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The problem is that lucaspa always seem to forget to use the bible in his debates.

He changes the bible to conform to evolutionISM. I would love to know how lucaspa and the other Theo-Evos can tell just which verses to accept as truth and which one to accept as simple myths. If I quessed that they filter their bible through mans fallible science would I be right?
 
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Well I don't know bushido...when the bible says Adam was created from the dust in Genesis, then again in 1CO 15:47...I have to say my interpretation is pretty accurate.

When I study works done by other New Testament individuals such as Barnabus I find that barny also believed that man was formed from the dust just as mentioned in Genesis.
See Barnabus 6:9

So tell me why my interpretation is wrong?
 
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Whats wrong with light from a supernova?

..I predict the old....God deceived us if he created supernova light and no supernova.

Then again Jesus deceived us if he created wine...and used no grapes.

Then again bushidos last post clearly shows he filters his bible through mans fallible science.

Hey did I mention that the resurrection according to science was and still is impossible? Why don't you filter that story through your science? Hmmmmmmm
 
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Ummm...who believes Barnabas actually wrote Barnabas? A quick search of the internet might clear it up. Heaven forbid I give you any links.
 
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But He clearly stated what he was doing. It is CLEARLY recorded what he did. In your version of what happened, God created the appearance of dead stars for no particular reason.
 
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Ark Guy said:
The problem is that lucaspa always seem to forget to use the bible in his debates.
Not at all. I've used the Bible. Several times. You just conveniently forget when I do.

He changes the bible to conform to evolutionISM. I would love to know how lucaspa and the other Theo-Evos can tell just which verses to accept as truth and which one to accept as simple myths.
We've told you several times. Are you going to listen this time?

If I quessed that they filter their bible through mans fallible science would I be right?
Nope. What you keep insisting on is the Bible, not God. We simply don't worship the Bible. We remember that God really did create. That what science studies is also God's Word. We also remember that a literal interpretation is also man-made and is fallible.

So, to get to truth, you need both books of God. Not just one. When the two are in conflict, then Christians have always realized that this means that their interpretation of the Bible is wrong.

Listening this time, Ark Guy? Or are you going to repeat the same old canard again in a couple of days?
 
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Ark Guy said:
Whats wrong with light from a supernova?

..I predict the old....God deceived us if he created supernova light and no supernova.

Then again Jesus deceived us if he created wine...and used no grapes.
We've addressed both these points in other threads. You never discuss our points but simply repeat the same old refuted claims again here.

Is a photocopy a deception? The wine was a photocopy. But to make it appear that there was a supernovae when there was none is just plain deception.

Hey did I mention that the resurrection according to science was and still is impossible?
You've mentioned it several times. And each time we've shown you that you have the wrong view of science and the Resurrection is not impossible at all. Again, you don't answer our responses, but simply keep repeating the same old false witness again and again. Let me use the Bible, Ark Guy. Isn't what you are doing against the 9th Commandment?
 
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But He clearly stated what he was doing. It is CLEARLY recorded what he did. In your version of what happened, God created the appearance of dead stars for no particular reason.

No, he actually created the dead star, or what would have been the dead star.

Who are you to claim he had no particular reason? Were you there during the creation? Do you know the mind of God?
 
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No, he actually created the dead star, or what would have been the dead star.

Who are you to claim he had no particular reason? Were you there during the creation? Do you know the mind of God?
If he created the dead star, then he fabricated the phenomena that shows us the act of the start dying. The star never died (which is what we see it do) but was dead all along. Is that your position?

We don't see just a dead star, we see the process of the star dying (which apparently never happened if God created the star already dead).
 
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Did He also create fossils that date back before 6000 years ago? Why do we assume that logic and faith are mutually exclusive things? Certainly, God gave us free will and the ability to think so that we could do so. Why would He then put a whole bunch of stuff in the world that would contradict the gift the He gave us... Is this like an Abraham and Isaac thing? Are we having our faith tested?... or, are our scriptures, that were all written by humans, maybe just a little bit dated, in terms of the cosmology and creation theories that they use.

Peace.

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lucaspa, your off your rocker (moderators, can I say that?)
No, you can't. You can say my ideas are wrong. But this simply says that I am insane. That is flaming. I reported the post.

The bible claims something, then backs it up in other portions of the bible..and you claim it ain't so.
And I gave the reasons why I claim it ain't so. And the reasons and data that contradict your claims about the Bible.

WHY? because you filter your bible through mans fallible science.
Ark Guy, who created? What did God create? Didn't God create the physical universe? What does science study? The physical universe! What you call "man's fallible science" is God's Book of Creation. Science reads it somewhat like we read the Bible.

And, of course, mans fallible interpretation of the Bible is always correct, right? Ark Guy, why do you have such a difficult time seeing that your interpretation of the Bible is something that is man-made and fallible?

One more time. Perhaps this time you will address the issue:

The Bible plainly says in Hebrew in Job 26:7, I Chronicles 16:30, Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, and Psalm 104:5 that the earth is immovable. Yet you filter this through "mans fallible science" and decide it is not literally true, because science has shown that the earth does indeed move in its orbit around the sun and the sun moves in its orbit in the Milky Way galaxy. So, you too filter the Bible thru "mans fallible science". Pot, meet kettle.

Now, why should I not filter Genesis 1-3 thru science like you filtered the other verses?
 
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No, he actually created the dead star, or what would have been the dead star.
What "would have been" a dead star isn't one in reality, is it? It's an illusion.

Now, if God can create this type of illusion -- of something that never existed and that which He didn't have to create at all -- what is to prevent Him from creating the illusion that Jesus was resurrected? It destroys trust in God.

Who are you to claim he had no particular reason? Were you there during the creation? Do you know the mind of God?
The Bible has a long history of men questioning God. It is permissible. David even argues with God and gets God to change His mind about killing all the cattle of the Amelekites.

What this is saying is that you don't have any idea why God would do this, either. What you are going to do is trust God even when the reason for that trust is gone. If that is the case, why don't you also trust Satan? Satan violates your trust by deception, doesn't he? And you don't trust him for that. Sauce for the goose.

However, Ark Guy, there is a way out of your problem. You get to keep your trust in God, God gets to stay trustworthy, and everything is OK. All you have to do is give up your fallible interpretation of Genesis 1-3. Why are you so loyal to that interpretation over loyalty to God?
 
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