This guy is a complete idiot

[childeye 2]

They are already in the system...I am speaking of those curious and watching videos on Youtube as a beginning...they might be discouraged if they see this video!

For what it's worth, it might be useful if Christians would practice articulations that convey the Gospel as a revelation from God according to His purpose, His foreknowledge, and unto His Glory (That's what scripture does).

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

if a single video discourages someone, they are not curious or serious.

but even then, what’s the solution? telling people who would find a dumb video to be dumb doesn’t actually do anything.

I think if they are in the same world as the author of the video then they are more likely to agree with him even if they are curious...and it would stop there.

 

[ArmyMatt]

I think if they are in the same world as the author of the video then they are more likely to agree with him even if they are curious...and it would stop there.

if they are curious, it won’t stop there. someone who is actually curious would see what the Orthodox think from the Orthodox.

 

[The Liturgist]

For what it's worth, it might be useful if Christians would practice articulations that convey the Gospel as a revelation from God according to His purpose, His foreknowledge, and unto His Glory (That's what scripture does).

I’m sorry, what? I don’t understand what you are saying relative to the subject matter of the thread.

 

[childeye 2]

I’m sorry, what? I don’t understand what you are saying relative to the subject matter of the thread.

The video states there is a false Gospel being promoted yet speaks against infallibility and reverence to Icons as if they have something to do with the Gospel. To elaborate further upon my post, the Gospel is a revelation from God which necessarily means that The Holy Spirit is present with the believer as they come to see and believe. Again, infallibility and Icons have nothing to do with the event of receiving Christ through the preaching of the Gospel.

 

[The Liturgist]

The video states there is a false Gospel being promoted yet speaks against infallibility and reverence to Icons as if they have something to do with the Gospel. To elaborate further upon my post, the Gospel is a revelation from God which necessarily means that The Holy Spirit is present with the believer as they come to see and believe. Again, infallibility and Icons have nothing to do with the event of receiving Christ through the preaching of the Gospel.

Are you a member of the Eastern Orthodox Church? (or the Oriental Orthodox for that matter) If so, please explain what you mean, because I still don’t get you.

If not, you can ask us anything about our faith on this forum: St. Basil the Great's Hall

or you can debate any aspect of Eastern Orthodoxy in this forum: St. Justin Martyr's Corner: Debate an Orthodox Chr

I can post a thread for you if you wish to address this issue specifically, if that would help.

As an Eastern Orthodox, I am humbled by the piety of my brethren* on ChristianForums who have made this subforum the only congregational forum on this entire site (to my knolwedge) that provides a space, St. Justin Marty’rs Corner, where non-Orthodox can debate our doctrines; we also offer another forum, St. Basil’s Hall, where anyone can ask us any question they want about our faith.

*I could also say “I’m proud of them”, but in Orthodox Christianity we try to avoid pride; I object to the “LGBTQ Pride” movement not only because it promotes sexual immorality but also pride, a dangerous passion.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

if they are curious, it won’t stop there. someone who is actually curious would see what the Orthodox think from the Orthodox.

maybe...and maybe not

 

[ArmyMatt]

maybe...and maybe not

if someone is looking into a particular faith but doesn’t want to talk to the members of that faith, they are not curious or serious about it.

 

[childeye 2]

Are you a member of the Eastern Orthodox Church? (or the Oriental Orthodox for that matter)

I see the church as the body of Christ on earth in unity through the Holy Spirit and the Christ Jesus, being the head, is in heaven above sitting at the right hand of the Father God Almighty --->The Eternal Power. Whatever divisions have occurred between congregations, I would surmise that they are disputes built upon misunderstandings of terms we use to express our sentiments. Words can sometimes be feeble things due to subjective perspectives. I therefore do not claim to be of any denomination because there is only one body of Christ, and I do not want to project otherwise.

If not, you can ask us anything about our faith on this forum: St. Basil the Great's Hall

I try NOT to think in terms of "our" faith or "their" faith. While I understand you're speaking about the denomination/congregation you participate in as a "faith", I also see that such an articulation presents a premise that there are many faiths.

To be clear as to why this is problematic, I would explain by saying the term "faith" in the linguistics of my thought's is a sentiment expressing "trust" that is directly pointed at God the Father maker of heaven and earth, the Eternal Power. If it is not pointed at Him, His Person depicted as trustworthy, then it is not faith. Hence, because there is only One Most High God, there can only be one Faith/Hope/Love. If perchance I were to say "your" faith or "my" faith, I would be talking about my measure of trust in God and your measure of trust in God, which is a matter of degrees rather than my doctrine or your doctrine.

or you can debate any aspect of Eastern Orthodoxy in this forum: St. Justin Martyr's Corner: Debate an Orthodox Chr

I appreciate your helpful guidance. I didn't come here to debate. I posted a suggestion about terminology and how the Gospel should be presented as a revelation of God's Person in the Christ. A false Gospel would therefore present a false image of god.

I can post a thread for you if you wish to address this issue specifically, if that would help.

Thank you, that is kind of you in all sincerity. But no, I see no issue other than my desire to point out that the person in the video is mistaken when inferring that doctrines concerning reverence towards Icons or infallibility has anything to do with the Gospel.

If so, please explain what you mean, because I still don’t get you.

I don't see how any doctrine about infallibility or reverence towards Icons, in any congregation, has anything to do with the Gospel because the preaching of the Gospel is the means God has chosen to reveal the Christ to the world. While doctrines have been derived from it, it is not actually a doctrine but a declaration of an event in time that happened depicting an incorruptible Love being crucified on a cross by a wicked world.

As an Eastern Orthodox, I am humbled by the piety of my brethren* on ChristianForums who have made this subforum the only congregational forum on this entire site (to my knolwedge) that provides a space, St. Justin Marty’rs Corner, where non-Orthodox can debate our doctrines; we also offer another forum, St. Basil’s Hall, where anyone can ask us any question they want about our faith.

I agree, that is really cool. I was brought up in the Roman Catholic congregation and they tend to frown upon asking questions. I have found few people who would take the time to address my sincere concerns about doctrine. Although they ended up agreeing with me when I pointed out the problems, they also indicated it was futile to expect that there would be any changes.

*I could also say “I’m proud of them”, but in Orthodox Christianity we try to avoid pride; I object to the “LGBTQ Pride” movement not only because it promotes sexual immorality but also pride, a dangerous passion.

I was taught that those who actually see (spiritually), can see that those who are blind can't see. And subsequently those who are blind, cannot see that those who are not blind, can see. There's always the danger of getting puffed up because of knowledge, and such is vanity. This teaching provides a circumspect that is not judgmental. Therefore, I loathe to judge others, for I will be judged by what measure I use to judge others. I only owe it to love others as I would want to be loved.

John 9:39
And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

As for sexual immorality, the same can be said. For those who are given over to inordinate passions are enslaved whether they be gay or heterosexual. I therefore conclude that virtue is a power from God and not a product of any person's volition.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

if someone is looking into a particular faith but doesn’t want to talk to the members of that faith, they are not curious or serious about it.

So you know that for everyone? I can't make an absolute statement like that. Even if we loose one person because of that video, that is fine with you because they were not really curious or serious in your opinion...OK. Someone could be curious, watches that video first and is instantly discouraged. Gone.