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This Sunday: The Feast of Pentecost

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Jeroboam would be proud of you.

(Jeroboam)
occurs 104 times in 95 verses in the KJV

3379 Yarob`am yaw-rob-awm' from 7378 and 5971; (the) people will contend; Jarobam, the name of two Israelite kings:--Jeroboam.

Last time used:

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

Rotherham) Amos 7:11 For thus saith Amos, By the sword shall Jeroboam die,--and Israel shall, surely be exiled from off his own soil.

Luke 21:24 And they shall be falling to mouth of sword and they shall be being led captive into all the nations.
And Jerusalem shall be being trodden by nations until which may be being filled times of nations.
[Reve 13:10]

03379 Yarob`am {yaw-rob-awm'}
from 07378 and 05971;; n pr m
AV - Jeroboam 104; 104
Jeroboam = "the people will contend"
1) the first king of the northern kingdom of Israel when the kingdom
split at the death of Solomon and the 10 tribes split off from Judah
and Benjamin and the kingdom under Solomon's son Rehoboam; idolatry
was introduced at the beginning of his reign
2) the 8th king of the northern kingdom of Israel, son of Joash, and
4th in the dynasty of Jehu; during his reign the Syrian invaders
were repelled and the kingdom restored to its former borders but
the idolatry of the kingdom was maintained
 
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For those of us that never heard of this, could you explain what Whit Monday is and what it symbolizes? I've never heard of this.

Hi, Lulav.

In the West, in the English tradition, Pentecost is often called "Whitsunday" or "White Sunday", so the day following is "Whit Monday". I can't tell you why, so Tangible will have to come back and answer that part.

In the East, Sunday is the Feast of Pentecost, and the whole week after Pentecost is called Trinity Week, and Monday is the Day of the Holy Spirit. It's a time when we commemorate the coming of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles (and thereby, the Church). And next Sunday, in the Orthodox Church is a day to commemorate All Saints, which of course is the recognition of the work of the Holy Spirit in His people.

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In case nobody noticed...

This is the Christian section.

The OP is talking about the 'Christian Passover'.

Forgive me...
:thumbsup: :amen:

Matt 24:19 "Woe yet to those in belly having and to those suckling in those the days!
20 "Be ye praying yet that no may be becoming/genhtai <1096> (5638) the flight of ye of winter neither a Sabbath.

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover.

At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts, to keep the festival and the city was at this time crowded with Jewish strangers...........
 
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Hi, Lulav.

In the West, in the English tradition, Pentecost is often called "Whitsunday" or "White Sunday", so the day following is "Whit Monday". I can't tell you why, so Tangible will have to come back and answer that part.

In the East, Sunday is the Feast of Pentecost, and the whole week after Pentecost is called Trinity Week, and Monday is the Day of the Holy Spirit. It's a time when we commemorate the coming of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles (and thereby, the Church). And next Sunday, in the Orthodox Church is a day to commemorate All Saints, which of course is the recognition of the work of the Holy Spirit in His people.

Mary
Yes, Whit Monday is merely an extension of the old name for Pentecost, Whitsunday. Pentecost Sunday, the following Monday and Tuesday were known as 'Whitsuntide'. The Monday and Tuesday observances were simply a continuation of the celebration of Pentecost.
 
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What? Not so.

Not Trinity in the sense of God the Holy Trinity, but small-t trinity, as in a unified group of three, where the title for God comes from. It took me aback too when I first saw it, but then I realized what she was saying.

Oh, and just to confuse the situation even more: next Sunday, the week after Pentecost Sunday, is "Trinity Sunday" (properly the Feast of the Most Holy Trinity) -- the one day in the year where the focus is on, not the work of Christ norHoly Spirit nor the role of Father and Creator, but on the unity-in-triplicity of all three Persons.

Personally, I've always felt that the Gospel-lesson-and-sermon for the day should be the (preferably dramatic) reading of the full Farewell Discourse in John (ch 13-16) -- the work of the Persons of the Holy Trinity, as explained by one of them.
 
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Yes, Whit Monday is merely an extension of the old name for Pentecost, Whitsunday. Pentecost Sunday, the following Monday and Tuesday were known as 'Whitsuntide'. The Monday and Tuesday observances were simply a continuation of the celebration of Pentecost.

Though the timing (like Lent), IMO, seems "off" or "reversed", the three days of Sunday, Monday, Tuesday may refer to this (which was the pattern of course).

Ex. 19:10 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes,
v11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai. (to give the Law)

For it seems, perhaps, to refer to Friday, Saturday, Sunday morning.

Then Acts 2:1-4 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. (give the Spirit)
 
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Not Trinity in the sense of God the Holy Trinity, but small-t trinity, as in a unified group of three, where the title for God comes from. It took me aback too when I first saw it, but then I realized what she was saying.

Oh, and just to confuse the situation even more: next Sunday, the week after Pentecost Sunday, is "Trinity Sunday" (properly the Feast of the Most Holy Trinity) -- the one day in the year where the focus is on, not the work of Christ norHoly Spirit nor the role of Father and Creator, but on the unity-in-triplicity of all three Persons.

Personally, I've always felt that the Gospel-lesson-and-sermon for the day should be the (preferably dramatic) reading of the full Farewell Discourse in John (ch 13-16) -- the work of the Persons of the Holy Trinity, as explained by one of them.

Interesting. I can't think of a Sunday in the EO that is designated as such. I suppose the closest thing would be our celebration of Theophany (Epiphany).
 
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Hi, Lulav.

In the West, in the English tradition, Pentecost is often called "Whitsunday" or "White Sunday", so the day following is "Whit Monday". I can't tell you why, so Tangible will have to come back and answer that part.

In the East, Sunday is the Feast of Pentecost, and the whole week after Pentecost is called Trinity Week, and Monday is the Day of the Holy Spirit. It's a time when we commemorate the coming of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles (and thereby, the Church). And next Sunday, in the Orthodox Church is a day to commemorate All Saints, which of course is the recognition of the work of the Holy Spirit in His people.

Mary
Thank you Mary for explaining that. I am still a bit confused though. So 'whit' means 'white' and that stands for?

And in the West (do you mean USA?) they only have the Whitsunday and the whit monday, but in the East they celebrate all seven days of that week? I'm confused why in the East Pentecost is celebrated on Monday? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding, you said Sunday is the Feast of Pentecost and Monday is the day of the HS. I don't see the disconnection of the two since Pentecost is the day that the Holy Spirit came? :confused:

And this coming Sunday is All Saints Day, I thought that was the Day after Halloween? Forgive my ignorance I am not familiar at all with the orthodox calendar or liturgy.
 
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Though the timing (like Lent), IMO, seems "off" or "reversed", the three days of Sunday, Monday, Tuesday may refer to this (which was the pattern of course).

Ex. 19:10 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes,
v11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai. (to give the Law)

For it seems, perhaps, to refer to Friday, Saturday, Sunday morning.

Then Acts 2:1-4 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. (give the Spirit)

That I could understand, getting ready to receive and celebrating that but I am confused on the Starting on Sunday and then the Monday and Tuesday days.
 
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That I could understand, getting ready to receive and celebrating that but I am confused on the Starting on Sunday and then the Monday and Tuesday days.

Me too. It seems like a Lenten thing. I get the 40 days (Jesus and Moses on the mountain), but I don't get the timing. If anything, Jesus remained 40 days on earth after Pentecost. But for some reason the 40 days was placed before Passover.

Likewise, the three days seemed to be a preparation time for the 'giving of the Law at Sinai' and the 'giving of the Spirit at Zion/Pentecost'.

What else is odd is that three-day similarity of the Law giving at Fri (today), Sat (tomorrow), Sunday morning/Pentecost (third day in the morning) of that sequence with the Fri-Sun custom of Easter/Passover. It's like a confusion of times, meanings, and symbols with the reality in Christ Jesus.

Oh well.
 
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Standing Up, I don't know if there is anything like the link you're suggesting. I guess it's possible. I would imagine that nowadays the only observance of Whit Monday and Whit Tuesday might be that in those churches that have daily services, or for individuals who follow the church year in their daily devotions, there would be special readings and prayers for those days. It appears as though there used to be public holidays in some European countries on these days, but most of them have been abolished over the years.

Pentecost - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Whit Monday - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Whit Tuesday - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Standing Up, I don't know if there is anything like the link you're suggesting. I guess it's possible. I would imagine that nowadays the only observance of Whit Monday and Whit Tuesday might be that in those churches that have daily services, or for individuals who follow the church year in their daily devotions, there would be special readings and prayers for those days. It appears as though there used to be public holidays in some European countries on these days, but most of them have been abolished over the years.

Pentecost - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Whit Monday - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Whit Tuesday - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks for the links with more info.

Maybe also the baptisms, but I don't know either. Maybe long ago there was an association, but the OT timing reference seems to foreshadow what would be today (Fri), tomorrow (Sat), third day (Sunday) pour out the Spirit on Pentecost Sunday. Instead of the Sunday, Monday, Tuesday that's apparently observed by some Christians nowadays. Don't know.

As you're probably aware, over the last 1800 years the church moved away from anything "Jewish", so if it ever did mean anything symbolic/meaningful/fulfilled in Jesus Christ, not sure what it was.
 
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Thank you Mary for explaining that. I am still a bit confused though. So 'whit' means 'white' and that stands for?

And in the West (do you mean USA?) they only have the Whitsunday and the whit monday, but in the East they celebrate all seven days of that week? I'm confused why in the East Pentecost is celebrated on Monday? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding, you said Sunday is the Feast of Pentecost and Monday is the day of the HS. I don't see the disconnection of the two since Pentecost is the day that the Holy Spirit came? :confused:

And this coming Sunday is All Saints Day, I thought that was the Day after Halloween? Forgive my ignorance I am not familiar at all with the orthodox calendar or liturgy.

I don't know the reason "white" is used in the west, or whether it's just the English speaking countries that have come to use that term. Someone else would have to answer that for you.

No, Orthodox celebrate the Feast of Pentecost on Sunday, but it also continues on Monday and Tuesday, and the rest of the week. In Orthodoxy, All Saints is the Sunday after Pentecost. I don't know why it's November 1st in the western churches.

I copied this regarding Pentecost from the Orthodox Church in America website:

In the Old Testament Pentecost was the feast which occurred fifty days after Passover. As the passover feast celebrated the exodus of the Israelites from the slavery of Egypt, so Pentecost celebrated God's gift of the ten commandments to Moses on Mount Sinai.

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In the new covenant of the Messiah, the passover event takes on its new meaning as the celebration of Christ's death and resurrection, the "exodus" of men from this sinful world to the Kingdom of God. And in the New Testament as well, the pentecostal feast is fulfilled and made new by the coming of the "new law," the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the disciples of Christ.
When the day of Pentecost had come they were all together in one place. And suddenly a sound came from heaven like the rush of a mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared to them tongues as of fire, distributed as resting upon each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit ... (Acts 2:1-4).​
The Holy Spirit that Christ had promised to his disciples came on the day of Pentecost (Jn 14:26, 15:26; Lk 24:49; Acts 1:5). The apostles received "the power from on high," and they began to preach and bear witness to Jesus as the risen Christ, the King and the Lord. This moment has traditionally been called the birthday of the Church.

In the liturgical services of the feast of Pentecost, the coming of the Holy Spirit is celebrated together with the full revelation of the divine Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The fulness of the Godhead is manifested with the Spirit's coming to man, and the Church hymns celebrate this manifestation as the final act of God's self-disclosure and self-donation to the world of His creation. For this reason Pentecost Sunday is also called Trinity Day in the Orthodox tradition. Often on this day the icon of the Holy Trinity -- particularly that of the three angelic figures who appeared to Abraham, the forefather of the Christian faith - is placed in the center of the church. This icon is used with the traditional pentecostal icon which shows the tongues of fire hovering over Mary and the Twelve Apostles, the original prototype of the Church, who are themselves sitting in unity surrounding a symbolic image of "cosmos," the world.

On Pentecost we have the final fulfillment of the mission of Jesus Christ and the first beginning of the messianic age of the Kingdom of God mystically present in this world in the Church of the Messiah. For this reason the fiftieth day stands as the beginning of the era which is beyond the limitations of this world, fifty being that number which stands for eternal and heavenly fulfillment in Jewish and Christian mystical piety: seven times seven, plus one.

Thus, Pentecost is called an apocalyptic day, which means the day of final revelation. It is also called an eschatological day, which means the day of the final and perfect end (in Greek eschaton> means the end). For when the Messiah comes and the Lord's Day is at hand, the "last days" are inaugurated in which "God declares: ... I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh." This is the ancient prophecy to which the Apostle Peter refers in the first sermon of the Christian Church which was preached on the first Sunday of Pentecost (Acts 2: 1 7; Joel 2: 28-32).

Once again it must be noted that the feast of Pentecost is not simply the celebration of an event which took place centuries ago. It is the celebration of what must happen and does happen to us in the Church today. We all have died and risen with the Messiah-King, and we all have received his Most Holy Spirit. We are the "temples of the Holy Spirit." God's Spirit dwells in us (Rom 8; 1 Cor 2-3, 12; 2 Cor 3; Gal 5; Eph 2-3). We, by our own membership in the Church, have received "the seal of the gift of the Holy Spirit" in the sacrament of chrismation. Pentecost has happened to us.

The Divine Liturgy of Pentecost recalls our baptism into Christ with the verse from Galatians again replacing the Thrice-Holy Hymn. Special verses from the psalms also replace the usual antiphonal psalms of the liturgy. The epistle and gospel readings tell of the Spirit's coming to men. The kontakion sings of the reversal of Babel as God unites the nations into the unity of his Spirit. The troparion proclaims the gathering of the whole universe into God's net through the work of the inspired apostles. The hymns 0 Heavenly King and We have seen the True Light are sung for the first time since Easter, calling the Holy Spirit to "come and abide in us", and proclaiming that "we have received the heavenly Spirit." The church building is decorated with flowers and the green leaves of the summer to show that God's divine Breath comes to renew all creation as the "lifeÄcreating Spirit." In Hebrew the word for Spirit, breath and wind is the same word, ruah.
Blessed art Thou, O Christ our God, who hast revealed the fishermen as most wise by sending down upon them the Holy Spirit: through them Thou didst draw the world into Thy net. 0 Lover of Man, Glory to Thee (Troparion).

When the Most High came down and confused the tongues, he divided the nations. But when he distributed the tongues of fire, he called all to unity. Therefore, with one voice, we glorify the All-Holy Spirit! (Kontakion)​
The Great Vespers of Pentecost evening features three long prayers at which the faithful kneel for the first time since Easter. The Monday after Pentecost is the feast of the Holy Spirit in the Orthodox Church, and the Sunday after Pentecost is the feast of All Saints. This is the logical liturgical sequence since the coming of the Holy Spirit is fulfilled in men by their becoming saints, and this is the very purpose of the creation and salvation of the world. "Thus says the Lord: Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy, for I your God am holy" (Lev 11:44-45, 1 Pet 1:15-16).

Hope that helps.

Mary
 
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The liturgical color for Pentecost is red, symbolizing the tongues of fire in Acts 2. "Whitsunday" references the white robes of converts, Pentecost being one of the five traditional days when catechumens were brought formally into the church body, and wore the white candidatus robes in token of that.
 
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Yeah, I knew the vestments were red for the fire of the Holy Spirit, in the West, that's why I couldn't come up with a reason for white. :)

In the East, the color is green, because the Holy Spirit gives life. We bring lots of greenery (even trees!) into the nave for Pentecost.

Mary
 
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The liturgical color for Pentecost is red, symbolizing the tongues of fire in Acts 2. "Whitsunday" references the white robes of converts, Pentecost being one of the five traditional days when catechumens were brought formally into the church body, and wore the white candidatus robes in token of that.
What does purple symbolize in the EO and RCC? :wave:

Luke 16:19 A-Man, yet any, was rich and in-slipped purple/porfuran <4209> and busson making-merry down to a-day, shiningly
[Matt 22:11]

Revelation 17:4 And the Woman was having been about-cast/clothed purple/porfura <4209> and scarlet...............
 
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