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What really struck me was (I think it was Fr. Barnabas Powell) talking in a podcast years ago about two young ladies who came to him, wanting to be “saved” but terrified that they were simply not among the “elect” and so there could be no hope for them.sadly yeah for some Calvinists I have met
indeedWhat really struck me was (I think it was Fr. Barnabas Powell) talking in a podcast years ago about two young ladies who came to him, wanting to be “saved” but terrified that they were simply not among the “elect” and so there could be no hope for them.
It’s such a hopeless theology.
What really struck me was (I think it was Fr. Barnabas Powell) talking in a podcast years ago about two young ladies who came to him, wanting to be “saved” but terrified that they were simply not among the “elect” and so there could be no hope for them.
It’s such a hopeless theology.
He was also a lawyer which helps explain the legalistic nature of his "theology".No. It's not a hopeless theology for those who are in it. I was there 13 years and while people I met in Calvinism may have had some questions as to whether they were "elect" or not, I never saw any agonizing over it by them. Being a Calvinist, after all, is proof that you really are "elect."
My best friend in the PCA church we were in more often wondered out loud how people who were not Calvinist, such as Baptist friends of his, could love Jesus as sincerely as they did and not be Calvinist, which meant that they weren't "elect."
John Calvin was a screwball.
I don’t believe many are aware of most of them. Probably the only church father to most is St. Augustine filtered through reformation theology.That's what I can't understand. Why do thousands of holy fathers of the Orthodox Church, who testified to their unanimity back in the 1st millennium, from the apostles to the martyrs, to the saints and saints, not enjoy authority among Protestants? But some private reformers, such as Calvin or Luther, have authority? Do they really have more of the Holy Spirit than the apostles and saints of the 1st millennium? Hardly. So why?
yep. there is a little love I have found for Chrysostom as well, although mostly for his oratory.I don’t believe many are aware of most of them. Probably the only church father to most is St. Augustine filtered through reformation theology.
It's interesting mental gymnastics. There could have been no elect before John Calvin and Calvinism, until suddenly there was the elect. Make it make sense.No. It's not a hopeless theology for those who are in it. I was there 13 years and while people I met in Calvinism may have had some questions as to whether they were "elect" or not, I never saw any agonizing over it by them. Being a Calvinist, after all, is proof that you really are "elect."
My best friend in the PCA church we were in more often wondered out loud how people who were not Calvinist, such as Baptist friends of his, could love Jesus as sincerely as they did and not be Calvinist, which meant that they weren't "elect."
John Calvin was a screwball.
I think that people who come there are encouraged to turn off logic. They are told: enjoy the pleasant thought that you are the chosen ones. Just believe it. And throw away logic. Otherwise, you will lose comfortable of mind. Something like this.It's interesting mental gymnastics. There could have been no elect before John Calvin and Calvinism, until suddenly there was the elect. Make it make sense.
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