This is the ignorance we face daily in the news.

[OldWiseGuy]

I can understand women not wanting to be assaulted. And I can understand considering the job of cleaning outhouses to be beneath one's station.

If a behavior is widespread and pervasive it's part of culture.
Assaulting and raping women is one of their goofy cultural ideas.

Many cultural practices of the third world are considered insane by the west, like insisting on growing low nutrition crops when better food crops are needed and available for planting. There is a decided lack of protein in the diet of the lower class that contributes to their poor health and thus their inability to rise out of poverty.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Yes. I like the idea of forcing a women to abort in the 9th month. And abandoning their baby. They wont be able to keep. Because of limit reproduction.

In China it is women who have been discovered to have hidden their pregnancy that are 'cajoled' into aborting late term (although I think this has changed recently as well).

 

[Chris1984]

I kinda think that would be preferable to the current situation.

You would. You're an atheist.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

India's middle class is now greater than all of the US combined (over 500million). So again, "teeming masses"? Seems more than a bit trite and empty as a phrase.

It's not longer the World Vision commercial it used to be.

Looks like they have a teeming mass of middle class people.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Many cultural practices of the third world are considered insane by the west, like insisting on growing low nutrition crops when better food crops are needed and available for planting. There is a decided lack of protein in the diet of the lower class that contributes to their poor health and thus their inability to rise out of poverty.

If those crops are more profitable than the more nutritious ones, not only is that not insane, but it's basic economics.

 

[USincognito]

Has anyone tried to get the Indians to stop pooping so much? Maybe that would help.

 

[Ana the Ist]

You would. You're an atheist.

I don't see what that has to do with it...I'm basing my opinion on rationality and logic.

I also understand that my opinion has at least some element of subjectivism to it. I considered both possibilities...a nation with a massive overpopulation problem, and all the related health/starvation problems that go along with it....and a nation that limits how many children a person can have...and the emotional toll/suffering that goes along with that.

I think the nation with so many starving/struggling over too few resources is the nation with more suffering...I also think it's unquestionably more prone to disaster as well.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Has anyone tried to get the Indians to stop pooping so much? Maybe that would help.

Have you ever had Indian food?

Good luck with that.

 

[Chris1984]

I don't see what that has to do with it...I'm basing my opinion on rationality and logic.

Because a Christian wouldn't think that killing an unborn child is a rational response to any problem.

 

[bhsmte]

Because a Christian wouldn't think that killing an unborn child is a rational response to any problem.

Are you saying all Christians think abortion at any time, should not be allowed?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Because a Christian wouldn't think that killing an unborn child is a rational response to any problem.

Well I guess you see the limitations that christianity places on dealing with problems in reality then...

Because if killing an unborn child is, in fact, the rational...or even only solution for a particular problem ( like overpopulation) then christians are utterly unequipped to deal with that problem.

 

[SolomonVII]

Yes, being a Christian means accepting limitations on how we solve problems.
Port-a potties, segregated bathrooms, condemning and fighting against the inhumanity of the caste system, GMFs and other Green revolution innovations, expecting miimum standards from trading partners, and many other solutions exist that could possibly make the murder of the unborn, and unborn girls in particular, unnecessary.
In terms of birthing the next generation, culling females through abortion may be the Indian solution, it may be rational behavior,but it can never be a Christian solution.
For atheists, human life may be reduced to a few dollars of chemicals. For Christians, this is not how we believe. Murder therefore, is not a rational option.
People are not cattle, or wildlife to be culled. That is what Christians believe.

Well a few of us anyway. There are plenty who believe in abortion is a good thing.

 

[Chris1984]

Well I guess you see the limitations that christianity places on dealing with problems in reality then...

Because if killing an unborn child is, in fact, the rational...or even only solution for a particular problem ( like overpopulation) then christians are utterly unequipped to deal with that problem.

I don't even know what to say to this. I mean, you're advocating the slaughter of the unborn as a reasonable thing, and somehow I'm the one who's got his head in the wrong place. This is why Christians say that we're in the world but not of the world.

 

[Chris1984]

Are you saying all Christians think abortion at any time, should not be allowed?

Yes, although it's not possible to make an atheist see reason on this point. To an atheist, an unborn baby isn't even a person. It has no value, no soul, and no consequence.

 

[USincognito]

Yes, although it's not possible to make an atheist see reason on this point. To an atheist, an unborn baby isn't even a person. It has no value, no soul, and no consequence.

Blue - or the law.
Red - please stop with your group flaming.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I don't even know what to say to this. I mean, you're advocating the slaughter of the unborn as a reasonable thing, and somehow I'm the one who's got his head in the wrong place. This is why Christians say that we're in the world but not of the world.

I'm pretty sure you can't even see the irony of that statement...

It's exactly the primitive, emotional, selfish side of humanity...the very human part of us...that causes us to decide we'd rather have a child that will almost certainly starve to death instead sacrificing that child...and the desire to have it...for the betterment of everyone.

Were it not for mankind being so very "worldly" situations like the one in China or India wouldn't even happen.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Yes, although it's not possible to make an atheist see reason on this point. To an atheist, an unborn baby isn't even a person. It has no value, no soul, and no consequence.

You aren't basing your position on reason though...you're basing it on religious beliefs.

 

[TLK Valentine]

If a behavior is widespread and pervasive it's part of culture.
Assaulting and raping women is one of their goofy cultural ideas.

One of ours too, in case you've forgotten.

Rape culture - Wikipedia

 

[OldWiseGuy]

One of ours too, in case you've forgotten.

Rape culture - Wikipedia

Good point.

According your graph (if current) U.S. has seen a rise of .5 rapes per 1000 since 2003.

Rape rates in the U.S. per 1000 people, 1973-2003.
Over the last four decades, rape has been declining. According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, the adjusted per-capita victimization rate of rape has declined from about 2.4 per 1000 people (age 12 and above) in 1980 (that is, 2.4 persons from each 1000 people 12 and older were raped during that year) to about 0.4 per 1000 people, a decline of about 85%.

 

[Rion]

The press should remind them daily that they cannot advance as a civilization with their population so high. They should do what China did, limit reproduction.

Oh, yeah, because India doesn't already have a problem with unwanted female children, and that policy didn't lead to killing children because they were females, either.