This Is Boring.

[Trish1947]

When I went back and reread what I wrote, I could see how you would think I made that statement about Wof. Sorry.

What I meant was, the new move that the Holy Spirit is now doing (not Wof).

I understood what your were saying churchlady. No problems at all.. so no need to feel concerned..LOL. I spend more time myself, editing and re-editing thinking it didn't come out right.

 

[Preacherchick99]

*Reads some pplz post*

Umm, as for myself--I don't go on the P/C forums because #1--It's drama. #2--It's more drama. #3--I've had nothing but bad experiences from P/C ppl telling me that I need salvation and I'm going to hell--So therefore--I don't get all up in the madness and cast my pearls before swine

 

[Christina M]

*Reads some pplz post*

Umm, as for myself--I don't go on the P/C forums because #1--It's drama. #2--It's more drama. #3--I've had nothing but bad experiences from P/C ppl telling me that I need salvation and I'm going to hell--So therefore--I don't get all up in the madness and cast my pearls before swine

You have wisdom beyond your years, Preacherchick99

Stay strong!

 

[LittleRocketBoy]

Right....
A lot of mind games, dramatic monologues, and big time manipulation of emotions.
But the whole issue is that many are ruled by the soul. Emotions, ego, sensual feelings of acceptance and rejection.

*Reads some pplz post*

Umm, as for myself--I don't go on the P/C forums because #1--It's drama. #2--It's more drama. #3--I've had nothing but bad experiences from P/C ppl telling me that I need salvation and I'm going to hell--So therefore--I don't get all up in the madness and cast my pearls before swine

 

[Preacherchick99]

You have wisdom beyond your years, Preacherchick99

Stay strong!

Thanks gurly! Wisdom is something we all should believe God for. I always write on my tithe and offering envelope: "MORE Wisdom in Jesus Name!"

I like how it says in Psalms that wisdom is more precious than jewels and riches--Cuz it's true! Wisdom will get ya out of a lot of trouble--Godly wisdom that is

 

[kooolfriend]

Trish, I had really loved most of your insightful posts both in the Pc's and wof forums.
I agree with Dids, there's a lot we can discussed and learned from people that have the same foundation as you. What I like here is that you can say things without 'sugar' coating, thus you can go as far and as weird without people getting offended, feeling condemned as we don't walk by feeling but by faith...
Looking forward for your coming threads...

 

[LittleRocketBoy]

hi

Hello!
Do I see someone peeking out from behind a pew?
Come up to the front and introduce yourself!

 

[LittleRocketBoy]

Wow. You know I have thought this many times.
I prayed about this seeming "separation" many times because it bothers me. I know we love God, are His people, and are a part of the body of Christ... yet there are those out there who really do think we are heretics. Some even deny we are saved at all because they say we believe in *another* Jesus and preach a *different* gospel. Well they are correct we do... but ours is the correct one...

In some ways, I think what happened over there is a little taste of what is going to happen on a much larger scale in the church at large, when the awareness of this new move of God comes on the scene. It's just not out there enough yet for people to recognize it.



The WOF movement is not a new movement it is far from it in fact.

 

[probinson]

In some ways, I think what happened over there is a little taste of what is going to happen on a much larger scale in the church at large, when the awareness of this new move of God comes on the scene. It's just not out there enough yet for people to recognize it.

The WOF movement is not a new movement it is far from it in fact.

My pastor preached a sermon on this just a few weeks ago:

2 Timothy 3



Godlessness in the Last Days

1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.

6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth—men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.



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Now I've heard this passage of scripture my whole life, but it wasn't until this sermon a few weeks ago that I really understood what it was saying. I read the list of things that will happen in the last days and always just assumed that it was speaking of the world. But the part that I've bolded says that it will be church people that do this. Wow! What a revelation that was!





The Amplified says this in verse 5:

For [although] they hold a form of piety (true religion), they deny and reject and are strangers to the power of it [their conduct belies the genuineness of their profession]. Avoid [all] such people [turn away from them].


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So we can see that there are those that hold to "true religion", but they deny the power of God. Of course anyone mentioning the power of God will be attacked, because they are strangers to the power of God.



Further, we are instructed to "avoid all such people". We're not instructed to make them see our point of view. We're instructed to "have nothing to do with them".

The only reason I post in P/C is for those lurkers that never posts. I know I'm not going to convince any of those that deny God's power, but I also know that someone reading through that thread that runs upon a post of truth, if they're truly seeking for truth, will set off something in their spirit which will scream "YES!"

This is how my wife came out of her denominational background to WOF beliefs. I spoke truth in the face of her denomination, her family, her upbringing, and even though she'll tell you that she didn't understand fully what I was saying, when she came to my church and people were speaking in tongues and rolling around on the floor, she couldn't explain it, but she just knew in her spirit that it was right because she was seeking truth.

We may never know the impact we make on someone's life by posting truth in the face of doubt and unbelief, but that's the only reason I joined this forum. To be used of God to speak truth into people's lives that I would never have the opportunity to do otherwise. The fact that I am attacked and persecuted viciously just affirms to me that I'm on the right track. Jesus said beware when all men think well of you. I don't have that problem.

 

[Trish1947]

probinson....We may never know the impact we make on someone's life by posting truth in the face of doubt and unbelief, but that's the only reason I joined this forum. To be used of God to speak truth into people's lives that I would never have the opportunity to do otherwise. The fact that I am attacked and persecuted viciously just affirms to me that I'm on the right track. Jesus said beware when all men think well of you. I don't have that problem.

I know what you speak is true. I know that I'm supposed to be here. Because I am convienced that through all the mess that can occur, there are the silent readers in the background. Which if the Lord is working in them, all the embarrassment of peoples actions I hope won't even be noticed. How amazing this is true when the Holy Spirit has their attention.

 

[Christina M]

Don't you all think that so much of what is happening in the world in general is seeping, even pouring, into the church?

TOLERANCE..... SECULARISM..... PACIFICISM?

So few are willing to call a spade a spade....to speak out truth.

It's in politics. It's in the schools. It's in the churches.

If you say something, expose the truth, you are called "judgmental", "unloving", "racist", "bigot", "pharisical" or worse.

Like the time someone showed former prez Clinton an aborted fetus. There was so much indignation: "How dare you show THAT????" "How cruel, how disgusting!"..........yet how much more cruel & disgusting is the act of sucking a human into a sink? Funny how these same pro-choicers, ready to kill babies fight tooth & nail against the death penalty.... "How cruel to kill a murderer"... But killing an innocent little baby is OK??????

The above example is just one of many attitudes that have permeated the church.

I know one church where a man committed adultery, abused his wife, and cheated in business. The pastors knew he did all this and they did nothing. Their response when asked why they do not deal with the sin in their church: "Well, we don't want to be too harsh. We need to be loving."

Michael Savage says it best, as he YELLS: "We MUST take this country back!!!" It needs to start in the pulpit.

IMO

 

[Trish1947]

Christina....... It's in politics. It's in the schools. It's in the churches.

I believe we are in the days spoken of in the Word. Evil will be called good, and good, will be called evil. The turning of everything upside down. I think were living in the highway and hedges times of the Gospel, to compel them to come in. I really believe this.

 

[Christina M]

I believe we are in the days spoken of in the Word. Evil will be called good, and good, will be called evil. The turning of everything upside down. I think were living in the highway and hedges times of the Gospel, to compel them to come in. I really believe this.

I agree.

Based on this....... let me ask:

Should we all allow "them" to run us off the 'other' forum or should we continue to speak truth NO MATTER how much we are attacked? No matter how hard and hurtful it is?

I once said it was like casting pearl before swine and I was reprimanded by a mod for insinuating other Christians were swine.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Don't you all think that so much of what is happening in the world in general is seeping, even pouring, into the church?

TOLERANCE..... SECULARISM..... PACIFICISM?

So few are willing to call a spade a spade....to speak out truth.

Yeah, it's called apostasy. Well, not all hide the truth under a bushel. There are still some trying to speak the biblical truth out there, even if a lot of the church do not want to hear it or accept it .

 

[Trish1947]

Christina..... I once said it was like casting pearl before swine and I was reprimanded by a mod for insinuating other Christians were swine.

Well...........in my thinking I can see where they might misunderstand this. It's easy for the posters to misunderstand everything a person says.. I'd look at it, that were not trying to catch the swine, but trying to cure the blind. LOL.. But anyway I understand what you were trying to say.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

I agree.

Based on this....... let me ask:

Should we all allow "them" to run us off the 'other' forum or should we continue to speak truth NO MATTER how much we are attacked? No matter how hard and hurtful it is?

Keep speaking the truth, no matter how they disagree with you, or misunderstand you. If they don't get it after a few times, then "shake the dust off of your shoes"...so to speak. "Them"??? They are still our brothers and sisters in Christ, even if they have a difference of opinion.

 

[probinson]

Keep speaking the truth, no matter how they disagree with you, or misunderstand you. If they don't get it after a few times, then "shake the dust off of your shoes"...so to speak. "Them"??? They are still our brothers and sisters in Christ, even if they have a difference of opinion.

Unfortunately, there is very much an "us" and a "them" as 2 Timothy 3 clearly shows. "Have nothing to do with them". Who are "them"? "Them" are they who "...hold a form of piety (true religion), they deny and reject and are strangers to the power of it [their conduct belies the genuineness of their profession]. "

Now I do believe we need to speak the truth in love. That in no way means I think we should be tolerant of sin, nor do I think we should be compromising in our beliefs. But we do need to remember that we must have love. Without love, we are nothing.

I think sometimes, we (or at least I) get all fired up and because we are tired of people watering down the promises of God, we forget that we need to love our brothers and sisters. 9 times out of 10, people are just trying to follow God the best way they know how. They're not out to purposefully destroy or minimize God's power. They have been deceived. They don't know that God can and WILL heal them. They don't know that they can be prosperous. They need someone to show them, in love. Like BMN said, if they don't want to learn, there's not much we can do. But there are always those silent lurkers. Take a look sometime at one of the "hot-button" issues. 500 posts. 4,000 views! 8X as many more views as there are posts! Imagine the seeds that we're planting!

So I agree that we do need to present the truth, and I know that when we do this, it will hurt. It will expose the deception that is so rampant. It will show us everything in our lives that is wrong. But we need to make sure that our heart's motive is love for these people. Not to prove our point, or to show that we're right, but because we want the same blessings for others as we have. I think ALL of us could do better in this area.

 

[Christina M]

Unfortunately, there is very much an "us" and a "them" as 2 Timothy 3 clearly shows. "Have nothing to do with them". Who are "them"? "Them" are they who "...hold a form of piety (true religion), they deny and reject and are strangers to the power of it [their conduct belies the genuineness of their profession]. "

Now I do believe we need to speak the truth in love. That in no way means I think we should be tolerant of sin, nor do I think we should be compromising in our beliefs. But we do need to remember that we must have love. Without love, we are nothing.

So very true, Pete.

Hard part is what we speak in love is not received as in love.

At some point we DO have to shake the dust off our feet. Many hearing that will say we are jugmental and unloving. But we know what is true. God is a good God.

"Them"??? They are still our brothers and sisters in Christ, even if they have a difference of opinion.

But it is much much more than a "difference of opinion". It is a denial of the power of God!

 

[probinson]

So very true, Pete.

Hard part is what we speak in love is not received as in love.

At some point we DO have to shake the dust off our feet. Many hearing that will say we are jugmental and unloving. But we know what is true. God is a good God.

We should remember, Jesus said that he did not come to bring peace, but a sword. When we speak the truth, no matter how loving we try to be, there will always be those who take offense, get ticked off, call us heretics, etc. But our love for Him demands that we not compromise. I'm not my own. I've been bought with a price. I must speak the truth, no matter how many people attack me or condemn me. I simply don't have a choice in the matter.





I love this scripture. It gives me hope and causes me to keep on keepin' on!

Isaiah 54:17 (Amplified)

But no weapon that is formed against you shall prosper, and every tongue that shall rise against you in judgment you shall show to be in the wrong. This [peace, righteousness, security, triumph over opposition] is the heritage of the servants of the Lord [those in whom the ideal Servant of the Lord is reproduced]; this is the righteousness or the vindication which they obtain from Me [this is that which I impart to them as their justification], says the Lord.



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[Big Mouth Nana]

Unfortunately, there is very much an "us" and a "them" as 2 Timothy 3 clearly shows. "Have nothing to do with them". Who are "them"? "Them" are they who "...hold a form of piety (true religion), they deny and reject and are strangers to the power of it [their conduct belies the genuineness of their profession]

I do not believe that all in P/C are a "them". I have talked to people and had PM's from people in P/C telling me to keep speaking the truth....which I have tried to do. I associate the "them" in 2nd Timothy as those from what ever denomination refusing to accept healing, tongues, slain in the Spirit, prophecy etc. I haven't seen anyone in P/C denying the power of the Holy Spirit yet, but I might have missed "them," lol. Also, I DO believe that some come to P/C that aren't P/C just to make waves. You can tell it by their posts....descernment.

Now I do believe we need to speak the truth in love. That in no way means I think we should be tolerant of sin, nor do I think we should be compromising in our beliefs. But we do need to remember that we must have love. Without love, we are nothing.

Absolutely.

I think sometimes, we (or at least I) get all fired up and because we are tired of people watering down the promises of God, we forget that we need to love our brothers and sisters. 9 times out of 10, people are just trying to follow God the best way they know how. They're not out to purposefully destroy or minimize God's power. They have been deceived. They don't know that God can and WILL heal them. They don't know that they can be prosperous. They need someone to show them, in love. Like BMN said, if they don't want to learn, there's not much we can do. But there are always those silent lurkers. Take a look sometime at one of the "hot-button" issues. 500 posts. 4,000 views! 8X as many more views as there are posts! Imagine the seeds that we're planting!

Oh, I hear the watering down of Gods Word alright!!! Some from known Wofer's. It is not only in P/C, but on every forum that I have been in. It's like a yeast spreading. What you said reminded me of this verse...Titus 1:9 ~ Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. We can't do much exhorting on here though without getting a moderator on us....Exhort: To urge by strong, often stirring argument, admonition, advice, or appeal: You get to into your topic, they either report you, or try to make you look like a Spiritual idiot.