THIS IS CERN'S SCHEDULE

Oafman · Nov 10, 2015

malvina said:
I am surprised that seeing we have several scientists here you aren't relating to CERN like as in my previous post
It has info given by top world scientists that can be read on several science sites - not just this one. Does their words and work not interest you?

I'm not prepared to wade through a conspiracy site looking for these quotes. If they're worthwhile then please post them in this thread.

Armoured · Nov 10, 2015

Oafman said:
I'm not prepared to wade through a conspiracy site looking for these quotes. If they're worthwhile then please post them in this thread.

Not unreasonable, I'd have thought. But apparently asking makes you a shiftless layabout.

malvina · Nov 10, 2015

Armoured said:
Sorry, what words? I'm not sure what you mean?

they are all in there Steve Hawking and the leader of CERN! to name a couple

Armoured · Nov 10, 2015

malvina said:
they are all in there Steve Hawking and the leader of CERN! to name a couple

... OK, and what did they actually say?

malvina · Nov 10, 2015

Oafman said:
I'm not prepared to wade through a conspiracy site looking for these quotes. If they're worthwhile then please post them in this thread.

My friend I am talking about statements made by top scientists. So do you all think you are better than Steve Hawking and the leader of CERN etc?

malvina · Nov 10, 2015

You people are terrified of

Armoured said:
Not unreasonable, I'd have thought. But apparently asking makes you a shiftless layabout.

Well you said it lol. I give you an article to read and you ask me to tell you what it is about - how stupid and lazy is that? It is top scientists' quotes that can be seen all over the web
which proves the well-known saying 'It's The Truth that hurts most'

Oafman · Nov 10, 2015

malvina said:
My friend I am talking about statements made by top scientists. So do you all think you are better than Steve Hawking and the leader of CERN etc?

CERN has a Director General, not a 'leader'. It's not a cult.

I certainly don't consider myself to be 'better' than either of those people, or indeed anyone. Not sure how you got that impression. Mind you, I suppose it all depends on your criteria. I mean, I'm probably better than Hawking at table tennis. But he's better than me at physics etc.

Anyway, stop teasing us: what are these quotes?

Armoured · Nov 10, 2015

malvina said:
You people are terrified of

Well you said it lol. I give you an article to read and you ask me to tell you what it is about - how stupid and lazy is that? It is top scientists' quotes that can be seen all over the web
which proves the well-known saying 'It's The Truth that hurts most'

I'm not terrified of anything. I read the article you posted, and nothing in it said what you seemed to think it said, which is why I'm asking you for direct quotes.

malvina · Nov 10, 2015

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1:1).

“For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together” (Colossians 1:16 -17).

There is no machine anywhere on earth bigger or more powerful than the Large Hadron Collider, located at CERN in Switzerland. A collider that spans 17 miles in length; it is the most powerful particle accelerator every made and many eminent physicists believe that what scientists are doing there has the potential to destroy not just the world, but the universe itself.

Just to write such a thing seems ludicrous, “…the power to destroy the universe...” However, Professor Stephen Hawking, a man considered the equal of Einstein, has this to say about the Large Hadron Collider and what it may discover. He believes it “…could pose grave dangers to our planet…the God Particle (also known as the Higgs Boson Particle) found by CERN could destroy the universe.” (continued)

sfs · Nov 10, 2015

malvina said:
I am surprised that seeing we have several scientists here you aren't relating to CERN like as in my previous post
It has info given by top world scientists that can be read on several science sites - not just this one. Does their words and work not interest you?

I'm a scientist. When I was a particle physicist I knew many people at CERN, and many of my former colleagues work there now. A physics professor in my small group, who recently retired from MIT, worked there for many years. I'm sure they would all be surprised that they were involved in something satanic or apocalyptic. Echoing the comments of others, I too would like to know what specifically scientists have said. Their words interest me; statements about their words, not so much.

Armoured · Nov 10, 2015

malvina said:
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1:1).

“For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together” (Colossians 1:16 -17).

There is no machine anywhere on earth bigger or more powerful than the Large Hadron Collider, located at CERN in Switzerland. A collider that spans 17 miles in length; it is the most powerful particle accelerator every made and many eminent physicists believe that what scientists are doing there has the potential to destroy not just the world, but the universe itself.

Just to write such a thing seems ludicrous, “…the power to destroy the universe...” However, Professor Stephen Hawking, a man considered the equal of Einstein, has this to say about the Large Hadron Collider and what it may discover. He believes it “…could pose grave dangers to our planet…the God Particle (also known as the Higgs Boson Particle) found by CERN could destroy the universe.” (continued)

*wince* quote mining makes baby Jesus cry.

malvina · Nov 10, 2015

continued
Hawking goes onto say that the Large Hadron Collider is generating such unbelievable amounts of energy that there is a danger it could inadvertently create a “vacuum bubble.” Essentially he is saying that because the universe is fundamentally unstable, in discovering the Higgs Boson, such tremendous energy is released that space and time itself can collapse catastrophically through something called “vacuum decay.”

Heavy stuff indeed.

Neil de Grasse Tyson, physicist and Director of the Hayden Planetarium (and a prominent atheist), also believes, like Hawking, that the experiments being planned and conducted at CERN are a legitimate danger to the future of mankind.

Both these eminent scientists have sounded their warnings independently. Both of them are genuinely worried. Hawking has even suggested that the LHC and what they are doing there actually “scares him.”

Indeed, so dangerous that some scientists have even taken out lawsuits to prevent and restrain CERN from operating the LHC at full power until a comprehensive risk assessment of dangers is undertaken. The lawsuits have failed and no such risk assessments have ever been undertaken.

From recreating the Big Bang, to creating Dark Matter, to discovering and producing strange matter called quarks and stranglets – something that can only be done at almost unimaginably powerful high energy collisions to produce the conditions necessary to bring about actual time travel.

Each of these experiments are active and ongoing at the Large Hadron Collider at the point of this writing. Each has the potential to irrevocably damage the world in which we live. Each is being conducted without oversight by scientists incentivized to push the boundaries in the quest for results; peer recognition and ultimately a Nobel Prize.

However, all this information, disturbing though it is, does not disturb me as much as the admission by CERN’s very own Director General and its Director of Research. In giving interviews to the British Press, General Rolf Heuer has admitted that one of the key overall aims of CERN’s Large Hadron Collider is to open a portal to another dimension.

This is the reason they are so intent upon recreating the conditions of the so-called “Big Bang.” This is the reason they have worked so hard to double the power output of the Large Hadron Collider. They believe in the existence of other parallel and alternative dimensions (physics dictates that there are at least eleven of them), and they believe that in increasing the LHC’s power output and in recreating these conditions scientists can rip open the veil that separates the two.

In his comments, General Heuer stated his reasons for wanting to open this portal as follows, “…When we open the door, something might come through it into our reality! Or, we might send something through it into their reality!”

malvina · Nov 10, 2015

continued
Sergio Bertolucci, Director of Research and Scientific Computing at CERN has mirrored General Heuer’s statements almost identically in a briefing to reporters at CERN HQ in September 2009, “Out of this door might come something, or we might send something through it.” [1]

These are legitimate quotations from the General of CERN’s Large Hadron Collider and its Research Director. They are stunning. Stunning in their simplicity, in their childlike abandonment of consideration for risk and stunning in their arrogance and hubris.

There is a very good reason that in creating the known and unknown universe God kept various aspects separate. Why does no one at CERN with all their evident intellect ask the most basic of questions: Does anybody not think that this is inherently dangerous?

If General Heuer and Director Bertolucci’s comments really do reflect the ultimate aspirations of CERN, and we have no reason to believe they do not, then it is clear that their intention is to rip open the veil separating this world from other worlds or dimensions.

At this point a note of caution to those of us who believe such things are inconceivable. Recent discoveries in the field of quantum mechanics would seem to indicate that this might not be such a far-fetched thing. Quantum mechanics would seem to have recently proven that matter, when broken down to its smallest component part, lacks locality. This means that matter, when split and split and split to its smallest part, actually lacks a location. In other words it is everywhere at once.

This discovery has led to the startling and uncomfortable conclusion (for scientists) that the world we live in is some kind of a digital simulation, akin to a live, interactive hologram. The logical conclusion to be drawn from this is that the world and universe that we now occupy is a small part of a larger whole, the larger whole being the actual reality, not the one we currently occupy.

So incredibly shocking was this discovery to the scientists who discovered it that the project leader, a Nobel Prize winner, committed suicide because of its implications.

The implications are that this world is a created world which is constantly being kept and maintained by some kind of higher being. The second key implication is that there is another world, a real world, a world much greater than this known existence.

What is so shocking and paradigm shattering for scientists is, of course, a matter of fact for Christians. We know this Creator as our Lord and God and this other, larger world, is the spiritual realm in which He resides, and where our destiny as believers in Christ ultimately lies.

As Christians we already know that this universe is bound together by Jesus Christ Himself.

“But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise and the elements (atoms) will be dissolved with fire and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up” (2 Peter 3:10).

Armoured · Nov 10, 2015

Over to sfs.

malvina · Nov 10, 2015

The Greek word “elements” in this text is from the word “stoicheion.” It is translated as the building blocks of the universe or the “ordered arrangement of things.” The word “dissolved” is literally translated from Greek as “unloosed.”

This suggests that it is God actively holding the universe together and that if He were to relax His grip every atom in the universe would split from every other atom and the universe would destroyed by fire. This is just as physics teaches, yet physics holds that the binding of atoms together is from some as yet unknown, undiscovered force.

We know it is Jesus Christ.

The other dimensions spoken of by CERN’s Director General and its Research Director, are, I believe the spiritual realm. The Bible is specific about this realm. It is a place of battle between the forces of good and the forces of evil, and they are immensely dangerous places for human beings to be.

In 2 Kings 6, Elisha’s servant rose from his tent to discover himself and his master surrounded by a massive, hostile human army. After running in panic to Elisha, his master said confidently, “Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them” (2 Kings 6:16).

He then prayed for his servants spiritual eyes to be opened and the servant saw that “…the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha”(2 Kings 6:17). These forces were God’s forces of war.

In the book of Daniel the Prince of Persia, a high ranking fallen angel, was powerful enough that he was able to withhold God’s special envoy to Daniel for twenty one days, until the warrior Archangel Michael came to his aid, allowing him to progress with his message.

The apostle Paul himself was “caught up” into the third heaven, the spiritual realm and describes it in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4. Here Paul was permitted to see paradise but was not allowed to describe what he saw there.

John, the apostle of Jesus Christ “ascended” into heaven in Revelation 4:1. His experiences form the basis of the entire book of Revelation. It is interesting that Revelation describes the process of John going up to Heaven after “a door was opened.”

Elijah, the great Hebrew prophet of old was taken up into heaven in a “whirlwind” in 2 Kings 2:11.

Jesus tells us that individual angels are assigned to protect our individual children, “Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, that in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 18:10). Invisible angels from another dimension empowered to protect little ones, in this realm and the spiritual one which we cannot see.

The Bible tells us that toward the time of the end the spiritual battle in these heavenly places will increase in intensity. We are perhaps already seeing the encroachment of this spiritual realm into our own universe today.

The spiritual realm is real and the spiritual warfare that takes place there is real, something that is an anathema to these scientists. Could it be possible that these scientists inadvertently end up opening a portal or a door not to another dimension, but into the spiritual realm, perhaps even to the Bottomless Pit or the Abyss itself?

People today have become so desensitized to the supernatural that they have forgotten just how dangerous it can be. For most of humanity the existence of another realm, a spiritual realm is a mere fantasy. However, the Bible tells us it is real, more real than we can know.

Paul tells us that it is actually in this world that we fail to see things as they truly are, that the spiritual world is the real world, “…for now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known” (1Corinthians 13:12).

CERN has rebuilt the Large Hadron Collider to double the power of its 2009 version. It is due to come fully back online in September 2015. Coincidentally this falls exactly at the time of the biblical Feast of Trumpets.

The scientists at CERN seem to have no real understanding of how utterly dangerous the Large Hadron Collider really could be.

Revelation 9:1 -11

“The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth.

They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes. During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. They had tails with stingers, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon [that is, Destroyer].”

“Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss…” (Revelation 11:7a).

sfs · Nov 10, 2015

malvina said:
s the potential to destroy not just the world, but the universe itself.

Just to write such a thing seems ludicrous, “…the power to destroy the universe...” However, Professor Stephen Hawking, a man considered the equal of Einstein, has this to say about the Large Hadron Collider and what it may discover. He believes it “…could pose grave dangers to our planet…the God Particle (also known as the Higgs Boson Particle) found by CERN could destroy the universe.” (continued)

And here's what Hawking actually said:

Hawking writes that the particle “has the worrisome feature that it might become metastable at energies above 100bn giga-electron-volts (GEV),” reports CNET.

According to Hawking, the vacuum decay “could expand at the speed of light” and that this could “happen at any time and we couldn’t see it coming.” While that statement might be cause for alarm, Hawking acknowledges in the essay that this threat is highly theoretical. A particle accelerator that could even reach 100bn GEV would need to be larger than the Earth itself, and would “unlikely to be funded in the present economic climate.”

So Hawking's concern has nothing at all to do with CERN.

sfs · Nov 10, 2015

malvina said:
continued
Hawking goes onto say that the Large Hadron Collider is generating such unbelievable amounts of energy that there is a danger it could inadvertently create a “vacuum bubble.” Essentially he is saying that because the universe is fundamentally unstable, in discovering the Higgs Boson, such tremendous energy is released that space and time itself can collapse catastrophically through something called “vacuum decay.”

Heavy stuff indeed.

Since the previous quotation from Hawking proved to be highly inaccurate (basically, someone was lying to you about what he said), I'm going to have to ask to see his actual words in context.

Neil de Grasse Tyson, physicist and Director of the Hayden Planetarium (and a prominent atheist), also believes, like Hawking, that the experiments being planned and conducted at CERN are a legitimate danger to the future of mankind.

Ditto here.

Indeed, so dangerous that some scientists have even taken out lawsuits to prevent and restrain CERN from operating the LHC at full power until a comprehensive risk assessment of dangers is undertaken. The lawsuits have failed and no such risk assessments have ever been undertaken.

The only scientist I've found who participated in the lawsuit was a chemist. The suit failed because it had no scientific grounding. Higher energy collisions than those at the LHC occur all the time in nature without destroying us.

From recreating the Big Bang, to creating Dark Matter, to discovering and producing strange matter called quarks and stranglets – something that can only be done at almost unimaginably powerful high energy collisions to produce the conditions necessary to bring about actual time travel.

That last bit there, about actual time travel, makes it clear that the author has no clue about physics. It's nonsense.

However, all this information, disturbing though it is, does not disturb me as much as the admission by CERN’s very own Director General and its Director of Research. In giving interviews to the British Press, General Rolf Heuer has admitted that one of the key overall aims of CERN’s Large Hadron Collider is to open a portal to another dimension.

This is the reason they are so intent upon recreating the conditions of the so-called “Big Bang.” This is the reason they have worked so hard to double the power output of the Large Hadron Collider. They believe in the existence of other parallel and alternative dimensions (physics dictates that there are at least eleven of them), and they believe that in increasing the LHC’s power output and in recreating these conditions scientists can rip open the veil that separates the two.

In his comments, General Heuer stated his reasons for wanting to open this portal as follows, “…When we open the door, something might come through it into our reality! Or, we might send something through it into their reality!”

Again, where did he actually say this? You might note that the physics summary in what I've just quoted is again wrong. Additional dimensions are postulated in some particle physics theories, but they are not alternate universes that we can communicate with; they are curled up so small that you can't detect them.

malvina · Nov 10, 2015

sfs said:
And here's what Hawking actually said:

So Hawking's concern has nothing at all to do with CERN.

Hawking has said more than this about it that you have omitted He has spoken more than once about it. In fact there was info on his private site that revealed a lot more about Steve Hawking and the effect this knowledge of this has had on his life.
If you do a study on him and not just type one statement you will find out a lot more

Armoured · Nov 10, 2015

malvina said:
Hawking has said more than this about it that you have omitted He has spoken more than once about it. In fact there was info on his private site that revealed a lot more about Steve Hawking and the effect this knowledge of this has had on his life.
If you do a study on him and not just type one statement you will find out a lot more

Again, a quote would be useful.

Oafman · Nov 10, 2015

Here is what Hawking said:

Hawking said:
The Higgs potential has the worrisome feature that it might become megastable at energies above 100bn giga-electron-volts (GeV).

'This could mean that the universe could undergo catastrophic vacuum decay, with a bubble of the true vacuum expanding at the speed of light.

'This could happen at any time and we wouldn't see it coming.'

Pretty scary huh? But hang on OP, you've been keen in this thread to refer to the amount of energy being generated in the collisions at the LHC. So, maybe now is a good time to refer back to those numbers, and see whether or not any of them are as high as 100bn GeV.

If you're too lazy to do so, then the rest of Hawking's quote - which your conspiracy sites conveniently omitted - will save you the bother:

Hawking said:
'A particle accelerator that reaches 100bn GeV would be larger than Earth, and is unlikely to be funded in the present economic climate.'

"Larger than Earth"

So, the important question is whether or not you think the LHC is larger than Earth. If you think it is, then this could be an issue, and your whole thread is justified. If you think the LHC (which btw has a diametre of 27km) is not as large as the Earth, then everyone can relax.

THIS IS CERN'S SCHEDULE

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