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Thinking about confession.

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Here is a summary @SabbathBlessings
IN BRIEF
1485 "On the evening of that day, the first day of the week," Jesus showed himself to his apostles. "He breathed on them, and said to them: 'Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained"' (Jn 20:19, (22-23).
1486 The forgiveness of sins committed after Baptism is conferred by a particular sacrament called the sacrament of conversion, confession, penance, or reconciliation.
1487 The sinner wounds God's honor and love, his own human dignity as a man called to be a son of God, and the spiritual well-being of the Church, of which each Christian ought to be a living stone.
1488 To the eyes of faith no evil is graver than sin and nothing has worse consequences for sinners themselves, for the Church, and for the whole world.
1489 To return to communion with God after having lost it through sin is a process born of the grace of God who is rich in mercy and solicitous for the salvation of men. One must ask for this precious gift for oneself and for others.
1490 The movement of return to God, called conversion and repentance, entails sorrow for and abhorrence of sins committed, and the firm purpose of sinning no more in the future. Conversion touches the past and the future and is nourished by hope in God's mercy.
1491 The sacrament of Penance is a whole consisting in three actions of the penitent and the priest's absolution. the penitent's acts are repentance, confession or disclosure of sins to the priest, and the intention to make reparation and do works of reparation.
1492 Repentance (also called contrition) must be inspired by motives that arise from faith. If repentance arises from love of charity for God, it is called "perfect" contrition; if it is founded on other motives, it is called "imperfect."
1493 One who desires to obtain reconciliation with God and with the Church, must confess to a priest all the unconfessed grave sins he remembers after having carefully examined his conscience. the confession of venial faults, without being necessary in itself, is nevertheless strongly recommended by the Church.
1494 The confessor proposes the performance of certain acts of "satisfaction" or "penance" to be performed by the penitent in order to repair the harm caused by sin and to re-establish habits befitting a disciple of Christ.
1495 Only priests who have received the faculty of absolving from the authority of the Church can forgive sins in the name of Christ.
1496 The spiritual effects of the sacrament of Penance are:
- reconciliation with God by which the penitent recovers grace;
- reconciliation with the Church;
- remission of the eternal punishment incurred by mortal sins;
- remission, at least in part, of temporal punishments resulting from sin;
- peace and serenity of conscience, and spiritual consolation;
- an increase of spiritual strength for the Christian battle.
1497 Individual and integral confession of grave sins followed by absolution remains the only ordinary means of reconciliation with God and with the Church.
1498 Through indulgences the faithful can obtain the remission of temporal punishment resulting from sin for themselves and also for the souls in Purgatory.
 
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Of course not. No Catholic says such a thing.
Then I am not sure why you would post 1 John 1:9 as scripture to support confessing to a priest when Jesus cleanses us from all unrighteousness. There is no scripture that says we confess to a priest, and they have the authority to cleanse us from sins, if one is wanting to follow the Holy scriptures.
These are all Catholic sources, which do not reconcile with the scriptures.

For example, the purpose of baptism is to repent from our sin. It means one has a changed heart and is sorry for their past sins and accepts Jesus Christ as their personal Savior and wants to live a new life for Christ. Infants are not able to make this decision and there is no example of infant baptisms. Jesus as our example was baptized by immersion and we are called to follow His example. He was never baptized as an infant; this is a catholic tradition that does not reconcile with the scriptures.
 
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I am not sure why you would post 1 John 1:9
The answer to that is simple to give: I posted it because it speaks of confession. The verse does not spell out to whom one confesses but it does spell out who forgives. Since the one who forgives is not in dispute, as I observed before, we are left only with the question of to whom one confesses.

Albert Barnes, a Presbyterian commentator, writes:
If we confess our sins - Pardon in the Scriptures, always supposes that there is confession, and there is no promise that it will be imparted unless a full acknowledgment has been made. Compare Ps. 51; Psalm 32:1-11; Luk 5:18 ff; Luk 7:41 ff; Pro 28:13.​
Since some sins involve harm to other human beings - in truth many do, perhaps most do - one's confession ought to follow the Lord's teaching regarding such sins, namely,
But if your brother has sinned against you, go and correct him, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you will have regained your brother. But if he will not listen you, invite with you one or two more, so that every word may stand by the mouth of two or three witnesses. And if he will not listen to them, tell the Church. But if he will not listen to the Church, let him be to you like the pagan and the tax collector. Amen I say to you, whatever you will have bound on earth, shall be bound also in heaven, and whatever you will have released on earth, shall be released also in heaven.​
Matthew 18:15-18
 
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1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I think this clearly tells us who we are to confess our sins to, there is nothing in this scripture that even comes close to telling us we are to confess our sins to a catholic priest or that a priest can cleanse sins.

You keep confusing if someone sins against another we need to confess to that person, not that that person can cleanse of the sin, only Jesus Christ can do that.

If you want to confess to an earthy priest your sins, feel free to do that. For me, I am going to confess my sins to Jesus Christ because only He can cleanse us from all sins and unrighteousness. We do not need a Mediator we can go directly to Jesus- AMEN!
 
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I think this clearly tells us who we are to confess our sins to
That's okay; you are entitled to think whatever you please. The fact, however, remains that it does not say "If we confess our sins to HIM, HE is faithful ..." It also does not say "If we confess our sins to the bishop, he is faithful ...". It says what it says, and a person must decide for himself or herself how to read it.
 
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It's a given. The whole verse is about Jesus, not anyone earthly.
 
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As I have pointed out so many times, the word "Rock" was often applied to God in the Bible. Thus it was of great importance when Jesus renamed Simon as Rock and then give Rock the keys to the kingdom. As in Isaiah, and Jesus used words parallelling Isaiah, the king gives the keys to the kingdom to his prime minister as a sign of authority. But also renaming Simon as Rock showed it was not just a civil service position being given to Rock, but a holy one.
 
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This was already addressed here: Thinking about confession.

Just common sense alone should tell someone the church is built on Jesus Christ, He is the Rock throughout scripture. The Glory is on Jesus Christ, not humans.

There is also nothing linking Peter to the Catholic church, this is a fable of the RCC.

Perhaps this will help....


and from a former Catholic

 
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As I said, I have so many times pointed out the Rock is used to describe God in the Bible, and thus Jesus renaming Simon as Rock was of such monumental importance. Jesus is the cornerstone of the Catholic Church. But as the Bible explains, when the king in the Davidic kingdom is gone the prime minister has full authority--and the giving by the king of the keys to the kingdom confirms it. Perhaps someday you will visit the site of Peter's burial, it is two levels down at St. Peter's Basilica in Vatican City. You can look up from that location right into the dome.
 
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There is also nothing linking Peter to the Catholic church, this is a fable of the RCC.
This sort of claim arises from anti-Catholic sources such as "The Two Babylons" by Alexander Hislop and "The Great Controversy" by Ellen White. It is a flimsy claim built on fanciful "evidence".

Karl Keating wrote a book called "Catholicism and Fundamentalism: The Attack on 'Romanism' by 'Bible Christians' " which is useful reading for those most affected by anti-Catholic tracts, teaching, and books.
 
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This sort of claim arises from anti-Catholic sources such as "The Two Babylons" by Alexander Hislop and "The Great Controversy" by Ellen White. It is a flimsy claim built on fanciful "evidence".
The evidence is based on scripture and there is no scripture that says Peter is a pope or the Catholic church gets its succession from the apostles, history would indicate something different. God’s Church is a remnant according to the scriptures. Revelation 12:17 with specific traits that I do not see the RCC following. I’ve noticed a trend with Catholics they put glory back to the church when our focus and all Glory should be on Jesus Christ.

Anyway, I‘m probably going to bow out as I don’t see us coming to any agreement. We will all find out soon enough when Jesus comes back and I pray we will all be able to stand when He comes.

Take care.
 
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there is no scripture that says Peter is a pope
"Pope" isn't used in scripture but there is a scripture about saint Peter spoken by the Lord, Jesus Christ:
Simon Peter responded by saying, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."​
And in response, Jesus said to him:​
"Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father, who is in heaven. And I say to you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound, even in heaven. And whatever you shall release on earth shall be released, even in heaven."​
Matthew 16:16-19
 
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There is nothing that says that Peter is a pope of the Catholic church or is the Rock in scripture. The Church of Jesus Christ is built on Jesus Christ.

Anyway- take care.
 
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Anyway, I‘m probably going to bow out as I don’t see us coming to any agreement. We will all find out soon enough when Jesus comes back and I pray we will all be able to stand when He comes.
That was a short bow
 
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John 21:15-17 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs." He then said to him a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep." He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, "Do you love me?" and he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." (Jesus) said to him, "Feed my sheep."
 
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There is nothing that says that Peter is a pope of the Catholic church or is the Rock in scripture.
Well, aside from Jesus naming saint Peter "Rock" and calling Peter the rock upon which the Lord builds his church I suppose there are only a few hundred places where saint Peter is placed in the lead group among the apostles and a few places where Peter is given responsibility to feed the sheep, which is to say, feed the church. So okay, your post follows in the tradition of "no such scripture exists" posts that you've written only to have scripture shown that says exactly what your post says, "no scripture ever says".

One feels some sadness to see the end of such wonderful posts which supply such good opportunities to present the gospel message in response. Thank you for your contributions, I truly appreciate the work you've done.
 
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