This Is Boring.

[probinson]

I do not beleive that all in P/C are a "them". I have talked to people and had PM's from people in P/C telling me to keep speaking the truth....which I have tried to do.

I don't believe all that are in P/C are a "them" either. But the "them" (gee, what bad grammar I seem to have today) are there. I too have recieved PM's and reps from the most unlikely of people, people arguing with me, telling me to keep speaking the truth. It's like, cool, or something! There are many good people in the P/C forums. But I do think there's some "them" there too.

I associate the "them" in 2nd Timothy as those from what ever denomination refusing to accept healing, tongues, slain in the Spirit, prophecy etc.

I assosciate the "them" in 2 Timothy as those who deny God's power. Those who will explain away why healing doesn't always work, or why we shouldn't prosper. They put their experiences above scripture. Those things diminish the power of God and in a nutshell, say, "God can, but He might not".

 

[J4Jesus]

Well what should we talk about? Since I said my goodbyes to the P/C/forum, I can't think of anything to say. The "problem" with this subforum, is most of us agree on things!! Can you imagine such a thing?
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Amen Trish!!


When we are in harmony and unity, expecting believing for great things from the Lord He moves in all His power and moves by His sprit to do signs wonders and miracles!


Acts 2:1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.





When the Lord does mighty miracles God is magnified and reverenced. It attracts people you can share the gospel with so they can be saved, healed and delivered.



Acts 19:14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. 15And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? 16And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. 17And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified. 18And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

"God can, but He might not".

I know for a certainty that God can, but He doesn't always, LOL. Not all healings are manifested in the flesh..people may have to die to have the ultimate healing...as is proven by those who didn't get healed while on the earth. God showed me a scripture several years ago when I was questioning why not all get healed when they have been prayed for, or believed for themselves...Isaiah 57:1-2 ~ The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. 2) He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness.
He said that He knows the beginning from the end, and see's what evil will befall a believer, so he just takes them home. He could stop it, but the most ultimate healing is getting off of this sin filled planet and shedding this flesh. So now when people don't get healed, I think, praise God, they went home.
This is how it reads inthe Amplified bible..THE RIGHTEOUS man perishes, and no one lays it to heart; and merciful {and} devout men are taken away, with no one considering that the uncompromisingly upright {and} godly person is taken away from the calamity {and} evil to come [even through wickedness].
Is 57:2 He [in death] enters into peace; they rest in their beds, each one who walks straight {and} in his uprightness.

 

[Tenebrae]

Some even deny we are saved at all because they say we believe in *another* Jesus and preach a *different* gospel. Well they are correct we do... but ours is the correct one...

Really? Does it line up with the word of God, then thats great, however I would ask, who are you to say that non word of faith people believe in the wrong gospel....

I dont know much about WoF, and I figure so long as you and I have the same core bel;iefs, thats cool however your statement is a little on the wierd side, is that something that is taught in Wof movement, in which case whats biblical basis for that teaching.

Note: not on the attack here, a newbie christian trying to understand.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Really? Does it line up with the word of God, then thats great, however I would ask, who are you to say that non word of faith people believe in the wrong gospel....

I dont know much about WoF, and I figure so long as you and I have the same core bel;iefs, thats cool however your statement is a little on the wierd side, is that something that is taught in Wof movement, in which case whats biblical basis for that teaching.

Note: not on the attack here, a newbie christian trying to understand.

Some may not agree with this, but we believe in speaking Gods Word over circumstances in our lifes. We have faith in the Word...Rom 10:8 ~ But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach
We also believe that we have power over the "defeated" enemy by blasting his ugly self with the Word. Whatever the Word says, we take it as the Sword of the Spirit in our lives where needed..Eph 6:16-17 ~ Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Jesus spoke the Word in situations, so we have that same authority as He did on the earth...Matt 12:49-50 ~ And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethern.!
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. Since He calls me His sister, that means that He is my brother. We have the same authority.

 

[Christina M]

Note: not on the attack here, a newbie christian trying to understand.

Hi wizeone,

Spend some time here and read and listen.......really investigate.... then make your decisions!

There are a lot of threads here if you want to learn about the REAL word of faith

 

[probinson]

I know for a certainty that God can, but He doesn't always, LOL. Not all healings are manifested in the flesh..people may have to die to have the ultimate healing...as is proven by those who didn't get healed while on the earth.

At the risk of starting another healing debate, I must respectfully disagree. I don't believe that it's God's will that anybody should die from sickness. This is what makes me "extreme" in this belief in the eyes of others. Now, I know we're all going to die. So please don't someone say, well, we'd have people that were 1,245 years old if people never got sick and died, because that's not at all what I'm saying. What I'm saying is I believe God's will for all of us if for us to complete what He has called us to do, satisfy us with long life, and then lie down peacefully to go home to be with the Lord. Obviously, not everyone attains this ideal, but I believe it is what God wants for all of His children.

As someone said in another thread, when someone uses the example of sister saintly who dies of cancer at age 54 after having lived a prosperous and healthy life, it still doesn't change the Word. Basically, what people are telling me is that I should take the experience of sister saintly over the faithfulness of God. I can't do that. I can't explain everything that happens. I don't have all the answers. But I trust God unconditionally.

I will go home to be with the Lord when I have completed all that He's called me to do. I will enter into His peace and His rest. I will not be gasping for my last breath. I will not be on 300 different medications. I will lie down and go home to be with my Father once He has satisfied me with long life here, so that I can be used of Him to win more souls for His kingdom.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

As someone said in another thread, when someone uses the example of sister saintly who dies of cancer at age 54 after having lived a prosperous and healthy life, it still doesn't change the Word. Basically, what people are telling me is that I should take the experience of sister saintly over the faithfulness of God. I can't do that. I can't explain everything that happens. I don't have all the answers. But I trust God unconditionally.
I will go home to be with the Lord when I have completed all that He's called me to do. I will enter into His peace and His rest. I will not be gasping for my last breath. I will not be on 300 different medications. I will lie down and go home to be with my Father once He has satisfied me with long life here, so that I can be used of Him to win more souls for His kingdom.

Then we as Christians have a real problem either understanding God, or as some say, we don't have enough faith...which I don't believe at all!! How do you explain all of the Christians who had faith who have died from cancer, heartattacks etc? Surely God isn't letting the Devil just take them out when they are standing on His Word in faith?
My belief is, I trust God completely no matter what. If I am laying at deaths door gasping for my last breath, it will be the Words, By His stripes I am healed coming between gasps. That to me is faith until the very end. I guarentee you that there are more faithful Christians dying with these diseases then just going to sleep healthy.

 

[Christina M]

How do you explain all of the Christians who had faith who have died from cancer, heartattacks etc? Surely God isn't letting the Devil just take them out when they are standing on His Word in faith?

I don't have all the answers......... but I do know it is not God's fault. Who knows what "standing on His Word in faith" means to one or another. I cannot answer for others, but I do know.......

God's Word is VERY clear..... long life, health, prosperity....all are ours.... IF we meet the conditions which are clearly outlined in the Word. And He isn't talking about only in heaven. "On earth AS IT IS in heaven."

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

I don't have all the answers......... but I do know it is not God's fault. Who knows what "standing on His Word in faith" means to one or another. I cannot answer for others, but I do know.......

God's Word is VERY clear..... long life, health, prosperity....all are ours.... IF we meet the conditions which are clearly outlined in the Word. And He isn't talking about only in heaven. "On earth AS IT IS in heaven."

I cetainly agree that He promised all of these things to us. Evidently most Christians aren't meeting the conditions in the Word, because we are all taking "dirt naps" with these diseases. If that is the case, then the church is in worse shape then I first thought. It doesn't change what the Word says no matter how we die. I have only heard of one story where a womans hubby died, and she asked God to take her home also. He asnswered Her prayer. They were up in years. She called her children in and told them that God was going to take her home at a certain hour, and she layed her head over on the couch and died. Our pastor told that story.
It would be great when our time is up on this earth to just go to sleep healthy, but that's not even realistic in this world. We can't even as the church have enough faith to raise the dead like Jesus said that we would be doing...greater works. They are having cases of that happening with the Africian Christians. There is something dreadfully wrong with the churches in America.

 

[Christina M]

Evidently most Christians aren't meeting the conditions in the Word, because we are all taking "dirt naps" with these diseases.

Never heard it called that!! So true.

I would love to know that I had lived totally in the conditions of the Lord....but I am making up for lost time... His conditions are not grievous, but it takes some of us some time to realize this......

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Never heard it called that!! So true.

I would love to know that I had lived totally in the conditions of the Lord....but I am making up for lost time... His conditions are not grievous, but it takes some of us some time to realize this......

LOL, I hadn't heard it called that before either. My sister Trish1947 said that one day while I was at her house, and I about laughed myself silly...Nana whispers.....Trish1947 is really not what she appears to be...SHE'S A NUT !!!!!!!

 

[chilifrankplate]

They are having cases of that happening with the Africian Christians. There is something dreadfully wrong with the churches in America.

There is something wrong, people are listening to those who are giving them reasons to doubt the word as being a perfect promise. I have absolute faith though that we are about to embark on a revival the likes of which have never been seen before! This is something that I have felt very strong in my spirit for several months now, and I have been hearing very similar things from several different prophetic sources that cause me to believe this is not just my imagination. I think we should all be praying for revival, earnestly seeking it. With events like this springs centennial celebration of the Azusa street revival, it's a very exciting time to be a part of. Can you imagine the power of thousands of christians gathered in one place to petition the throne of God for revival??

 

[Andrew]

Well what should we talk about? Since I said my goodbyes to the P/C/forum, I can't think of anything to say. The "problem" with this subforum, is most of us agree on things!! Can you imagine such a thing?

I wanted to make it plain to all you guys that nobody has run me off of P/C..I really get sort of scared for people and the things they say sometimes. Not directed at me, that does not hurt me, it's what they say about the Word. And feel that I might be contributing to their anger where some really bad things can be said. I feel like you have to walk a tightrope because if I'm causing a person to come unglued, even though you have said nothing out of line, abiding by the rules so to speak, and they still get angry, then don't I have to own up to creating the situation to begin with? Knowing that no matter what you say, they are going to get angry about it. So what can you discuss on P/C without certain ones getting angry? HIA?, no..Prosperity, no, glorifying God by being sick, no, the promises, no, eternal security, no, new creature, no. confession of faith, no, suffering and what sort, no..So I am now at a loss, because this is where my beliefs lie, this side of Heaven at least, when it comes to the Word of God.

Like to hear your thoughts on this.

I usu don't care much and just say it like it is, becos I know there will be one or two who get it!

I've received PMs before to thank me for the post, for standing up for the Word.

And yes, this sub forum can be a little boring at times becos we tend to all agree!

 

[Tenebrae]

Hi wizeone,

Spend some time here and read and listen.......really investigate.... then make your decisions!

There are a lot of threads here if you want to learn about the REAL word of faith

Thanks I appreciate people taking the time to explain...

But I also know words can be misintepreted hence why I put in the little disclaimers. It seems like WoF people get it in the neck and I wish to make it clear that I am actually asking a question, not attacking

thanks again

 

[probinson]

Then we as Christians have a real problem either understanding God, or as some say, we don't have enough faith...which I don't believe at all!! How do you explain all of the Christians who had faith who have died from cancer, heartattacks etc? Surely God isn't letting the Devil just take them out when they are standing on His Word in faith?

In yesterday's sermon at my church, we talked about Elijah. In 1 Kings 18 is the account of Elijah and the 450 prophets of Baal. Elijah shows the power of God and then SLAUGHTERS all 450 prophets of Baal. In the VERY NEXT CHAPTER, Jezebel threatens Elijah and this is what happens:

1 Kings 19:3-4
3 Elijah was afraid and ran for his life. When he came to Beersheba in Judah, he left his servant there, 4 while he himself went a day's journey into the desert. He came to a broom tree, sat down under it and prayed that he might die. "I have had enough, LORD," he said. "Take my life; I am no better than my ancestors."
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What?! Elijah has just seen God destroy the altar with fire from heaven. He just destroyed all 450 prophets of Baal! And now, this mighty man of God is afraid of Jezebel, hiding under a tree, praying that he would die?! Say what? Hey Elijah! You just saw a mighty demonstration of the power of God! You just took out 450 prophets of Baal! What are you afraid of?

How soon we forget God. Even though Elijah was a mighty man of God and even though he'd seen firsthand the power of God demonstrated, he still RAN! This is what happens to us. We get a victory, we praise God, and then something else comes against us and we forget that no weapon formed against us shall prosper. If it can happen to Elijah, we'd be naive to think it couldn't happen to us or sister saintly.

The point is, I don't have the answer to all the questions, but I can't take someone's experience over the Word of God. I can tell you from my own experience that when I doubt, I have problems. When I remember who my Daddy is and belief enters the scene, problems vanish.

 

[LittleRocketBoy]

Then we as Christians have a real problem either understanding God, or as some say, we don't have enough faith...which I don't believe at all!! How do you explain all of the Christians who had faith who have died from cancer, heartattacks etc? Surely God isn't letting the Devil just take them out when they are standing on His Word in faith?

Of course God lets them... He lets people go to hell, be sick, be impoverished, have demons.... all of that. Be it unto you according to your belief(or lack thereof). If they had had faith... they would not have gone to hell, died young, or been impoverish! Jesus said so. Who are we to believe? Those who "say" they have faith and die standing on God's word, or God? If God said "all you have to do is pay your dollar and you get in"... and you are not in... then the only logical conclusion is that you did not pay your dollar!
If I do not have it, I will tell you right out: I am missing it in my faith somewhere. No slap there. It is merely a diagnosis that something needs to be fixed.

My belief is, I trust God completely no matter what. If I am laying at deaths door gasping for my last breath, it will be the Words, By His stripes I am healed coming between gasps. That to me is faith until the very end. I guarentee you that there are more faithful Christians dying with these diseases then just going to sleep healthy.

Me too... but if I die young, it is because something is preventing me from actually believing, regardless of what words keep coming out of my mouth. I can train a parrot to say "by his stripes we were healed"... the parrot has no more faith than the post he sits on. If belief is there, we receive what we pray for. If we do not receive what we pray for... it is only (for whatever reason) because belief is not present in us.

 

[LittleRocketBoy]

Really? Does it line up with the word of God, then thats great, however I would ask, who are you to say that non word of faith people believe in the wrong gospel....

That is what we have been asking them for years.

I dont know much about WoF, and I figure so long as you and I have the same core bel;iefs, thats cool however your statement is a little on the wierd side, is that something that is taught in Wof movement, in which case whats biblical basis for that teaching.

Note: not on the attack here, a newbie christian trying to understand.

The gospel minus the cross and the body of the lord is only half the gospel. The same word that says we are saved by the blood of the lamb also says we are healed by the body of the lamb. I am not saying people who do not believe this are not saved...but they may not be healthy, and that is why.
We used to call our churches "full gospel" because we did not leave out all the promises that were made good by Jesus in His work. Many do. To teach a gospel and simply leave out the body of the lamb is not another gospel, it is just and incomplete gospel... but to teach a gospel that specifically leaves out the body of the lamb, that is teahnically "another" gospel because it steps on and denies the body of the lamb. They will still be saved, but they may be sick, weak, and die young because of it.

 

[Preacherchick99]

Really? Does it line up with the word of God, then thats great, however I would ask, who are you to say that non word of faith people believe in the wrong gospel....

Note: not on the attack here, a newbie christian trying to understand.

It's not so much the fact that they believe in the wrong gospel.

Really, anyone who gives their life to Christ and walks in love and actually seeks to have a relationship with God will get to Heaven.

As for us WOF ppl--We do all that--But we also activate our benefits as well.

So, therefore:

Christians--Go to Heaven

WOF Christians--Activate their benefits & Go to Heaven

I hope I'm making sense.

 

[Christina M]

As for us WOF ppl--We do all that--But we also activate our benefits as well.

Way to go, Preacherchick.... I've never heard it put that way! I like it!!

"We ACTIVATE our benefits!"