Third Temple is a Wrong Teaching

[JLB777]

He also forgot about Revelation.

Rev_1:7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.

Yes Sir!

I mentioned that very thing in my second line, by saying -

This same John who recorded the words in John 19.... Also wrote in the book of Revelation many years later....


JLB

 

[JLB777]

What I'm not doing is not asserting anything that the apostle's didn't. He taught them 40 days between the Res and Pentecost how to use the OT. I guess he forgot the part on Zech. Or at least the ones that futurists keeping banging on about.

Our friend here, BW, a published author, does the same thing. He spends about 90% of time on the passages the apostles did not speak about. Very curious.

I'm not removing anything by scissors. What I'm doing is finding out the patterns they used FIRST and then going elsewhere. I don't "have to" know what every single OT prophecy was supposed to mean. There is enough to do with 2500 quotes and allusions already.

The Apostle John referred to Zechariah 12:10 in the book of John, and in Revelation.


JLB

 

[Interplanner]

That does not mean it was in the distant future.

Your assumption is that the Rev is about the distant future. There are several things about the Rev that pull it back to its own times, including its opening chapter saying 3 ways that it was for immediate use.

 

[OneAccordRM]

That does not mean it was in the distant future.

Your assumption is that the Rev is about the distant future. There are several things about the Rev that pull it back to its own times, including its opening chapter saying 3 ways that it was for immediate use.

Rev_1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

 

[Interplanner]

I'm glad you can quote! I'm impressed. Now go a little further. Why stop there?

 

[briancfcf]

The Apostle Paul always taught that God's Temple during the New Testament Era would be His people, and the Temple for the believer is the Lord Jesus Christ in heaven.

Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

This means that Ezekiel's temple is the Lord Jesus Christ, which is a Temple that has been built by God's hands and not man's hands. And so, once God's temple falls away from Biblical truth then the man of sin would be revealed within His New Testament Temple. And this means that all of this occurs within the corporate Church, and not the State of Israel.


Source: endtimesalert.com

We are indeed the Temple of God.

What does that have to do with the temple described by Paul, in his letter to the Thessalonians?

Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God...And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4,8


How does a "man" of sin occupy all of the body of Christ at the same time?

Are you trying to teach us that a "man of sin" is somehow Omnipresent, and can be everywhere at once like God?

A physical man can not be "in" all the individual believers that make up the Temple of God, a dwelling place in the Spirit.


JLB

> You are asking these questions with your Antichrist in mind, but what if that translation of Scriptures is wrong? There are many things wrong with that translation!


^ How does a "man" of sin occupy all of the body of Christ at the same time?

Within the corporate Church there are people that dwell in the flesh or in the Holy Spirit. Wherein a man dwells determines the nature of the man. So here we can see two different natures within the corporate Church at the same time.



^ Are you trying to teach us that a "man of sin" is somehow Omnipresent, and can be everywhere at once like God?

A man of sin is a man of sin: Is not sin everywhere? Is not the flesh everywhere?



^ A physical man can not be "in" all the individual believers that make up the Temple of God, a dwelling place in the Spirit.

The corporate Church is the physical manifestation for the body of Christ Jesus upon the earth, as a representation of His body. The Lord Jesus Christ in heaven is the Head of the corporate Church (suppose to be), and the physical Church is suppose to obey the Head, but when the body becomes disobedient to the Head then there is a falling away from Truth.

 

[OneAccordRM]

> You are asking these questions with your Antichrist in mind, but what if that translation of Scriptures is wrong? There are many things wrong with that translation!

Can you point out the error in the translation?

2Th_2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2Th 2:3 μη τις υμας εξαπατηση κατα μηδενα τροπον οτι εαν μη ελθη η αποστασια πρωτον και αποκαλυφθη ο ανθρωπος της Aανομιας αμαρτιας ο υιος της απωλειας

"Man of sin"
ἄνθρωπος ἁμαρτίαα

 

[Interplanner]

Read "temple" in the normal 1st century sense and it will make sense. He means a building someone has to go to and stand in.

 

[JLB777]

> You are asking these questions with your Antichrist in mind, but what if that translation of Scriptures is wrong? There are many things wrong with that translation!


^ How does a "man" of sin occupy all of the body of Christ at the same time?

Within the corporate Church there are people that dwell in the flesh or in the Holy Spirit. Wherein a man dwells determines the nature of the man. So here we can see two different natures within the corporate Church at the same time.



^ Are you trying to teach us that a "man of sin" is somehow Omnipresent, and can be everywhere at once like God?

A man of sin is a man of sin: Is not sin everywhere? Is not the flesh everywhere?



^ A physical man can not be "in" all the individual believers that make up the Temple of God, a dwelling place in the Spirit.

The corporate Church is the physical manifestation for the body of Christ Jesus upon the earth, as a representation of His body. The Lord Jesus Christ in heaven is the Head of the corporate Church (suppose to be), and the physical Church is suppose to obey the Head, but when the body becomes disobedient to the Head then there is a falling away from Truth.

Please answer the simple question.

How can a "man" of sin, a human being posing as the Christ, occupy the entire body of Christ at the same time, as if he were omnipresent like God, like the Holy Spirit?


JLB

 

[briancfcf]

Can you point out the error in the translation?

2Th_2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

> There are many things wrong with it, and the most obvious wrong that should be seen and acknowledged before any truth can be realized is that many different parables have been cut and pasted together.


The Antichrist Translation is a series of cut and pasted together parables. These parables have been cut away from different chapters containing all parables. People do not understand the chapters with all the parables, so they cut one or two verses away from that chapter, and paste those one or two verses onto a blank sheet of paper with a bunch of other parables from other different End Time writings.


So now they have a blank sheet of paper with many different End Time parables listed on it. They arrange them into a scenario, and then read and understand those parables literally, which has been called the Antichrist Translation.


It is wrong to cut a parable away from the context (placement) from which it was written, and then make it say whatever you want it to say! This is very bad behavior because it is very dangerous.


An example would be the teaching of a thousand year reign for the Lord Jesus Christ when He returns. This thousand years is read literally, but it is a parable that has been taken out of context from its place within the chapter. If the thousand years is to be understood as a literal 1000 years then the entire chapter of parables would need to be read literally. You cannot cut away one verse that you like from the others to make it say what you want it to say. If you are going to read one verse literally then you need to read all of them literally!!!


The Holy Bible has several End Time writings that have been sealed closed for about 2000 years now. There is Matthew 24, Revelation of Jesus Christ, and several chapters in Daniel. People think they know what they are saying because of the Antichrist Translation, but they do not, and that is because of what I said above.


And that is why it is important to first see and acknowledge that the Antichrist Translation is a series of cut and pasted together parables that are read literally. It must be acknowledged that this is wrong and bad behavior, and if not then no Truth shall come through the darkness.

 

[OneAccordRM]

And that is why it is important to first see and acknowledge that the Antichrist Translation is a series of cut and pasted together parables that are read literally. It must be acknowledged that this is wrong and bad behavior, and if not then no Truth shall come through the darkness.

What critical apparatus are you basing your claim on?

 

[OneAccordRM]

Please answer the simple question.

How can a "man" of sin, a human being posing as the Christ, occupy the entire body of Christ at the same time, as if he were omnipresent like God, like the Holy Spirit?


JLB

Thats actually a phenomenal question.

Im curious to see how he answers that one.

 

[Yekcidmij]

The Antichrist Translation...


People think they know what they are saying because of the Antichrist Translation,

And that is why it is important to first see and acknowledge that the Antichrist Translation is a series of cut and pasted together parables that are read literally.

What is the "Antichrist Translation?"

 

[briancfcf]

Please answer the simple question.

How can a "man" of sin, a human being posing as the Christ, occupy the entire body of Christ at the same time, as if he were omnipresent like God, like the Holy Spirit?


JLB

>> The Holy Bible tells us that God created two men from which all men are the prodigy of: There is the first sinful Adam, and then the last Adam being the Spirit Adam, which is the Lord Jesus Christ that came down from heaven. From these two men all people come into life.


The first Adam is sinful, but the second Adam is holy. There are two separate natures here, the first is sinful and the second is holy. And again, from these two Adams comes forth all life, either in the flesh or in the Holy Spirit.


The children of the two Adams share the same earth, the same society, and even to some measure the same religion. The two Adams can be seen in the world today... through their children!!! The nature of the two Adams are contrary one to the other, and so they are unmistakable, and can be seen easily as one nature is disobedient to God and the other is faithful in Word and deed.


The "man of sin" is the first sinful and disobedient Adam, as the son of damnation (perdition). The disobedient Adam can be seen today through his children, because of his nature. The world is full of disobedient Adam's children. So we can see the first Adam in the world today, through his children.


But what would happen if disobedient Adam's children occupied the corporate Church, how would we know? Those not born of the Holy Spirit within the corporate Church have this disobedient nature, and we can know that they are within the Church by their disobedient works.


So then, when we consider the two men that God the Father created from the beginning, one being sinful and the other holy, then we can discern and judge the father of the children by their nature; from which they were born.


The holy Adam, the Lord Jesus Christ, should be seen within the corporate Church through His children that are faithful in the Holy Spirit. But when the corporate Church departs from ancient commands and laws in disobedience to God's commands then we can see that the children of the first Adam occupy the corporate Church. The corporate Church is a representation of the body of Christ Jesus upon the earth, and when it becomes this sick then we can know that it is soon to die.


So the "man of sin" is the first disobedient Adam, and he is seen near the end of the world within the corporate Church through his children. There is a great falling away from truth, as the corporate Church takes on the nature of the first Adam, which is worldliness and departs the command of holiness unto the LORD, just before the end of the world.


This is nothing new. The ancient Hebrews were destroyed and the first two temples with them because of their disobedience. This is the same thing repeated all over again, only this time it is happening in our time with us, today!!!

Source: endtimesalert.com

 

[OneAccordRM]

>> The Holy Bible tells us that God created two men from which all men are the prodigy of: There is the first sinful Adam, and then the last Adam being the Spirit Adam, which is the Lord Jesus Christ that came down from heaven. From these two men all people come into life.

How did God create Jesus Christ?

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

 

[JLB777]

> You are asking these questions with your Antichrist in mind, but what if that translation of Scriptures is wrong? There are many things wrong with that translation!


^ How does a "man" of sin occupy all of the body of Christ at the same time?

Within the corporate Church there are people that dwell in the flesh or in the Holy Spirit. Wherein a man dwells determines the nature of the man. So here we can see two different natures within the corporate Church at the same time.



^ Are you trying to teach us that a "man of sin" is somehow Omnipresent, and can be everywhere at once like God?

A man of sin is a man of sin: Is not sin everywhere? Is not the flesh everywhere?



^ A physical man can not be "in" all the individual believers that make up the Temple of God, a dwelling place in the Spirit.

The corporate Church is the physical manifestation for the body of Christ Jesus upon the earth, as a representation of His body. The Lord Jesus Christ in heaven is the Head of the corporate Church (suppose to be), and the physical Church is suppose to obey the Head, but when the body becomes disobedient to the Head then there is a falling away from Truth.

A flesh and blood human being, called the "man of sin", as well as "the son of perdition" and also the lawless one.

These are the biblical names given to this individual who will be REVEALED from the Temple.

The way he will be revealed is, he will sit in the Temple showing himself as God.

This man is not an INVISABLE spirit being but a flesh and blood man.

He will work miracles.

People will see Him.


JLB

 

[shturt678s]

IIThess.2:4, "he seats himself in the sanctuary" That is, moving from the 95.000000000% accuracy of renditions to 95.0000000001% accurate. Up front with you good folks, I'm the antithesis of any scholar or learned person, and out of my league here thus just winging it.

Thus the 3rd "temple" is really the "sanctuary" being built in men's hearts possibly even at this moment, in their individual ("Sanctuaries")???

Old Jack's opinion

 

[OneAccordRM]

Thus the 3rd "temple" is really the "sanctuary" being built in men's hearts possibly even at this moment, in their individual ("Sanctuaries")???

Old Jack's opinion

Thank the good Lord its your opinon and not a biblical truth.

 

[Interplanner]

There is no doubt Christ himself is the new temple (Jn 1, Eph 2). The events of the Thess letters were about the standing temple of the time, the arrival of the man of sin of Dan 8:13.

 

[OneAccordRM]

There is no doubt Christ himself is the new temple (Jn 1, Eph 2). The events of the Thess letters were about the standing temple of the time, the arrival of the man of sin of Dan 8:13.

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