This Is Boring.

[Trish1947]

Well what should we talk about? Since I said my goodbyes to the P/C/forum, I can't think of anything to say. The "problem" with this subforum, is most of us agree on things!! Can you imagine such a thing?

I wanted to make it plain to all you guys that nobody has run me off of P/C..I really get sort of scared for people and the things they say sometimes. Not directed at me, that does not hurt me, it's what they say about the Word. And feel that I might be contributing to their anger where some really bad things can be said. I feel like you have to walk a tightrope because if I'm causing a person to come unglued, even though you have said nothing out of line, abiding by the rules so to speak, and they still get angry, then don't I have to own up to creating the situation to begin with? Knowing that no matter what you say, they are going to get angry about it. So what can you discuss on P/C without certain ones getting angry? HIA?, no..Prosperity, no, glorifying God by being sick, no, the promises, no, eternal security, no, new creature, no. confession of faith, no, suffering and what sort, no..So I am now at a loss, because this is where my beliefs lie, this side of Heaven at least, when it comes to the Word of God.

Like to hear your thoughts on this.

 

[LittleRocketBoy]

There are a couple people who frequent P/C who I find are absolute conversation killers. It seems no matter what you say or how nice you say it, they always come back with "I feel condemned" or "stop judging me". And of course if you dare say anything in response, you are considered the heavy, uncompassionate, and cruel. Of course I think that is the intention all along. It has worked for them all their lives and so here they are again and why not try it again?
Beyond that, there are other members who I call "baby pinchers" who have no scruples about pinching the afore mentioned babies and then pointing at you as if you did it. Kind of like the mischievous older brother who knows how to get his brother in trouble. And again, they do this on purpose. They simply do not know how to discuss issues objectively... and since they cannot "win" a debate based on the facts, they fall back to these devious methods to achieve their purpose... which is to shut down the conversation. If you cannot win... then pinch the babies, get them crying, and then nobody can get a word in edgewise. End of discussion.
They get very angry when I point these things out... even worse when I liken them to the atheists in GA. Same logic, same methods, same superficiality.

As far as discussion in WoF.. there are some very good uses of this forum which I have taken advantage of many times.
One is to use the forum as a study tool. Throw out ideas against people and get feedback. Explore possibilities. Suggest different possibilities. As you mentioned, people here do tend to agree with each other in most areas. Use this fact to your advantage. There are concepts and possibilities I have floated here that I can no where else because frankly, most people out in the suburbs do not have a clue as to what we are talking about. Know it or not, people in this subforum are heads to shoulders above them. I am not being arrogant.. I am just stating a fact. They don't believe in faith or the integrity of the word, so as far as I am concerned trying to carry on anything above a goo-goo conversation is just a waste of time. Most of them have no clue as to what I am talking about when I introduce a baby level topic like "revelation knowledge" or "confession of the word". So this forum is great because we speak the language of the word, and not the language of "mere theism". If I want pagan ideas, I will go to the suburbs. If I want people who know the word and what faith in God is all about, I come here. Of course some will read this and get offended...
what can you do?

 

[LittleRocketBoy]

Trish..
You are bright, intuitive, and knowledgable.
Don't you have ideas and concepts that you think about? Things that you might hide from most folks because you know you would get a negative response? For instance... not long ago I fought it out with VW about "belief comes by choice". I am sure you recall.
Now outside of the WoF people... nobody else even approached the subject with any knowledge at all. All I go from most was superfical droning regarding the "general attributes" and other pagan ideas. etc etc etc
But some had ideas that were genuine with great insight.
I suggest you use this forum to float these ideas.

 

[Trish1947]

LittleRocketBoy...There are a couple people who frequent P/C who I find are absolute conversation killers. It seems no matter what you say or how nice you say it, they always come back with "I feel condemned" or "stop judging me". And of course if you dare say anything in response, you are considered the heavy, uncompassionate, and cruel. Of course I think that is the intention all along. It has worked for them all their lives and so here they are again and why not try it again?

I have to agree with you on this one..its seems to be a pattern of go ahead and post your thoughts, but before you get any interested inquiries, those that will be the first ones to post is "your hurting me", or your just flat wrong, get everyone else jumping in, then the topic all of a sudden is "why are you condeming her or him..the subject just went south as far as any decent inquiries of what you were talking about. It's really sad.

 

[Evee]

Well I have found out for myself anyway, how am I going to learn something from someone who believes mostly like myself.
As I think of it I think it is adding division when everyone wants to seperate themselves.
There is no two people that believe exactly the same so why seperate.
The more I think of this the more I think it is a very bad idea.
I go to church of God but there are things even in the church I don't totaly agree with.
Even the atheist and christians get along and for the most part have respect for each other in apologetics.
Maybe I will wander back over there.
I think we should all get along and if we disagree and can't post respectfully then we could just ignore the poster.
This has been my thoughts lately.

 

[Trish1947]

Trish..
You are bright, intuitive, and knowledgable.
Don't you have ideas and concepts that you think about? Things that you might hide from most folks because you know you would get a negative response? For instance... not long ago I fought it out with VW about "belief comes by choice". I am sure you recall.
Now outside of the WoF people... nobody else even approached the subject with any knowledge at all. All I go from most was superfical droning regarding the "general attributes" and other pagan ideas. etc etc etc
But some had ideas that were genuine with great insight.
I suggest you use this forum to float these ideas.

I'll go through my brains cells and see what I can find. I appreciate your support, I really do. Some of them might be way out there ya' know. I am a thinker.. I'm not sure thats good or bad.,but usually keep it to myself. But I would feel like it would be a fair discussion and maybe a real disagreement to disagree would even be nice for a change.

 

[LittleRocketBoy]

I'll go through my brains cells and see what I can find. I appreciate your support, I really do. Some of them might be way out there ya' know. I am a thinker.. I'm not sure that good or bad.,but usually keep it to myself. But I would feel like it would be a fair discussion and maybe a real disagreement to disagree would even be nice for a change.

Don't sell yourself short. All revelation starts as what seems to be a hair brained idea. I used to get things that absolutely scared me silly. I thought I was going over the deep end. Noboby was seeing what I saw, and I seemed to be alone. But as time went by, it seemed a lot of people seemed to be hearing the same thing. Finally I discovered WoF and what do you know how do you do they read my book.
I know of few experiences more exciting than to receive what seems to be an off the wall idea and then suddenly see evidence for it all over the place. In my heart and mind that is one of the most convincing proofs of the word of the Spirit in my life. I share these things with people, and when they see them it seems like a light goes on in their eyes and I know they see it to. Really exciting.

 

[TheChristEffect]

Trish... I for one will miss you on the P/C forum.

The thing is... sometimes people just wanna spread out their negativity and anger and force it onto others and then the rest of us get in a dump.

But the thing is... we gotta know that just because we disagree with some things said doesn't mean we should get ourselves down.

The problem with any forum period, is that we have people who wanna get all the attention, or just be rude, or just give false doctrine... the list could go on of what type of person people can be.

Stand firm in your salvation, no matter what forum you go to.

I'm sure even though my beliefs are FAR different from WoF and that a lot of things you guys may say/believe may be like "WOW" to me and even if I see it differently, doesn't mean that I'm not gonna be there for you or anyone.

I just wanted you to know that I'm here and I agree that some people just plain outright destroy anything they walk past. (It's called "rotted" fruits instead of Fruits of the Spirit.)

 

[victoryword]

Trish..
You are bright, intuitive, and knowledgable.
Don't you have ideas and concepts that you think about? Things that you might hide from most folks because you know you would get a negative response? For instance... not long ago I fought it out with VW about "belief comes by choice". I am sure you recall.
Now outside of the WoF people... nobody else even approached the subject with any knowledge at all. All I go from most was superfical droning regarding the "general attributes" and other pagan ideas. etc etc etc
But some had ideas that were genuine with great insight.
I suggest you use this forum to float these ideas.

We had a big fight didn't we?

Yet, you are probably still one of the first people I would run to if I needed an ally in a good debate on healing, prosperity, and stuff like that. Heck, we can disagree and still be friends. My wife and disagree on many things, but that has done no damage whatsoever to our nearly 22 years of marriage. Heck, I'm not going to leave the woman just because she's always wrong (Just kidding. On the contrary, she is often right ).

If folks on the P/C forum would just debate our disagreements but still be friends, the forum would be fun. I can debate a person and still buy them lunch. Not sure why the folks on the P/C forum always have to take stuff so personally. It's not like an internet forum runs your life for goodness sakes.

 

[victoryword]

Trish... I for one will miss you on the P/C forum.

The thing is... sometimes people just wanna spread out their negativity and anger and force it onto others and then the rest of us get in a dump.

But the thing is... we gotta know that just because we disagree with some things said doesn't mean we should get ourselves down.

The problem with any forum period, is that we have people who wanna get all the attention, or just be rude, or just give false doctrine... the list could go on of what type of person people can be.

Stand firm in your salvation, no matter what forum you go to.

I'm sure even though my beliefs are FAR different from WoF and that a lot of things you guys may say/believe may be like "WOW" to me and even if I see it differently, doesn't mean that I'm not gonna be there for you or anyone.

I just wanted you to know that I'm here and I agree that some people just plain outright destroy anything they walk past. (It's called "rotted" fruits instead of Fruits of the Spirit.)

I appreciate posts like this, but mostly the bolded and italicized part.

 

[lemonade4ever469]

hi

 

[LittleRocketBoy]

Did you say you were going to buy me lunch?

We had a big fight didn't we?

Yet, you are probably still one of the first people I would run to if I needed an ally in a good debate on healing, prosperity, and stuff like that. Heck, we can disagree and still be friends. My wife and disagree on many things, but that has done no damage whatsoever to our nearly 22 years of marriage. Heck, I'm not going to leave the woman just because she's always wrong (Just kidding. On the contrary, she is often right ).

If folks on the P/C forum would just debate our disagreements but still be friends, the forum would be fun. I can debate a person and still buy them lunch. Not sure why the folks on the P/C forum always have to take stuff so personally. It's not like an internet forum runs your life for goodness sakes.

 

[Trish1947]

I don't mind the disagreements we have over beliefs. That's to be expected. It wouldn't be a forum if there weren't going to be disagreements. My husband and I, will have disagreements, but we never ask each other to leave, even after 42 years of marriage. It's when posting the differences end..then the reasons that you should leave begin, that I question. It seems to be a genuine dislike. When those that post that they want you to leave, there is already a separation in their thinking, that your not part of this body. This is what I'm trying to sort out.

 

[churchlady]

Beyond that, there are other members who I call "baby pinchers" who have no scruples about pinching the afore mentioned babies and then pointing at you as if you did it. Kind of like the mischievous older brother who knows how to get his brother in trouble. And again, they do this on purpose. They simply do not know how to discuss issues objectively... and since they cannot "win" a debate based on the facts, they fall back to these devious methods to achieve their purpose... which is to shut down the conversation. If you cannot win... then pinch the babies, get them crying, and then nobody can get a word in edgewise. End of discussion.
They get very angry when I point these things out... even worse when I liken them to the atheists in GA. Same logic, same methods, same superficiality.

You see this same thing in the political arena as well. If one party feels like they can't win an argument against the other party, they drag out the old 'you don't care about the poor or minorities' argument. Then some of the poor rise up against what they perceive as a just argument. I guess Satan uses the same tactics in all areas.

As far as discussion in WoF.. There are concepts and possibilities I have floated here that I can no where else because frankly, most people out in the suburbs do not have a clue as to what we are talking about. Know it or not, people in this subforum are heads to shoulders above them. I am not being arrogant.. I am just stating a fact. They don't believe in faith or the integrity of the word, so as far as I am concerned trying to carry on anything above a goo-goo conversation is just a waste of time. Most of them have no clue as to what I am talking about when I introduce a baby level topic like "revelation knowledge" or "confession of the word". So this forum is great because we speak the language of the word, and not the language of "mere theism". If I want pagan ideas, I will go to the suburbs. If I want people who know the word and what faith in God is all about, I come here. Of course some will read this and get offended...
what can you do?

I find this true wherever I go. I am forever grateful for what Wof has taught me. We are rich beyond measure for receiving what the Holy Spirit was doing in that movement. Concepts that we now find easy, some look at us with a blank stare, as if they never heard it. I guess it's that way with every move of God. After all, there are plenty of Christians without the Baptism of the Holy Spirit who completely closed off to that move of God. What we take for granted, they do without and think it's of the devil.

On another note, I'm glad you guys are right next door in this sub-forum where I can come and go. If you had left the forum completely, I would have been devestated as you have become dear to me.

I had thought of coming here too, especially when I found out that, not only were we asked to leave, but a couple of the people actually tried to get us booted off. But Kooolfriend talked me out of it because of the Healing thread. But I will be coming here daily now, just to see what you guys are doing, and posting when I can.

In some ways, I think what happened over there is a little taste of what is going to happen on a much larger scale in the church at large, when the awareness of this new move of God comes on the scene. It's just not out there enough yet for people to recognize it.

 

[Henry Ross]

In some ways, I think what happened over there is a little taste of what is going to happen on a much larger scale in the church at large, when the awareness of this new move of God comes on the scene. It's just not out there enough yet for people to recognize it.



The WOF movement is not a new movement it is far from it in fact.

 

[ShaunJ]

Considering that I mostly lurk everywhere I go and just read things I never get into any of these heated debates. I have decided long ago that most of it is a waste of time.

These forums are my home yet I lurk them as well. What can I say I'm a lurker. I only chime in when I feel I should.

As for the P/C forums I have almost stopped going there. I always find division and strife and I can get that anywhere else, so I choose not to join in the "fun".

From what I have seen you are one of the better posters from P/C Trish, one that always seems to have a clear grasp on the word. You will find that being with people that are like-minded is a bit more comforting and much more edifying then argumentative chaps.

 

[victoryword]

In some ways, I think what happened over there is a little taste of what is going to happen on a much larger scale in the church at large, when the awareness of this new move of God comes on the scene. It's just not out there enough yet for people to recognize it.



The WOF movement is not a new movement it is far from it in fact.

Amen!!!

It seems that very few people are aware of the FAITH-CURE Movement that came some many years before the Pentecostal movement where the men and women began discovering and teaching on the principles that we now label as "Word of Faith."

But even before then, there were seeds of these truths planted even by such stalwart determinists as martin Luther.

 

[Trish1947]

Amen!!!

It seems that very few people are aware of the FAITH-CURE Movement that came some many years before the Pentecostal movement where the men and women began discovering and teaching on the principles that we now label as "Word of Faith."

But even before then, there were seeds of these truths planted even by such stalwart determinists as martin Luther.

I agree, I suspect there is something deeper going on with these sort of attitudes towards faith.. I was thinking about this the other day..what does Satan have left to influnece and blind people with. He can't touch your sight after you die, so healing, blessings, all the other promises made to us in the here and now, if he can keep them blinded to God's truths, he can if your willing, make a persons life a misery. And when faith comes to full flower in the Body of Christ, and is seen by all, I believe this will be when full blown persecution will arise. I think it's just the tip of the iceburg.

 

[J4Jesus]

Hi Trish
I just want to say I always enjoy your posts. In my opinion, you make more sense than most on here

I can talk about the things of the Lord with others and it is very edifying and exciting. The fellowship with God's people is great.

But it seems on forums most want to argue, debate, "straighten you out" etc., instead of edifing others in the body of Christ. They do not have a teachable spirit and cause strife, divison and contention, which the Word tells us not to get involved in. For that reason I rarely go where they are debating because then the love and power of God does not flow through me if I get caught up in that.

If others would learn to walk in the Spirit and in love , instead of in the flesh, toward their brothers and sisters, most of this would be eliminated.

(We get along pretty good over here )

The Lord richly bless you. You have been a big blessing to me !

 

[churchlady]

In some ways, I think what happened over there is a little taste of what is going to happen on a much larger scale in the church at large, when the awareness of this new move of God comes on the scene. It's just not out there enough yet for people to recognize it.

The WOF movement is not a new movement it is far from it in fact.

When I went back and reread what I wrote, I could see how you would think I made that statement about Wof. Sorry.

What I meant was, the new move that the Holy Spirit is now doing (not Wof).