I would like to know if any of you are familiar with the third kneeling prayer at Pentecost Vespers where supplication is made for those in hell, and would like your opinion at the end of this post.
Basil the Great, in the prayers read at Pentecost, writes the following: Who also, on this all-perfect and saving feast, are graciously pleased to accept propitiatory prayers for those who are imprisoned in hell, granting us a great hope of improvement for those who are imprisoned from the defilements which have imprisoned them, and that Thou wilt send down Thy consolation.
Another version reads thus: On this perfect and salutary Feast, make us worthy to utter supplications in favor of those imprisoned in Hades, O Lord, for You promised to grant relief to the dead from the afflictions besetting them, and to send down consolation and repose upon them.
In contrast to this, the Coptic Orthodox Church has apparently decided that such prayers are no longer to be contained in their service books. Below is a clip from a lecture delivered by Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev at the KievTheologicalAcademy on September 20, 2002, which addresses this issue and forms the basis of my question.
This suggests to me that in the minds of the Coptic Orthodox Synod, the force of hell must somehow extend its power into eternity and/or that the term hell no longer merely refers to hades but is now synonymous with the lake of fire. Do any of you think this attitude of hopelessness, abandonment, and suffering of people in hell is spreading from the Oriental Orthodox to the Eastern Orthodox? Is there saving power in such prayers, or do you agree with the Copts that they contradict Orthodox teaching?
Maverick
Basil the Great, in the prayers read at Pentecost, writes the following: Who also, on this all-perfect and saving feast, are graciously pleased to accept propitiatory prayers for those who are imprisoned in hell, granting us a great hope of improvement for those who are imprisoned from the defilements which have imprisoned them, and that Thou wilt send down Thy consolation.
Another version reads thus: On this perfect and salutary Feast, make us worthy to utter supplications in favor of those imprisoned in Hades, O Lord, for You promised to grant relief to the dead from the afflictions besetting them, and to send down consolation and repose upon them.
In contrast to this, the Coptic Orthodox Church has apparently decided that such prayers are no longer to be contained in their service books. Below is a clip from a lecture delivered by Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev at the KievTheologicalAcademy on September 20, 2002, which addresses this issue and forms the basis of my question.
http://orthodoxeurope.org/print/12/1.aspxBishop Hilarion said:Several years ago I came across a short article in a journal of the Coptic Church where it stated that this Church had decided to remove prayers for those held in hell from its service books, since these prayers contradict Orthodox teaching. Puzzled by this article, I decided to ask a representative of the Coptic Church about the reasons for this move. Recently I had the possibility to do so, and a Coptic Metropolitan replied that the decision was made by his Synod because, according their official doctrine, no prayers can help those in hell. I told the metropolitan that in the liturgical practice of the Russian Orthodox Church and other local OrthodoxChurches there are prayers for those held in hell, and that we believe in their saving power.
This suggests to me that in the minds of the Coptic Orthodox Synod, the force of hell must somehow extend its power into eternity and/or that the term hell no longer merely refers to hades but is now synonymous with the lake of fire. Do any of you think this attitude of hopelessness, abandonment, and suffering of people in hell is spreading from the Oriental Orthodox to the Eastern Orthodox? Is there saving power in such prayers, or do you agree with the Copts that they contradict Orthodox teaching?
Maverick