This election in Biblical prophecy? (moved)

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I am wondering about this election in prophecy. I know there is suppose to be a one world government which the election of Hillary would continue in that direction.

I also know in the end times there is a Babylon...according to scripture Babylon has walls around it. Could Trump be the one to build walls around the US, and the US morph into the end time Babylon?

Does anyone see any resemblance of this election in Biblical prophecy? Thoughts?
 

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Does anyone see any resemblance of this election in Biblical prophecy? Thoughts?

No. Although if Trump finds out about prophecy involving a harlot, he'd check it out.
 
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The US has no place, zero, nadda, zip doodily in end times prophesy.

That is just the simple truth. All prophetic words have to do with nations in the Middle East.
 
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Some people say Babylon is the Us even to the point of calling the statue of liberty as a sign of the great harlot. I don't adhere to that, but if it were true Babylon has walls around it. I don't understand how the US is totally out of prophecy since we are a people, mostly gentile, but I can relate to someone feeling that way.
 
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Why would the election of Clinton but not of Donald continue it in that direction?
The way I see it is Trump says he will put America first. Hillary is more in line with global new world order.

Maybe you see something I don't. How would Trump be in line with one world government?

Sure he could flip flop, but either could I suppose.
 
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Simple reading answers the question if the US is Babylon

And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”
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Revelation 16:19
Now the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
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Babylon is a walled city - the US in an unwalled nation - hope that helps.
 
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There are no writings that speak of the US, or Canada, or Mexico, Or the Artic Circles, or Australia, or South America, or......

It doesn't mean a mistake was made, only that there was nothing to say about them. The end times has to do with Israel and the surrounding nations. Which will impact the entire world. It's that simple.
 
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I'd say Babylon is most likely Babylon.
Well the Babylon in Revelation is a mystery.
Revelation 17:5 KJV
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH .

And since the actual city Babylon has been destroyed, I would guess it is a mystery.

Some people say it is the Vatican, which does have walls around it. I don't know that I believe that..just what some say.
 
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Well the Babylon in Revelation is a mystery.
Revelation 17:5 KJV
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH .

And since the actual city Babylon has been destroyed, I would guess it is a mystery.

Some people say it is the Vatican, which does have walls around it. I don't know that I believe that..just what some say.

The verses are written Allegorically - you cannot literally interpret an allegory.
 
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The verses are written Allegorically - you cannot literally interpret an allegory.

Allegories are intended to be interpreted. John of Patmos used "Babylon" as a code word for the city of Rome and its Empire.
 
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Allegories are intended to be interpreted. John of Patmos used "Babylon" as a code word for the city of Rome and its Empire.

And how do you come to that conclusion using scripture?
 
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From the historical context.

And there is were error by the thousands lie. You cannot take allegorical text and make definitive statements out of them. The best you can do is an educated guess as to what something might mean. not even remotely accurate.
 
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Well for one thing, if this "one world government" is in prophecy, I don't see how it would make a lick of difference who is elected to office.
It wouldn't make a difference. Some of us do like to kind of keep an eye on how things are playing out. If America veers off course for a period it might mean the end is not as close as it could be if we stay in that direction.

There are some people, I have read, that actually think the end will begin before Obama leaves office. In other words the rapture.

We are, as Christians, told to watch and pray we are worthy to avoid the horrible things that will occur toward the end of time.

While it won't make a difference one way or another on the plans of God. Some of us just like to keep a heads up by watching.
 
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I am wondering about this election in prophecy. I know there is suppose to be a one world government which the election of Hillary would continue in that direction.
No it won't.
I also know in the end times there is a Babylon...according to scripture Babylon has walls around it. Could Trump be the one to build walls around the US, and the US morph into the end time Babylon?

Does anyone see any resemblance of this election in Biblical prophecy? Thoughts?
Nope.
 
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I also believe globalization is inevitable. The Bible predicts it and since childhood I remember wondering about it.

I don't think it impossible to take a step back from it though. Taking a step back could never stop it, but perhaps delay it in our eyes. It would only seem to be a delay since God's plan is perfect and on time.

He is so patient with us.

2 Peter 3:9 KJV
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
 
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I am wondering about this election in prophecy. I know there is suppose to be a one world government which the election of Hillary would continue in that direction.

I also know in the end times there is a Babylon...according to scripture Babylon has walls around it. Could Trump be the one to build walls around the US, and the US morph into the end time Babylon?

Does anyone see any resemblance of this election in Biblical prophecy? Thoughts?

kingskid, election is a foundational concept in the Scriptures. In actuality, God elects or chooses people before the foundation of the world (Eph. 1:4, Gal. 1:15, Jer. 1:5). That God elects is simply God choosing. Do we make choices? We are not greater than God, are we? God is able also to make choices and carry them out.

God's ability to declare His purpose in advance and carry it out is prophecy fulfilled.

“"I have not spoken in secret,
In some dark land;
I did not say to the offspring of Jacob, 'Seek Me in a waste place';
I, the LORD, speak righteousness, Declaring things that are upright. "Gather yourselves and come;
Draw near together, you fugitives of the nations;
They have no knowledge,
Who carry about their wooden idol
And pray to a god who cannot save. "Declare and set forth your case; Indeed, let them consult together.
Who has announced this from of old? Who has long since declared it?
Is it not I, the LORD?
And there is no other God besides Me,
A righteous God and a Savior;
There is none except Me.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭45:19-21‬ ‭NASB‬‬

“"They lift it upon the shoulder and carry it;
They set it in its place and it stands there.
It does not move from its place.
Though one may cry to it, it cannot answer;
It cannot deliver him from his distress. "Remember this, and be assured;
Recall it to mind, you transgressors. "Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is no one like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done,
Saying, 'My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all
My good pleasure';”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭46:7-10‬ ‭

Notice chiefly that God's foretelling is the way that He differentiates Himself from vain idols. And why not? We all have made plans and carried them out. But the God of the Bible has put them in His book for all to see.

From another angle, as it pertains to people, election is directly related to grace. It is God acting freely to choose one person or nation for His reasons, completely without regard to human merit. If you are truly a Christian, you know in your heart your unrighteousness and it is the most humbling thing to you that God would choose you. But that is His prerogative entirely.

This is where the fur hits the fan. God's election, or grace, is hated by the natural man because it rules out any activity by which a person can be justified before God. Also, it abrades our egalitarian sensibilities concerning justice; we would have chosen this honourable person over that bum, wouldn't we?

Without prolonging this answer, individual salvation is one example of election/grace, but the clearest example in Scripture is the call of Abraham and his descendants. This election of Israel is the linchpin of all the turmoil in the Middle East today. Without this covenant context, that conflicted crucible is a hopeless enigma that defies geopolitical, sociological, ethnic or religious explanations.

The principalities and powers froth and foam because they know what Zion means - the locus of the Kingdom of God on earth, and going forward, their animus for God and His election is furiously directed at the destruction of the Jewish people, a trend that anyone can see is increasing worldwide.

“Why are the nations in an uproar
And the peoples devising a vain thing? The kings of the earth take their stand And the rulers take counsel together Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying, "Let us tear their fetters apart
And cast away their cords from us!"
He who sits in the heavens laughs,
The Lord scoffs at them.
Then He will speak to them in His anger And terrify them in His fury, saying, "But as for Me, I have installed My King
Upon Zion, My holy mountain."”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭2:1-6‬ ‭NASB‬‬

If you take the Old Testament as authoritative in its own right, Zion only means one place. To assert, as many do, that Zion is now the church is to sever the meaning of Zion from its natural context and usage throughout the older scriptures, and to gloss over vast amounts of prophetic detail concerning not only the judgment but also the restoration of this city that represents Israel. To dispense with the Divinely foretold destiny of the physical Zion is to decisively move in a gnostic and docetic (denying the reality of Jesus' physical body) direction.

Here is a statement by a Scottish divine from the 19th Century that chokes me up every time I read it because of his attitude toward the Scriptures, and in particular, regarding the worth of prophecy. I dare say his attitude of reverence would make for far less disagreement about future things if we shared it.

An Excerpt from "The Call to Prophetic Study"
In Horatius Bonar's classic, Prophetical Landmarks

"Man's thoughts about the future and the unseen are of little worth. They are at best but dreams; no more than the blind guesses of fancy. They approach no nearer to the truth than do a child's conjectures regarding the history of some distant star, or as to the peopling of space beyond the outskirts of the visible creation.

But the thoughts of God respecting the future are precious above measure. They are truth and certainty, whether they touch upon the far-off or the near, the likely or the unlikely. They are disfigured with no miscalculation, for they are the thoughts of the great Designer regarding His own handiwork. They are the thoughts of an infinite mind; and they are the thoughts of that mind upon a subject utterly inaccessible to us, but entirely familiar to Him who sees the end from the beginning, and whose wisdom has prearranged the whole.

These thoughts of God about the future are what we call prophecy, and in studying prophecy we are studying the thoughts of God, the purposes of His heart. Of these His secrets, He is not unwilling that we should be partakers; nay, He has spread them out before us, He has recorded them for our use, and deep must be the guilt, as well as incalculable the loss, of those who turn aside from such a study; who will listen with some interest, perhaps, to man's ideas of what is coming to pass on the earth, but never think of inquiring what is the mind of God."
 
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