, catechisms and confessions of the church as "uninspired" and "the works of men." While both are true, I find them to be a blessing because, when you read them, you get to see that they are all totally in agreement. You can trace the historic christian faith back through the centuries and see that we are one large Body. Yes, with many members, and some VASTLY different from others, but there is tremendous unity in it when you open your eyes and decide to look.
 
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Yes, there are many sects that faithfully preach the Gospel and seek worship of God, and we can be thankful for all. The only thought in this paper is that Church Truth showing forth "unity of the Faith" as God intended by the order of His Word, is pleasing and honoring to God. Some of us want to be on that ground as expressing "the one body of Christ" worldwide rather than independency and sectarianism (going contrary to God's order). Look up always!
 
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The fact that "sects" exist shows any thinking person that the situation isn't good.

God's people are stuck, willingly or unwillingly, in man made systems.

This is exactly what Corinthians talks about "some of Paul, some of Apollos" etc.
Albeit not at the same level because at least back then 1 gospel was being preached by Paul & Apollos, the "sectish" Corinthian church who hopefully dropped their sectarian views, being respecters of people and externalities.

Stefos
 
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Hi ConfuseddotCom,

First, Whom are you referring to?

Second, Why are you confused? :)

Pick up a copy of "Pagan Christianity?" by Frank Viola & George Barna and the confusion will go away!

Most importantly, Why not ask God to show you what's up? Right?

I mean if God IS God and you are sincere, Won't he show you?

No Fear!!!!!

Thanks,
Stefos
 
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It's his continued plug for the Plymouth Brethren!

Hi ConfuseddotCom,

First, Whom are you referring to?

Second, Why are you confused? :)

Pick up a copy of "Pagan Christianity?" by Frank Viola & George Barna and the confusion will go away!

Most importantly, Why not ask God to show you what's up? Right?

I mean if God IS God and you are sincere, Won't he show you?

No Fear!!!!!

Thanks,
Stefos

He's referring to 1watchman. 1watchman often promotes views presented by the Plymouth Brethren.

Which is a Sect, and therefor wrong.
 
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He's referring to 1watchman. 1watchman often promotes views presented by the Plymouth Brethren.

Which is a Sect, and therefor wrong.

Hi Phy,

Calvary Chapel is a sect too and therefore wrong.

Know what I'm sayin?

Homogeneity in doctrine is what was going on in the 1st century.

Stefos
 
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A scriptural assembly (Bible-only) cannot rightly be called "a sect" as you like to claim, phydaux; for if it is true to the Word of God then it is biblical. Instead of earnestly searching this out, you seem to like to stand at a distance and throw stones. God knows who is honestly seeking to bow to His Word, and who likes the various sects to please oneself. There is often a great cry in christendom when one speaks on line about a Bible church fellowship, and it is certainly manifest what is in the heart of many professing Christians.

I only set forth such a testimony on Bible-only for God's pathway as He would have all faithful saints to hold ---something I have learned in much study over 60 years walking with my Lord; so if others don't like to hear that I can only commend them to God, and leave them to their religious ideas. I am not arguing with anyone, but just trying to be a help to the few sincere seekers in christendom who really want to learn, and to embrace real Christianity --though it is not much appreciated by so many carnal ones.

I realize that most people like their religious innovations, and I am afraid they will suffer loss at the "judgment seat of Christ" in Heaven if they continue that course. Look up always!
 
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Plymouth Brethren is the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father expect through the Plymouth Brethren.
I am not presently associated with the Plymouth Brethren or the Brethren assemblies. However, in all fairness the Plymouth Brethren initially sought to return to New Testament principles and practices. And they produced many fine Bible teachers along with the Open Brethren.

However, once again, Satan ensured that the unity of the spirit would be destroyed, and rifts appeared amongst these brethren. J. N. Darby went beyond his proper position in these assemblies and tried to become the sole voice of the Brethren. He also translated his own English translation from corrupt Greek texts, and failed to hear what Burgon and Scrivener had to say about Westcott & Hort. George Mueller could not accept Darby's positions on certain things, and separated from the Plymouth Brethren.

Today, any group of regenerated Christians who will make the New Testament their sole authority for church practice and worship will be doing what the Brethren tried to do. They can have a true "New Testament" assemby where the Word of God and the Holy Spirit are in full control.

There were many churches throughout the world which tried to maintain this purity of doctrine and practice from apostolic times, and long before the 19th century (apart from the RCC, EOC, or OOC). The Waldensians are a good example. Baptists were originally Waldensians, but also allowed man-made doctrines and practices to creep into their churches. Most Baptist churches today are not true New Testament assemblies.

Also, it should be evident that the "sign" gifts (as well as a few others) in the apostolic churches are no longer operative, therefore today we have counterfeit tongues, counterfeit prophets and counterfeit apostles. Christians need to understand why certain gifts would cease as revealed in Scripture. But there are plenty of other spiritual gifts that need to be not only recognized, but also put to use. Few churches or assemblies even talk about this important aspect of church life, and neglect the gifts and the gifted.
 
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Also, it should be evident that the "sign" gifts (as well as a few others) in the apostolic churches are no longer operative, therefore today we have counterfeit tongues, counterfeit prophets and counterfeit apostles. Christians need to understand why certain gifts would cease as revealed in Scripture.

Job8,

Though God's word DOES mention tongues as a "sign to unbelievers," Prophecy is for believers.

Are there counterfeits?
Yes, counterfeit Pastors, Evangelists and Teachers too!
You forgot to lump them in....

Nevertheless, the cessationist viewpoint you hold is NOT scripturally supported. The cessationist viewpoint is a very, very, weak viewpoint held by believers who've never experience the actual & proper use of tongues & prophecy, discernment of spirits, word of knowledge, word of wisdom.

Be careful.....don't base your theological stance on scant scriptural "evidences."

Stefos
 
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Hi Phy,

Calvary Chapel is a sect too and therefore wrong.

Know what I'm sayin?

Homogeneity in doctrine is what was going on in the 1st century.

Stefos

I'm quite comfortable having brothers tell me how wrong I am. Seems everywhere I go there's some brother or another who is more correct or more sanctified than I am, and very willing to let me know all about it.

Heterodox =/= Heradox

In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, Agape.

We're going to be spending eternity together in heaven with these people who stubbornly refuse to see thing our way. We may as well learn to live together with them now.
 
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Job8,

Though God's word DOES mention tongues as a "sign to unbelievers," Prophecy is for believers.

Are there counterfeits?
Yes, counterfeit Pastors, Evangelists and Teachers too!
You forgot to lump them in....

Nevertheless, the cessationist viewpoint you hold is NOT scripturally supported. The cessationist viewpoint is a very, very, weak viewpoint held by believers who've never experience the actual & proper use of tongues & prophecy, discernment of spirits, word of knowledge, word of wisdom.

Be careful.....don't base your theological stance on scant scriptural "evidences."

Stefos


Wow. How did this become a tongues thread? Talk about taking a sudden left turn...

Stef has made other threads (I THINK it was Stef, it may have been someone else) about the "American Church." The state of the mainline Pentecostal denominations in america today is a good example of taking a bad idea and letting it run to it's natural and absurd conclusion.

John Wesley and Charles Finney opened the door to interpreting scripture in light of your personal experiences, rather than interpreting your experiences in light of what scripture says. Never a good idea, but what harm can it really cause? So what if people start to believe they can lose their salvation, even though the very idea tramples on Christ's shed blood, the notion of grace, and what the Word of God actually says? It will keep people on their toes, and responsible for their own sanctification, despite the fact that it's the Holy Spirit's job, not ours, and without Him we can do nothing.

Fast Forward a few decades and you have the Azusa Street Revival, and people went nuts exercising their new-found spiritual gifts in the assembly. "See what I'm doing and how I'm doing it? This is what the book of Acts means..." Meanwhile they're totally ignoring the book of First Corinthians.

The Four Square denomination was one of those main line Pentecostal denominations. Chuck Smith was ordained Four Square, but ended up leaving to start Calvary Chapel. And one of his stated reasons for leaving was because they ignored what scripture actually, clearly, said regarding the practice of spiritual gifts in the general assembly, in favor of their own traditions and experiential "learning."

In fact, I am unaware of any group that teaches the biblical operation of the spiritual gifts. They all either deny that the Charisma gifts are in operation today at all, or they are total "Charismaniacs" (as Pastor Chuck used to say, RIP brother, we all miss you down here).

So you see, Stef? There's still hope for us poor, denominational sods. If one generation can shed some trappings of man-made tradition in one area, why, in a few more generations we'll shed a few more and soon we'll all be right in line.

If the Lord tarries. Which I totally hope he doesn't. :)
 
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It has begun to happen, as with most threads ---the subject degenerates into something unrelated; so, I will refer all readers to the original post, and if one cannot appreciate that good message, then I commend them to God and say: "go in peace". One may write me at my pm if they wish to discuss it further.

I shared something I believe God wanted me to share, for the good of those who have not understood what our Lord intended in His Word, and I never intended to attack anyone, but perhaps to expose fallacies on the intent of God. So, God bless us, everyone, and have a good new year!
 
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It has begun to happen, as with most threads ---the subject degenerates into something unrelated;

1watchman,

Why would you make such a comment as that shown above? You stated: "There is often a great cry in christendom when one speaks on line about a Bible church fellowship, and it is certainly manifest what is in the heart of many professing Christians."

We are all trying to discuss a "Bible church fellowship" and come to some consensus as to what it would be today. That also means that we honestly face the mistakes and the misinterpretation of Scripture by those who should know better.

Therefore a healthy dialogue and debate is a part of the process. One brother says tongues are for today, and others disagree. We can establish our positions from Scripture as well as church history. There's no need to walk away from such discussion. What do you have to say about modern tongues?
 
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So what if people start to believe they can lose their salvation, even though the very idea tramples on Christ's shed blood, the notion of grace, and what the Word of God actually says?

Well, phydaux, if you think about it for a moment, that is a false Gospel -- it is "another gospel" according to Gal 1:6-9. So one cannot dismiss this and say "So what?" We either preach the true Gospel or we expose the false gospels (and there are several more).

John 3:16 makes it crystal clear that the gift of eternal life is (a) eternal, (b) the life of God Himself, (c) the GIFT of God, (d) the gift of His Son, (e) to be received by faith, and (f) purely because of God's grace, mercy and love. Anything which detracts from these truths (which are from God) is a false gospel.

I agree with your position on charismatism. And the other side of the coin is that non-Charismatic churches do not systematically encourage all the other gifts which should be in operation.
 
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