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GreenEyedLady

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This is some serious stuff. I cannot believe that this is happening. If the muslims are granted the right to play the loudspeaker, its going to get REALLY BAD.
Thoughts????????
GEL




Joanne Golen, a lifelong resident of Hamtramck, said she finds the content of the Moslem call to prayer offensive.

"It says Allah is the one and only God. I am Christian. My God is Jesus Christ. That is my only objection: that I have to listen to a God other than the one I believe in praised five times a day," said Golen, 68.

But Masud Khan, secretary of the Al-Islah mosque, said the purpose of the call, which lasts less than two minutes, is not to proselytize. "We are not inviting" non-Moslems, he said. "We are calling our Moslem people, reminding them they are obligated to come to pray."




http://www.falangist.com/michmosq.htm

Here is another link
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0430/p01s03-ussc.html


"It's been blown way out of proportion," says Masud Khan, the secretary for Al-Islah, as he sits in the mosque's prayer room. He points out that three Detroit towns on Hamtramck's borders have been issuing the calls for years without objection. Mr. Khan and other Muslims compare the calls to church bells - religious sounds that travel into the community. And with so many Muslims living nearby, he says, broadcasting the calls is the mosque's duty. "This is a freedom-of-religion country. And if you follow your religion, you have to have tolerance for others."

In Al-Islah's foyer, flyers explain the calls to non-Muslims. They'll sound five times a day - at sunrise, noon, mid-afternoon, sunset, and nightfall - last a little over a minute, and include proclamations that translate as "Allah is the greatest," "Mohammed is the messenger of Allah," "Come to prayer," and "Come to success." They are meant only for Muslims, says Mr. Khan. "We are not preaching."
 

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seebs said:
My thought is that I grew up in a town where you could hear church bells at regular intervals, and no one complained about that. Seems fair enough to me.
Bells are one thing....chanting a prayer saying alla is the greatest is another.
If we cannot PRAY at a public school football game but THEY can blast this nonsense on a loud speaker. THAT IS NOT FAIR!!!!!!
 
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seebs said:
My thought is that I grew up in a town where you could hear church bells at regular intervals, and no one complained about that. Seems fair enough to me.
Its completely different. One is a vocal prayer to a God which 1 not everyone follows and the other is a musical jingle or a ding dong.

I think even if this does start happening, it'll get shut down eventually.
 
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d0c markus said:
Its completely different. One is a vocal prayer to a God which 1 not everyone follows and the other is a musical jingle or a ding dong.

That's a legitimate distinction, but it may be more subtle than the law is, for now. I'm not sure whether it's an important distinction or not. I certainly think non-Christians are well aware of what church bells mean, and after all, it's the meaning, not the words, that we care about, or most people wouldn't care about a prayer in a language they don't speak.
 
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Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:
If they want to call their believers to their religion publically, they can do so. If they weren't allowed to do so, would that not also make it unlawful to spread Christianity?
We are not using LOUD Speakers to spread the Gospel of Christ around. I am sure there would be just as much of an uproar if a church did on a loud speaker say...........
Jesus is Lord, Jesus is Lord. Come to church. Come to salvation.

I think words mean everything regarless of language. The muslims are slowly gaining strength here in the USA and it scares me.
GEL
 
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GreenEyedLady said:
I am sure there would be just as much of an uproar if a church did on a loud speaker say...........
Jesus is Lord, Jesus is Lord. Come to church. Come to salvation.
Now i'm all for this!:clap:

Lol, yes i am a hypocrite because I am biased by my Lord. Oh well. :thumbsup:
 
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I lived in Pole-town(the affectionate name for Hamtramck) once apon a time, on Joseph Campau. The Pope was even there at one time(saw the Popemobile as he drove by me ten feet away), and they built a Farmer Jack to commemorate the spot(Actually the Farmer Jack is set back and there is a plaque there, but anyway). That area was mostly Polish, some Albanian, and some Americans mixed in. It has been an imigrant town for quite some time. GM has a plant there called the Pole-town plant. My aunt Chris goes to the Catholic church there because the rite is done in Latin and Polish (our heritage). Around the time I was there the Albanians were beginning to be the majority, as the older Polish died out, and the youngsters moved away to find jobs that were lacking in the town. I haven't been there in years but the trend was moving towards it being less Polish, and more Albanian.

When I was there this loud speaker stuff wasn't done, but I am not suprised at the reaction of some, the fact that it was done, or am I outraged. And I really don't think this is the beginning of the muslims taking over our country. JMHO
 
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I'm with you too, Green Eyed Lady. I've heard about this on another board. It scares me, too. Seems like some other religions are getting more rights than Christians. Christians churches should be able to do the very thing you state above otherwise bias toward Muslims and against Christians is being shown.
 
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What gets me really mad is that Muslims want us to be tolerant of their religion ,but don't want to be tolerant of our. At this one Christian college the Muslims wanted the staff to change the text books because it states that there is only one true God and it is not Allah. Either they stop blowing the horn or Christians should be able to pray in school, have the Ten Commandments in parks, and have our own loud speaker that plays 24/7 calling all Christians to pray always.
 
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Well I agree with GEL on this one. I think that this is very scary. Just the beginning. Is it fair? Probably so considering that they are calling out to their people.

What scares me though is what happens when muslims start getting into the higher offices? What happens when it's Muslims against Christains? You believe the Muslim belief or else?

Ok I'm probably being paranoid but it's still something to think about.
 
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if they can have something to call their people then we shoudl be allowed the same rights..it makes me mad that Christian rights are being taken away and other religions get to keep thier rights...but if we as Christians say one thing about they should be treated the same way they scream prejudice...why don't we start screamign prejudice too?
 
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Exodus 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Exodus 3:16 ¶Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt:
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1 Kings 18:36 And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word.

1 Chronicles 29:18 O LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, our fathers, keep this for ever in the imagination of the thoughts of the heart of thy people, and prepare their heart unto thee:

2 Chronicles 30:6 So the posts went with the letters from the king and his princes throughout all Israel and Judah, and according to the commandment of the king, saying, Ye children of Israel, turn again unto the LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, and he will return to the remnant of you, that are escaped out of the hand of the kings of Assyria.

Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Mark 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?

Luke 20:37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

Acts 7:32 Saying, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Then Moses trembled, and durst not behold.

I am post all of these verse so that everyone can see that The bible refers to God is the GOD of ALL three, not just Abraham. He did this for a reason. God knew the muslism would try to use HIM as thier God as well. If you dig enough, you will see WE DO NOT HAVE THE SAME GOD AS THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This really scares me that christians actually think we do have the same GOD as them!
GEL
 
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Allah is the same God as the God of Abraham.
God is not interested in our understanding of genealogies. The Jews made the same claim as you make here. If you know Jesus then you know God. Do they know Jesus? No, then it can't be the same God.
JN 8:19 Then they asked him, "Where is your father?"
"You do not
know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also.

 
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eldermike said:
God is not interested in our understanding of genealogies. The Jews made the same claim as you make here. If you know Jesus then you know God. Do they know Jesus? No, then it can't be the same God.
JN 8:19 Then they asked him, "Where is your father?"
"You do not
knowme or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also.

The Jews do not make the same claim. They always say, their God is the God of Abraham, Issac, and Israel.
The Jews have the same God as we do, they just do not accept the Messiah.
 
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