This is the question I have!

[dlamberth]

The dates are laughable. Yes hotspots moved along etc.

That is something too big for the thread. Why basalt exists etc etc

Lots of molten rock and etc, yes. You might want to save your millions of years thing for believers in the naturalonlydunnitall. I am not one of them, I know Goddunnit.

Having a lot of molten rock and/or flowing lava is no problem.

And than in order to fit into your pocket a perspective that does not at all reflect what God's own Creation is showing us your trajectory is to paint God as a deceiver.

 

[Shemjaza]

I know. Both assume the natural only and are only as good as your proof there is nothing but the natural. Too bad you have none.

No it works from measurable data and evidence, which is the natural world.

If there was a way to demonstrate and measure supernatural influence it could be counted in to the models and predictions.

Natural only projecting high and low. If the stars were created supernaturally, and the world, that means none of your calculations are right.

The problem, for you, is that they work.

Events and objects examined and measured by astrophysicists both younger and older than 6000 years conform to what we can work out from the laws of physics... so I'd say that's pretty good evidence for the effectiveness of the scientific approach.

Now that we have that straightened out I will point out that the astronomical data agrees with a supernatural creation as well.

How exactly would you point that out?

There is no sign of a disconnect in the stars from the points of the Flood or Creation in the 6ish thousand year time line. In fact if the light trails were placed then false information about astronomical events that never happened is encoded into them.

The problem I see with using supernatural assumptions for investigating science, is that literally anything is possible for an omnipotent God... therefore nothing can ever be determined if the intent is to mislead.

Specifically what evidence? Having only smaller creatures die early in the record?

In the earliest record there are only smaller, simpler creatures... but we've been discussing the Mesozoic and there are basically nothing big or small exactly like modern animals.

The birds we were discussing were more reptilian in structure than their modern cousins and the only mammals were very small... but there were dinosaurs from the size of rats all the way to creatures that rival whales.

There is no evidence that modern animals even existed.

That is because you have no evidence for birds in that time. Did you think that meant there were no birds then? No. It means that the evidence you expected was missing and the reason is misplaced expectations. God never said man would leave remains. Nor that birds would in that time before the flood. So why would you think they would exactly?

But we do have evidence for birds, just not modern ones. That means it's reasonable to draw some conclusions about the life present at the time.

But my line of questions wasn't particularly because I thought God had said we would find them, but more because you explicitly said:
Many things in the first few thousand years up to that Mesozoic period resembled what lives today, even mankind. Crows. Doves, etc. Having some trilobites and things go extinct and leave fossilized remains doesn't change that

Says who? Genesis is evidence. Wait, you mean natural only evidence that you think is all that matters? So if Jesus rose from the dead would that be evidence He is the creator? Would that be evidence there is more than the natural?

No evidence in Mesozoic rocks. That they represent a time only 4 thousand or so years ago is your claim, but what they actually hold is evidence for an ecosystem different from anything we'd be familiar with.

I know. Neither was the creation of the world by God.

Yes, then you have the claim that all the geological remains, including preserved dead things and preserved evidence for specific events happened in that time.

Bones, minor floods, foot prints preserved in sedimentary rock, distorted sedimentary layers... this is all evidence for significant time.

Now of course, just like the stars, a miracle could have built this all in an instant, but that is more examples of a dishonest mis representation of the past.

Exactly, I was being generous by saying under 2000 years.

Would it though? I submit that such a flood would be impossible in this natural world. The flood was carried out by a supernatural being. He brought the water from above and below. He made the water recede. He closed the door of the ark. He brought the animals. He designed the ark exactly. He gave the specs to Noah. He arranged for the world to carry on afterwards. He disposed of any waste/bodies/old world etc that was needed. So who are you to say what sort of 'remnant' He should have left? He wanted a whole new deal. Trying to use natural only dunnit it all logic doesn't work on acts of God. Like creation. Like the flood. Like Babel. Like anything He did that we may not even know about yet.

Anything is possible for God in this scenario... but it mean that actual evidence isn't present for these events, in fact evidence is in place for different false events.

The flood was only mentioned for timing. To approximate when the geologic layers were in the OP. The lifetimes of two men would exceed the time from creation to the flood! It is OK to assume a lot of the little sorts of fossilized creatures in the layers up to the cretaceous or so would have died in that time, but not a lot of bigger animals and man etc. Plus I said that this was only one likely factor.

Except the layers from Mesozoic and before are full of evidence for different ecosystems of both big and small creatures.

There are plenty of enormous and small creatures burred no where near the end of the Mesozoic.

 

[truthpls]

I don't think you understand what their view of it was.

There is no question what His view or the apostles or prophets was regarding creation.

 

[truthpls]

It involves being informed on the subject you wish to discuss.

Which takes considerable time and effort, not to mention and so
important, the capacity to move past existing errors and into new
understandings.

My guess is this will prove impossible in this case.


I will happily look forward to being proved wrong, though,
if you care to try.

In the above example where the flood is placed around the time of the border between the Mesozoic and the Cenozoic, we see there are only about 1656 years. That is less than the lifespans of the three men listed on the left side. I put some approx normal lifespans for some of the creatures fossilized on the right side. The little creatures in the Paleozoic would be expect3d to die and be in the record long before man or beast. That is what we see. Those creatures would have died in the lifetimes of Adam and His son. The creatures in the Mesozoic would then die and join the record. Just as the graph shows.

The real issue of difference is the so called ages involved. Natural only methods of deriving dates do not work if the creation was supernatural.

What have you to say about that?

 

[truthpls]

And than in order to fit into your pocket a perspective that does not at all reflect what God's own Creation is showing us your trajectory is to paint God as a deceiver.

No. Simply adjust the dream dates and presto

 

[BCP1928]

View attachment 359314
No. Simply adjust the dream dates and presto

Wow! There was a lot going on between 4004 BC and 2348. It's a wonder nobody noticed.

 

[truthpls]

No it works from measurable data and evidence, which is the natural world.

All natural as I mentioned. Such as assuming the ratios in a rock all got there from decay processes etc. If there was a creation by God, that would be totally wrong.

If there was a way to demonstrate and measure supernatural influence it could be counted in to the models and predictions.

If there was a way to do that science might not remain wrong.

The problem, for you, is that they work.

The problem for you is that dream dates only work in the head.

Events and objects examined and measured by astrophysicists both younger and older than 6000 years conform to what we can work out from the laws of physics... so I'd say that's pretty good evidence for the effectiveness of the scientific approach.

Nothing is measured for actual dates. For example if God created the universe and stars, their light got here right away. Not in the times you claim

How exactly would you point that out?

In all ways. Ancient history, geological evidences, etc

There is no sign of a disconnect in the stars from the points of the Flood or Creation in the 6ish thousand year time line.

Nor should they be if they were created for Adam to see.

In fact if the light trails were placed then false information about astronomical events that never happened is encoded into them.

Why false? If there was say, a stellar explosion in the light info, why doubt that? WE just erase the bogus times that science claims. Not events.

The problem I see with using supernatural assumptions for investigating science, is that literally anything is possible for an omnipotent God... therefore nothing can ever be determined if the intent is to mislead.

Having stars shine as planned for Adam was not misleading. Why blame God for your natural only based reconstruction attempts?

In the earliest record there are only smaller, simpler creatures... but we've been discussing the Mesozoic and there are basically nothing big or small exactly like modern animals.

Exactly. The kind that would die many many centuries before Adam would have died.

The birds we were discussing were more reptilian in structure than their modern cousins and the only mammals were very small... but there were dinosaurs from the size of rats all the way to creatures that rival whales.

So what? Weird birds that used to live died as expected. Long long before Adam died

There is no evidence that modern animals even existed.

Unless they died early rather than live almost 1000 years why would there be?

But we do have evidence for birds, just not modern ones. That means it's reasonable to draw some conclusions about the life present at the time.

No, only that some strange birds died in the expected time and left remains

But my line of questions wasn't particularly because I thought God had said we would find them, but more because you explicitly said:
Many things in the first few thousand years up to that Mesozoic period resembled what lives today, even mankind. Crows. Doves, etc. Having some trilobites and things go extinct and leave fossilized remains doesn't change that

Right, Adam looked like we do, ravens also, and doves etc. Your assumption that they did not exist if not in the early record is all that is faulty.

No evidence in Mesozoic rocks. That they represent a time only 4 thousand or so years ago is your claim, but what they actually hold is evidence for an ecosystem different from anything we'd be familiar with.

1656 years.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then why aren't any modern marine organisms found in the same strata as trilobites?

They are.

You just don't know it.

There is only one stratum: Earth.

Genesis 1:10a And God called the dry land Earth;

 

[AV1611VET]

(while I am doing that, if any creationist can try to take a stab at that, it might be good)

Geology teaches that "deeper means older, unless there are exceptions."

The Bible teaches "deeper means nothing, and there are no exceptions."

 

[Aaron112]

Creation

There is only one stratum: Earth.
Genesis 1:10a And God called the dry land Earth;

"Bereshis 1 Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)​

1. In the beginning Elohim created hashomayim (the heavens, Himel) and haaretz (the earth).
2. And the earth was tohu vavohu (without form, and void); and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Ruach Elohim was hovering upon the face of the waters.
3. And Elohim said, Let there be light: and there was light [Tehillim 33:6,9].
4. And Elohim saw the light, that it was tov (good); and Elohim divided the ohr (light) from the choshech (darkness).
5. And Elohim called the light Yom (Day), and the darkness He called Lailah (Night). And the erev (evening) and the boker (morning) were Yom Echad (Day One, the First Day, Mk 16:2).
6. And Elohim said, Let there be a raki'a (expanse, dome, firmament) in the midst of the mayim (waters), and let it divide the mayim from the mayim.
7. And Elohim made the raki'a, and divided the waters under the raki'a from the waters which were above the raki'a; and it was so.
8. And Elohim called the raki'a Shomayim (Heaven). And the erev and the boker were Yom Sheni (Day Two, the Second Day).
9. And Elohim said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the yabashah (dry land) appear; and it was so.
10. And Elohim called the yabashah Eretz (Earth); and the mikveh (gathering together of the waters) called He Seas; and Elohim saw that it was tov.
11. And Elohim said, Let the earth bring forth vegetation, the herb yielding zera (seed), and the fruit tree yielding pri (fruit) after its kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth; and it was so.
12. And the earth brought forth vegetation, and herb yielding zera (seed) after its kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after its kind; and Elohim saw that it was tov (good).
13. And the erev and the boker were Yom Shlishi (Day Three, the Third Day).
14. And Elohim said, Let there be lights in the raki'a of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for otot (signs), and for mo'adim (seasons), and for yamim (days), and shanim (years);
15. And let them be for lights in the raki'a of the heaven to give light upon the earth; and it was so.
16. And Elohim made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; He made the kokhavim (stars) also.

17. And Elohim set them in the raki'a of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18. And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness; and Elohim saw that it was tov.
19. And the erev and the boker were Yom Revi'i (Day Four, the Fourth Day).
20. And Elohim said, Let the waters bring forth an abundance of living creatures, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open raki'a of heaven.
21. And Elohim created great sea creatures, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth in abundance, after their kind, and every winged fowl after its kind; and Elohim saw that it was tov.
22. And Elohim blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23. And the erev and the boker were Yom Chamishi (Day Five, the Fifth Day).
24. And G-d said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after its kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after its kind; and it was so.
25. And G-d made the beast of the earth after its kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after its kind; and G-d saw that it was tov.
26. And G-d said, Let Us make man in Our tzelem, after Our demut: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon ha'aretz (the earth).
27. So G-d created humankind in His own tzelem, in the tzelem Elohim (image of G-d) created He him; zachar (male) and nekevah (female) created He them.
28. And G-d blessed them, and G-d said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29. And G-d said, Hinei, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of kol ha'aretz (all the earth), and every etz (tree), in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food.
30. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for food; and it was so.
31. And G-d saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was tov me'od (very good). And the erev and the boker were Yom Shishi (Day Six, the Sixth Day)."

 

[BeyondET]

Creation

"Bereshis 1 Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)​

1. In the beginning Elohim created hashomayim (the heavens, Himel) and haaretz (the earth).
2. And the earth was tohu vavohu (without form, and void); and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Ruach Elohim was hovering upon the face of the waters.
3. And Elohim said, Let there be light: and there was light [Tehillim 33:6,9].
4. And Elohim saw the light, that it was tov (good); and Elohim divided the ohr (light) from the choshech (darkness).
5. And Elohim called the light Yom (Day), and the darkness He called Lailah (Night). And the erev (evening) and the boker (morning) were Yom Echad (Day One, the First Day, Mk 16:2).
6. And Elohim said, Let there be a raki'a (expanse, dome, firmament) in the midst of the mayim (waters), and let it divide the mayim from the mayim.
7. And Elohim made the raki'a, and divided the waters under the raki'a from the waters which were above the raki'a; and it was so.
8. And Elohim called the raki'a Shomayim (Heaven). And the erev and the boker were Yom Sheni (Day Two, the Second Day).
9. And Elohim said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the yabashah (dry land) appear; and it was so.
10. And Elohim called the yabashah Eretz (Earth); and the mikveh (gathering together of the waters) called He Seas; and Elohim saw that it was tov.
11. And Elohim said, Let the earth bring forth vegetation, the herb yielding zera (seed), and the fruit tree yielding pri (fruit) after its kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth; and it was so.
12. And the earth brought forth vegetation, and herb yielding zera (seed) after its kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after its kind; and Elohim saw that it was tov (good).
13. And the erev and the boker were Yom Shlishi (Day Three, the Third Day).
14. And Elohim said, Let there be lights in the raki'a of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for otot (signs), and for mo'adim (seasons), and for yamim (days), and shanim (years);
15. And let them be for lights in the raki'a of the heaven to give light upon the earth; and it was so.
16. And Elohim made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; He made the kokhavim (stars) also.

17. And Elohim set them in the raki'a of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18. And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness; and Elohim saw that it was tov.
19. And the erev and the boker were Yom Revi'i (Day Four, the Fourth Day).
20. And Elohim said, Let the waters bring forth an abundance of living creatures, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open raki'a of heaven.
21. And Elohim created great sea creatures, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth in abundance, after their kind, and every winged fowl after its kind; and Elohim saw that it was tov.
22. And Elohim blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23. And the erev and the boker were Yom Chamishi (Day Five, the Fifth Day).
24. And G-d said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after its kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after its kind; and it was so.
25. And G-d made the beast of the earth after its kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after its kind; and G-d saw that it was tov.
26. And G-d said, Let Us make man in Our tzelem, after Our demut: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon ha'aretz (the earth).
27. So G-d created humankind in His own tzelem, in the tzelem Elohim (image of G-d) created He him; zachar (male) and nekevah (female) created He them.
28. And G-d blessed them, and G-d said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29. And G-d said, Hinei, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of kol ha'aretz (all the earth), and every etz (tree), in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food.
30. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for food; and it was so.
31. And G-d saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was tov me'od (very good). And the erev and the boker were Yom Shishi (Day Six, the Sixth Day)."

Yah much more consistent and there's no need to guess how plants grow without sunlight.


"Bereshis 1 Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
1. In the beginning Elohim created hashomayim (the heavens, Himel) and haaretz (the earth).

2. And the earth was tohu vavohu (without form, and void); and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Ruach Elohim was hovering upon the face of the waters.

3. And Elohim said, Let there be light: and there was light [Tehillim 33:6,9].

4. And Elohim saw the light, that it was tov (good); and Elohim divided the ohr (light) from the choshech (darkness).

5. And Elohim called the light Yom (Day), and the darkness He called Lailah (Night). And the erev (evening) and the boker (morning) were Yom Echad (Day One, the First Day, Mk 16:2).

6. And Elohim said, Let there be a raki'a (expanse, dome, firmament) in the midst of the mayim (waters), and let it divide the mayim from the mayim.

7. And Elohim made the raki'a, and divided the waters under the raki'a from the waters which were above the raki'a; and it was so.

8. And Elohim called the raki'a Shomayim (Heaven). And the erev and the boker were Yom Sheni (Day Two, the Second Day).

14. And Elohim said, Let there be lights in the raki'a of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for otot (signs), and for mo'adim (seasons), and for yamim (days), and shanim (years);

15. And let them be for lights in the raki'a of the heaven to give light upon the earth; and it was so.

16. And Elohim made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; He made the kokhavim (stars) also.

17. And Elohim set them in the raki'a of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18. And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness; and Elohim saw that it was tov.

13. And the erev and the boker were Yom Shlishi (Day Three, the Third Day).

9. And Elohim said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the yabashah (dry land) appear; and it was so.

10. And Elohim called the yabashah Eretz (Earth); and the mikveh (gathering together of the waters) called He Seas; and Elohim saw that it was tov.

11. And Elohim said, Let the earth bring forth vegetation, the herb yielding zera (seed), and the fruit tree yielding pri (fruit) after its kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth; and it was so.

12. And the earth brought forth vegetation, and herb yielding zera (seed) after its kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after its kind; and Elohim saw that it was tov (good).

19. And the erev and the boker were Yom Revi'i (Day Four, the Fourth Day).

20. And Elohim said, Let the waters bring forth an abundance of living creatures, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open raki'a of heaven.

21. And Elohim created great sea creatures, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth in abundance, after their kind, and every winged fowl after its kind; and Elohim saw that it was tov.

22. And Elohim blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23. And the erev and the boker were Yom Chamishi (Day Five, the Fifth Day).

24. And G-d said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after its kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after its kind; and it was so.

25. And G-d made the beast of the earth after its kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after its kind; and G-d saw that it was tov.

26. And G-d said, Let Us make man in Our tzelem, after Our demut: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon ha'aretz (the earth).

27. So G-d created humankind in His own tzelem, in the tzelem Elohim (image of G-d) created He him; zachar (male) and nekevah (female) created He them.

28. And G-d blessed them, and G-d said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29. And G-d said, Hinei, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of kol ha'aretz (all the earth), and every etz (tree), in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food.

30. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for food; and it was so.

31. And G-d saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was tov me'od (very good). And the erev and the boker were Yom Shishi (Day Six, the Sixth Day)."

 

[Aaron112]

Yah much more consistent and there's no need to guess how planets grow without sunlight.

What? I don't know if I ever saw a PLANET GROW ? (even in the dark)

 

[truthpls]

Geology teaches that "deeper means older, unless there are exceptions."

The Bible teaches "deeper means nothing, and there are no exceptions."

In many cases that is true. If God shuffled land around when separating water from land or any time, then it would not be a uniform sequence of age. If a volcano covered a town long ago (Pompeii) then the layer below would be older.

 

[BeyondET]

What? I don't know if I ever saw a PLANET GROW ? (even in the dark)

Thanks for noticing my typo, though planets do grow takes a long time.

 

[Aaron112]

Yah much more consistent and there's no need to guess how plants grow without sunlight.

Better , I hope.

A lot of plants grow without sunlight. But why guess how ?

 

[BeyondET]

Better , I hope.

A lot of plants grow without sunlight. But why guess how ?

There's no need for speculation, besides reading the creation days as such 1,2,4,3,5,6. Is consistent. The sun was definitely before vegetation.

 

[Aaron112]

The sun was definitely before vegetation

web.
"The idea that the sun existed before vegetation contradicts the sequence described in the Genesis creation account, where vegetation is created on the third day, and the sun is created on the fourth day. However, this sequence has been a subject of debate and interpretation among scholars and theologians.

In the Genesis account, light is created on the first day, before the sun. This light is not explicitly identified as the sun but is described as a source of illumination. On the third day, God commands the earth to bring forth vegetation, including plants and trees. On the fourth day, God creates the sun, moon, and stars to serve as markers of time and to provide light on the earth.

Some interpretations suggest that the light on the first day could have been divine light or a different form of light source, allowing for the existence of vegetation before the sun. This divine light is seen as a temporary light source that God used until the creation of the sun.

Others argue that the sequence in Genesis is not meant to be a scientific account but rather a theological narrative emphasizing God’s sovereignty and purpose in creation. The text focuses on the functional aspects of creation rather than a chronological or scientific explanation.

Therefore, while the Genesis account places vegetation before the sun, interpretations vary on how to reconcile this with scientific understandings of the universe’s formation."

 

[AV1611VET]

In case anyone's interested, here's a creation test I once made up:

1. Define Embedded Age.
2. Explain the difference between creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia; and give two examples of each.
3. Why is "heaven" singular in Genesis 1, but plural in Genesis 2?
4. Eden in the Bible is known as __________ on a secular map.
5. Put the following in order that they appeared in the universe: whales, stars, trees, sun, land, sea, outer space.
6. What day was Adam created on?
7. Was the universe created a closed system and, if not, what kind of energy did it run off of? if it was created open, what closed it?
8. Describe terra aqua and what kind of water it consisted of and why.
9. Photosynthesis required light from the sun prior to the Fall. true or false?
10. Explain how a 24-hour day could transpire before the sun was created.
11. Explain the difference between "miracles" and "magic."
12. What literary device reconciles Genesis 1 and Genesis 2?
13. When discussing Creationism, why should one never let himself stray from Genesis 1 or 2?
14. What was the first object in the universe that had mass?

 

[BeyondET]

web.
"The idea that the sun existed before vegetation contradicts the sequence described in the Genesis creation account, where vegetation is created on the third day, and the sun is created on the fourth day. However, this sequence has been a subject of debate and interpretation among scholars and theologians.

In the Genesis account, light is created on the first day, before the sun. This light is not explicitly identified as the sun but is described as a source of illumination. On the third day, God commands the earth to bring forth vegetation, including plants and trees. On the fourth day, God creates the sun, moon, and stars to serve as markers of time and to provide light on the earth.

Some interpretations suggest that the light on the first day could have been divine light or a different form of light source, allowing for the existence of vegetation before the sun. This divine light is seen as a temporary light source that God used until the creation of the sun.

Others argue that the sequence in Genesis is not meant to be a scientific account but rather a theological narrative emphasizing God’s sovereignty and purpose in creation. The text focuses on the functional aspects of creation rather than a chronological or scientific explanation.

Therefore, while the Genesis account places vegetation before the sun, interpretations vary on how to reconcile this with scientific understandings of the universe’s formation."

As I meaned reading the days in the sequence of 1,2,4,3,5,6. No interpretation of how plants can live and exist is needed.

The chapters imo are in the same sequence of 1,2,4,3,5,6 except for verse 25 and 26 in chapter 4 remains.

Adam and Eve was not ashamed to have children in Eden. Death entered the world by Cain. A descendant of Cain mocked Abels death. And word got to Eve and Adam through the wives and they went for the friut to give to that person. Thus sin through man.

 

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Therefore, while the Genesis account places vegetation before the sun, interpretations vary on how to reconcile this with scientific understandings of the universe’s formation."

There is no interpretation possible or needed. There is guessing how He did what He did. But what He did is created the sun after plants, not before. If anyone opposes that fact, then it is not interpreting, but unbelief in what was stated.