Those who denounce Paul

[Hentenza]

Excuse me?

I try to do what's right...<snip>

You can't try. You either do or you don't. You have already failed by trying. Are you ready to be judged by the WHOLE law?

Oh wait, you only TRY to follow that parts that you believe apply to you and then with no measure of efficacy.

BTW- no, you are not excused.

 

[ananda]

What covenant are you obligated to as a Christian?

The same covenant preached by Messiah.

 

[ananda]

You can't try. You either do or you don't. You have already failed by trying. Are you ready to be judged by the WHOLE law?

Oh wait, you only TRY to follow that parts that you believe apply to you and then with no measure of efficacy.

BTW- no, you are not excused.

I disagree with your interpretation, and thus your conclusions.

 

[ananda]

Do you sin? If so then you don't have liberty from sin.

Liberty to do righteousness, not liberty from sin.

 

[Hentenza]

Paul said "I am a Pharisee". Either he told the truth, or he lied, or he was acting (which is also a form of deception).

No comment.

So saith Pharisee Paul.

I can't help it if you continue to refuse Paul's own explanation for his statement in Acts. I can see how this understanding would wreck your whole non-Pauline unbiblical belief since Paul does not contradict any other NT writer as all of them are led by the Spirit in their writing of God's revelation.

 

[Hentenza]

I disagree with your interpretation, and thus your conclusions.

It matters not to me. The vast majority of Christians disagree with yours.

 

[Hentenza]

Liberty to do righteousness, not liberty from sin.

And yet you sin.

 

[Hentenza]

The same covenant preached by Messiah.

Nope.

Heb. 8
13 [i]When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is [j]ready to disappear.

 

[ananda]

I can't help it if you continue to refuse Paul's own explanation for his statement in Acts. I can see how this understanding would wreck your whole non-Pauline unbiblical belief since Paul does not contradict any other NT writer as all of them are led by the Spirit in their writing of God's revelation.

I am not allowed to comment on this.

 

[ananda]

It matters not to me. The vast majority of Christians disagree with yours.

We've had this discussion before. Is the majority always right (cf Mt 7:14)?

 

[Hentenza]

We've had this discussion before. Is the majority always right (cf Mt 7:14)?

Well, no, but we know that you are wrong.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

So do you, the non-Pauling Messianic, throw out Luke's gospel as well? Or do you consider Luke to be inspired but Acts to be non-inspired? Seems a wee picky and choosey.

 

[ananda]

And yet you sin.

The question is this:

Should we try our best to do what YHWH defined is "right"?

Or (as you're teaching), should we avoid what YHWH commanded because we can't do it perfectly at all?

Do you worship YHWH to the best of your ability? Do you worship Him alone? Do you refrain from committing adultery, from stealing, for honoring your parents? Or have you abandoned those commandments?

 

[ananda]

Well, no, but we know that you are wrong.

Pardon me if I prefer to leave that judgment to YHWH

 

[Hentenza]

The question is this: <snip>

The question was: do you sin? A yes or no will suffice.

 

[ananda]

So do you, the non-Pauling Messianic, throw out Luke's gospel as well? Or do you consider Luke to be inspired but Acts to be non-inspired? Seems a wee picky and choosey.

I consider Luke & Acts to be history books, written by a man without much first-hand eyewitness experience to the events he chronicled, but from the records he heard from others. These books are part of my canon as Ketuvim-level Scripture.

 

[Hentenza]

Pardon me if I prefer to leave that judgment to YHWH

No reason to. He already revealed it in scripture, most of which you discard.

 

[ananda]

The question was: do you sin? A yes or no will suffice.

I'll answer yours after you answer mine!

 

[Hentenza]

I'll answer yours after you answer mine!

That's ok. I already know the answer.

1 John 1
8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

 

[ananda]

That's ok. I already know the answer.

1 John 1
8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

Have I ever written that I do not sin?

I see you're not willing to answer my questions