Think I'll sit down here for a bit... (3)

[dinkime]

I have posted a few photos of our drive home today. You can find them here: http://jmberg.blogspot.com

where was he pastor!? i went to college in blair, so i have been through mo valley iowa often!

 

[Flipper]

I think seajoy is right. The big thing colleges require all classes and disciplines to teach is critical thinking. That doesn't mean someone who hasn't had college can't do that - a couple of my paralegal mentors don't have a degree, but they became paralegals in the early 1980s when it wasn't a degree field, so everywhere they go, they are grandfathered in because of their vast experience. They have good critical thinking skills. However, now, you know the person has a certain amount of it, if they have the piece of paper, because of how much it's pushed. It's just a guess, someone may disagree.

A lot of fields are like that about the bachelor's - in what I do, they want a bachelor's but don't care what it's in as long as you at least have a certificate (or in my case, an AAS) in the field. Some places will just take the AAS, but then I would always be limited - mostly to plaintiff firms, as defense firms usually demand a bachelor's, which is funny because defense firms don't necessarily pay more. This way, I qualify to work in every law firm that practices the area I'm most familiar with, so if I want to go to the dark (defense) side, I can. Even though there were quite a few BS completion programs in paralegal studies, or pre-law, I got a business degree instead in case I am able to get out of it and do something else.

Now why does seminary require a bachelor's? I find the best pastor's have a well rounded knowledge base, not just in theology. Gives them a lot to draw on in forming sermons. The critical thinking skills can't hurt either.

 

[QuiltAngel]

where was he pastor!? i went to college in blair, so i have been through mo valley iowa often!

Way out in southwest Nebraska, south of North Platte. We are now in northcentral Iowa. My mominlaw lives in Omaha. We find that taking Highway 30 northeast is the best route so we get off of 29 at Mo Valley.

 

[latebloomer]

Quilt Angel
I love your picture of the Grotto of the Redemption. It's a beautiful place. I haven't been there in a while. It's time to visit again. I think I live near you. Has anyone else here at TCL ever visited the Grotto?

latebloomer

 

[DaRev]

Can anyone tell me why it's necessary for a seminary student to have a Bachelor's degree? Especially since the school seemingly, couldn't care less what that degree is in???

If you'll forgive me, it sounds like academic snobbery.

In order to earn a Masters degree, one must first have a Bachelor's degree. You need to be able to work at that academic level.

There are certain requirements that must be met in order to enroll in the MDiv program. Many Bachelor programs do have similar requirements, especially if its from a Christian college. Plus, the seminary offers certain "pre-sem" courses that must be satisfactorily completed in order to be able to take any MDiv course work.

There are also other seminary programs that don't necessarily require a Bachelor's degree, but the requirements are much different, and they are not Master's level study. There is no degree given.

 

[DaSeminarian]

In order to earn a Masters degree, one must first have a Bachelor's degree. You need to be able to work at that academic level.

There are certain requirements that must be met in order to enroll in the MDiv program. Many Bachelor programs do have similar requirements, especially if its from a Christian college. Plus, the seminary offers certain "pre-sem" courses that must be satisfactorily completed in order to be able to take any MDiv course work.

There are also other seminary programs that don't necessarily require a Bachelor's degree, but the requirements are much different, and they are not Master's level study. There is no degree given.

One might ask, if there is no degree given for the work, why enter into that field of study. As human beings we work for something and if we are giving our money to an institution we want proof that our education was worth the money we paid for it.

 

[DaRev]

One might ask, if there is no degree given for the work, why enter into that field of study. As human beings we work for something and if we are giving our money to an institution we want proof that our education was worth the money we paid for it.

Which is why I'm not a fan of the Alternate Route or DELTO programs. I mean, who is it that dictates why some need the full academic program to be a parish pastor and why others don't need that study. I've never been able to understand how a pastor is to be able to apply the Old Testament to his preaching and bible study if he never studies it in Hebrew (which is not required for the AR certification). And DELTO has changed their requirements a few times since I first looked into it. I have no idea what the academic requirements are for that anymore.

 

[DaSeminarian]

Which is why I'm not a fan of the Alternate Route or DELTO programs. I mean, who is it that dictates why some need the full academic program to be a parish pastor and why others don't need that study. I've never been able to understand how a pastor is to be able to apply the Old Testament to his preaching and bible study if he never studies it in Hebrew (which is not required for the AR certification). And DELTO has changed their requirements a few times since I first looked into it. I have no idea what the academic requirements are for that anymore.

I believe the AR program allows for the student to trade 10 years of church involvement (Usher, Elder, Sunday School teacher, President of congregation etc.) for one year of academic training which means that they have 3 years left and of those 3 years, one is a vicarage.

I have met a few guys here at FW that are on the AR program and they are nice guys, but will their education be adequate?

As for DELTO, I agree 100% with your analysis. I have heard of people in that program (Clyde Awtrey from WRM) and I wouldn't want to be in his church if he was pastor. I know from some of the Professors here that they are still tinkering with this program and there may be a major restructuring in the next couple of years.

AR still gets something out of the deal, but not an MDIV.

 

[LilLamb219]

A friend of mine from high school and I e-mail occasionally and she has begged me to read Gone With The Wind so we can have online discussions about it.

Ok, so I checked the book out from the library and started reading this this afternoon. Near the beginning of the book, Scarlett's mother Ellen has to go to a neighbor's house...here's a few lines and I think you guys will appreciate it:

"Mr. O'Hara, there is illness at the Slattery house. Emmie's baby has been born and is dying and must be baptized. I am going there with Mammy to see what I can do."

Out of the blue, here I am reading about babies needing baptizing where I least expected it

 

[seajoy]

"Mr. O'Hara, there is illness at the Slattery house. Emmie's baby has been born and is dying and must be baptized. I am going there with Mammy to see what I can do."

Out of the blue, here I am reading about babies needing baptizing where I least expected it

 

[C.F.W. Walther]

Which is why I'm not a fan of the Alternate Route or DELTO programs. I mean, who is it that dictates why some need the full academic program to be a parish pastor and why others don't need that study. I've never been able to understand how a pastor is to be able to apply the Old Testament to his preaching and bible study if he never studies it in Hebrew (which is not required for the AR certification). And DELTO has changed their requirements a few times since I first looked into it. I have no idea what the academic requirements are for that anymore.

What are the requirements of entry to DELTO. I just read their brochure and it is unclear. For instance with my AB degree what would I have to have to qualify for the DELTO program?

 

[seajoy]

Hey, everybody's in the kitchen! How about some pie and coffee.....I'll serve.

 

[seajoy]

Hey, everybody's in the kitchen! How about some pie and coffee.....I'll serve.

What's up? Can't type with our mouths full of pie? Keep talkin' folks.

 

[Flipper]

A friend of mine from high school and I e-mail occasionally and she has begged me to read Gone With The Wind so we can have online discussions about it.

Ok, so I checked the book out from the library and started reading this this afternoon. Near the beginning of the book, Scarlett's mother Ellen has to go to a neighbor's house...here's a few lines and I think you guys will appreciate it:

"Mr. O'Hara, there is illness at the Slattery house. Emmie's baby has been born and is dying and must be baptized. I am going there with Mammy to see what I can do."

Out of the blue, here I am reading about babies needing baptizing where I least expected it

I'm probably the only person in America who hasn't seen the movie. I have it, though.

 

[Flipper]

Hey, everybody's in the kitchen! How about some pie and coffee.....I'll serve.

Only if it's apple pie. You can keep the coffee

 

[C.F.W. Walther]

Hi Sis--Is the pie low sugar?---aw heck--I'll have some anyway

 

[seajoy]

Only if it's apple pie. You can keep the coffee

Apple for you, with tea.

 

[C.F.W. Walther]

I believe the AR program allows for the student to trade 10 years of church involvement (Usher, Elder, Sunday School teacher, President of congregation etc.) for one year of academic training which means that they have 3 years left and of those 3 years, one is a vicarage.

I have met a few guys here at FW that are on the AR program and they are nice guys, but will their education be adequate?

As for DELTO, I agree 100% with your analysis. I have heard of people in that program (Clyde Awtrey from WRM) and I wouldn't want to be in his church if he was pastor. I know from some of the Professors here that they are still tinkering with this program and there may be a major restructuring in the next couple of years.
AR still gets something out of the deal, but not an MDIV.

Clyde Autry---Yea from LQ--seen his posts---if he could do the program I sure could---he's different.

 

[seajoy]

Hi Sis--Is the pie low sugar?---aw heck--I'll have some anyway

Low-sugar for my bro, Rad. *picky, picky*

 

[DaRev]

What are the requirements of entry to DELTO. I just read their brochure and it is unclear. For instance with my AB degree what would I have to have to qualify for the DELTO program?

Unless it has changed, a student must be sponsored by a congregation that has an extraordinary need for pastoral care, such as if the congregation would not be able to continue with out it. The student then serves that congregation while he is undergoing his course work. He is assigned a mentor, a local pastor to serve as a "teacher" of sorts, to oversee the training. The student must also spend a certain amount of time at the seminary for sourse work and such, usually in one or two week stints. DELTO is normally five years and at the completion the student is then ordained and installed as pastor of the congregation he is serving. He would also be expected to serve as a "worker priest" since the congregation would not be able to afford to pay a regular pastor.

It was not intended as a substitute for semianry formation, but I have no idea how it works anymore.