Things to consider about the Ten Commandments

VictorC · May 29, 2014

Elder 111 said:
Show the text where is says that the other laws were in the Ark and not the ten Commandments only. I await with eager expectation!

Your deflection has been addressed. Here is a reminder of your stark contrast with Scripture.

Elder 111 said:
Did Jesus die to remove the law or to remove sins?

Reconcile your feigned notion of eradicating sin (which would be a certain death sentence no one would survive; 'salvation' becomes a myth) with God's promise conveyed to His redeemed purchased possession: “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

That's right - your notion can't be reconciled with Scripture.

However, the fantasy you post here reveals the heinous nature of the Adventist religion.

M.L. Andreasen The Sanctuary Service said:
In the last generation God gives the final demonstration that men can keep the law of God and that they can live without sinning. God leaves nothing undone to make the demonstration complete. The only limitation He puts on Satan is that he may not kill the saints of God. He may tempt them, he may harass and threaten them; and he does his best. But he fails. He cannot make them sin. They stand the test, and God puts His seal on them. Through the last generation of saints God stands fully vindicated.

The Gospel reveals how God saves sinners: This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners... (1 Timothy 1:15).
In contrast, the SDA church stands opposed to the Gospel of God's redemption and claims their mission is to vindicate the old covenant from Mount Sinai, the very covenant we are instructed to cast off.

Last Day Events said:
Let all be careful not to make an outcry against the only people who are fulfilling the description given of the remnant people, who keep the commandments of God and have faith in Jesus.... God has a distinct people, a church on earth, second to none, but superior to all in their facilities to teach the truth, to vindicate the law of God.... My brother, if you are teaching that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is Babylon, you are wrong.

Brethren, make no mistake: the Seventh-day Adventist "church" produces confused people who don't know the basics of the Biblical Gospel of peace with God.
That's why Adventists produce deflections instead of a coherent defense for their non-Christian message.

from scratch · May 29, 2014

Elder 111 said:
What does fulfill mean. You would not address that!
The same text explains it. It is the indwelling of Christ that enables us to keep the Ten commandments which is righteousness. Is it not Christ that gives us the power not to steal or lie, the power to overcome temptation?
Rom 7:
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Fulfill has been addressed here many times. You wouldn't listen then. Are you ready to listen now?

from scratch · May 29, 2014

Elder 111 said:
Your understanding is flawed. Because one keeps the ten commandments it is works? That makes sense to you? Because you don't steal it is works? because you don't covet/lust or commit adultery it is works?

Its not necessarily the keeping of the law that makes it works. I think it boils down to the reason one keeps the law. No one can't manipulate God.

from scratch · May 29, 2014

Elder 111 said:
So because a man lied God said do not lie. Because someone committed adultery God came after the fact and said do not commit adultery. So it was a sin before God said do not, but the offenders did not know. Is that what you are saying? they were guilty of something they were completely ignorant of.

No. Read Romans 2. The Gentiles didn't have the law, yet knew right from wrong as Paul testifies.

from scratch · May 29, 2014

Elder 111 said:
I and My father are one.

Are you saying they're the same? Yes or no, please.

from scratch · May 29, 2014

Elder 111 said:
Show the text where is says that the other laws were in the Ark and not the ten Commandments only. I await with eager expectation!

All things considered, I think its a typo. To communicate to you the with the covenant should be of the co covenant.

Sophrosyne · May 29, 2014

VictorC said:
I think you had him when he rendered God "mentally ill or foolish".

I think he was on a raft on a river in Egypt myself

Elder 111 · May 29, 2014

orangeness365 said:
Why can't you disregard the laws of the Old Testament and only follow the laws of the New Testament? The New Testament contains at least 8 of the 10 commandments, but not the other 603 from the Old Testament. There are a lot of laws in the New Testament, but the punishments for not following through with them, if there are any, are only for God to decide, not for people.

God did not decide in the OT?

Elder 111 · May 29, 2014

Sophrosyne said:
So you agree your theology butchers the trinity logically eh?

I am telling you that the Commandments of Jesus and of the Father are the same.

Elder 111 · May 29, 2014

VictorC said:
Of course we already know Solomon testified there was nothing in the ark of the Covenant except the covenant from Mount Sinai:
1 Kings 8
9 Nothing was in the ark except the two tablets of stone which Moses put there at Horeb, when the Lord made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.
...
21 And there I have made a place for the ark, in which is the covenant of the Lord which He made with our fathers, when He brought them out of the land of Egypt.
Now it's your job to show us your lineage to this select group that obviously doesn't include the Gentiles at Barbados (and elsewhere).
And...
...Of course we know this is a deflection from what I pointed out in my post: it was the Book of the Law the children of Israel were responsible to comply with, and it is the Book of the Law that contains the public record of the Ten Commandments. And, God's redemption covers the entire covenant of which the tablets of stone were only a part of.
Galatians 3
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them. 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for the just shall live by faith. 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but the man who does them shall live by them.
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
And...
...Of course you selected one comment in my post, and replied with a deflection that doesn't acknowledge anything I posted at all. I'm curious why you ended up dismissing the Ten Commandments and can't recognize what it is.

Nothing was in the Ark but the Ten commandments as you have verified. This ark was where God would dwell, the foundation of His throne was the ark with the Ten commandments that you want to dig out!
A copy of the original, the earthly ark was; but John saw the original in heaven, Rev. 11: 19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Verified by Paul. Heb. 8: Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
The ark of the testament in heaven. Is that not the container of the Ten commandments? Is that not where God is seated on His throne? Does that not also mean that the Ten commandments still is the foundation of God throne? Or did you move God and took them out?

Elder 111 · May 29, 2014

VictorC said:
But of course I did, and you don't have an excuse to feign ignorance any longer.

The Greek rendered 'fulfill' in Matthew 5:17 indicates God's intent to complete every jot and tittle of the Law, without anything failing fulfillment. His propitiation has justified us and reconciled us to God in the perfect tense.
It is obvious the Gospel isn't compatible with the Adventist mutation by your next comment:

This is a total fable, and the Scripture you posted with this claim doesn't remotely support it. You've proven over and over that you don't keep the Ten Commandments, which is consistent with God's conclusion that its recipients were disobedient as a condition to extend His mercy to all. Don't mention that the recipients didn't keep the covenant, but rather the covenant kept them until the time appointed by God (Romans 7:6, Galatians 3:23 - 4:5). Also, this same inspired author showed us that his righteousness isn't from the Law (Philippians 3:9), and your modification of one epistle obviously departs from the author's direct testimony in another epistle.

We won't bother to mention that you don't seem to know what the Ten Commandments was, nor how it was never conveyed to the Gentiles in the first place. There isn't anything Biblical about your belief system that ignores God's redemption from the covenant from Mount Sinai.

Jesus is correct, and you are not saying what He said. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Elder 111 · May 29, 2014

from scratch said:
Are you saying they're the same? Yes or no, please.

I am saying what Jesus said and I mean what Jesus meant.

VictorC · May 29, 2014

Elder 111 said:
Nothing was in the Ark but the Ten commandments as you have verified.

You didn't read my post very well - hence you don't acknowledge where we read the Ten Commandments from: the Book of the Law.

Elder 111 said:
This ark was where God would dwell

Once a year He met the high priest over the ark. Before this He met Moses in a burning bush. This isn't how God meets with us today.

Elder 111 said:
, the foundation of His throne was the ark with the Ten commandments that you want to dig out!

Personal comment unrelated to my post.

Elder 111 said:
Verified by Paul. Heb. 8

Now you're quoting Ellen White and hoping no one notices.
And, quoting Ellen White's weird ideas.

God gave Moses the original tablets of stone.
Moses broke those.
The only item that could be construed as a "copy" is the second pair of tablets of stone that God again handed to Moses.
Moses placed those in the ark of the covenant - on earth.
We know from past posts those tablets don't exist in heaven, and even the inspired author of Hebrews notes this in his epistle. You didn't even acknowledge the testimony John saw plainly in Revelation 11, for the obvious reason that you don't know what it is. All of this is old water under the bridge we dealt with a year ago, when BrightCandle changed his moniker to Truthwave, followed by GladiatorforGod. You aren't learning anything over the course of an entire year!

Now, return to what I posted, which is what you quoted in your reply:

VictorC said:
Of course we already know Solomon testified there was nothing in the ark of the Covenant except the covenant from Mount Sinai:

1 Kings 8
9 Nothing was in the ark except the two tablets of stone which Moses put there at Horeb, when the Lord made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.
...
21 And there I have made a place for the ark, in which is the covenant of the Lord which He made with our fathers, when He brought them out of the land of Egypt.
Now it's your job to show us your lineage to this select group that obviously doesn't include the Gentiles at Barbados (and elsewhere).
And...
...Of course we know this is a deflection from what I pointed out in my post: it was the Book of the Law the children of Israel were responsible to comply with, and it is the Book of the Law that contains the public record of the Ten Commandments. And, God's redemption covers the entire covenant of which the tablets of stone were only a part of.

Galatians 3
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them. 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for the just shall live by faith. 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but the man who does them shall live by them.
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
And...
...Of course you selected one comment in my post, and replied with a deflection that doesn't acknowledge anything I posted at all. I'm curious why you ended up dismissing the Ten Commandments and can't recognize what it is.

You had only one task to answer:
Now it's your job to show us your lineage to this select group that obviously doesn't include the Gentiles at Barbados (and elsewhere).
You didn't even respond to my post.
You simply sought to discard the Book of the Law without acknowledging God's redemption.

VictorC · May 29, 2014

Elder 111 said:
Jesus is correct, and you are not saying what He said.

I quoted Matthew's account and showed you the precise Greek term pleroo this inspired author chose to write in his account.
Matthew is trusted to provide an accurate account of what Jesus said.
My post copied Matthew's account verbatim.

Elder 111 said:
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

And you don't acknowledge what Jesus said and Matthew recorded, in that you chose to make "till all be fulfilled" tiny while you placed your emphasis elsewhere.
Jesus is correct, and you don't acknowledge what He said. His intent was to complete the Law; and none of it will fail to be fulfilled.

Here is what I posted once again:

VictorC said:
Elder 111 said:

What does fulfill mean. You would not address that!

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But of course I did, and you don't have an excuse to feign ignorance any longer.

VictorC said:

Elder 111 said:

Fulfill in you context means remove do away with. Is that a fact?
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. So Jesus meant, I have not come to destroy the law but to remove/get rid of it. Makes sense to you?:o
Please!

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It's a fact. Maybe you aren't aware of the meaning of the Greek pleroo rendered as 'fulfill' in Matthew 5:17, which conveys a meaning of completion, consummation, and finishing.

Jesus fulfilled the Law in His expiatory propitiation as the sole Lamb without spot or blemish. News flash: those qualifications don't include you.

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The Greek rendered 'fulfill' in Matthew 5:17 indicates God's intent to complete every jot and tittle of the Law, without anything failing fulfillment. His propitiation has justified us and reconciled us to God in the perfect tense.
It is obvious the Gospel isn't compatible with the Adventist mutation by your next comment:

Elder 111 said:

The same text explains it. It is the indwelling of Christ that enables us to keep the Ten commandments which is righteousness.

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This is a total fable, and the Scripture you posted with this claim doesn't remotely support it. You've proven over and over that you don't keep the Ten Commandments, which is consistent with God's conclusion that its recipients were disobedient as a condition to extend His mercy to all. Don't mention that the recipients didn't keep the covenant, but rather the covenant kept them until the time appointed by God (Romans 7:6, Galatians 3:23 - 4:5). Also, this same inspired author showed us that his righteousness isn't from the Law (Philippians 3:9), and your modification of one epistle obviously departs from the author's direct testimony in another epistle.

We won't bother to mention that you don't seem to know what the Ten Commandments was, nor how it was never conveyed to the Gentiles in the first place. There isn't anything Biblical about your belief system that ignores God's redemption from the covenant from Mount Sinai.

As you -and others- can see, your complaint about the meaning of the Greek pleroo rendered as 'fulfilled' in Matthew 5:17 has been answered. Several times, in fact. You can't pretend ignorance anymore, and I noticed that you chose to forget your claim that you know is unsupportable, because it is contrary to the Word of God. I'm sure you enjoy this selective memory loss that is featured in most of your posts.

from scratch · May 29, 2014

Elder 111 said:
Jesus is correct, and you are not saying what He said. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

This has been refuted so many times even to you its not worth the time to even c&p an answer.

from scratch · May 29, 2014

Elder 111 said:
I am saying what Jesus said and I mean what Jesus meant.

I understand this non answer is called obfuscation.

VictorC · May 29, 2014

Elder 111 said:
I am saying what Jesus said and I mean what Jesus meant.

Really? You're going to offer yourself as a expiatory sacrifice without spot or blemish before a Holy God?
You lack certain requisite qualifications.

VictorC · May 29, 2014

Elder 111 said:
I am telling you that the Commandments of Jesus and of the Father are the same.

That isn't why we know your statement is false.

from scratch · May 29, 2014

Elder 111 said:
So because a man lied God said do not lie. Because someone committed adultery God came after the fact and said do not commit adultery. So it was a sin before God said do not, but the offenders did not know. Is that what you are saying? they were guilty of something they were completely ignorant of.

How do non religious people brought up in non religious homes come to understand lying is wrong? Same goes for murder and adultery.

Elder 111 · May 30, 2014

VictorC said:
You didn't read my post very well - hence you don't acknowledge where we read the Ten Commandments from: the Book of the Law.

You did not read the bible very well or you would have seen that Ten Commandments were on two separate tables by themselves.

VictorC said:
Once a year He met the high priest over the ark. Before this He met Moses in a burning bush. This isn't how God meets with us today.

We are not discussing how God meets with His people are we?

VictorC said:
Personal comment unrelated to my post.

Now you're quoting Ellen White and hoping no one notices.
And, quoting Ellen White's weird ideas.

Eleen White wrote Hebrews too?!

VictorC said:
God gave Moses the original tablets of stone.
Moses broke those.
The only item that could be construed as a "copy" is the second pair of tablets of stone that God again handed to Moses.

Ex. 25: 9 According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.
40 And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount. The original, Hebrews 8:Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

VictorC said:
Moses placed those in the ark of the covenant - on earth.
We know from past posts those tablets don't exist in heaven, and even the inspired author of Hebrews notes this in his epistle. You didn't even acknowledge the testimony John saw plainly in Revelation 11, for the obvious reason that you don't know what it is. All of this is old water under the bridge we dealt with a year ago, when BrightCandle changed his moniker to Truthwave, followed by GladiatorforGod. You aren't learning anything over the course of an entire year!

My God has been dealing with it for eternity and I am going to stick with Him, He knows what He is talking about.

VictorC said:
Now, return to what I posted, which is what you quoted in your reply:

You had only one task to answer:
Now it's your job to show us your lineage to this select group that obviously doesn't include the Gentiles at Barbados (and elsewhere).
You didn't even respond to my post.
You simply sought to discard the Book of the Law without acknowledging God's redemption.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
I am a child of the King a seed of Abraham. What about you?

Things to consider about the Ten Commandments

What does the bible say about the Ten commandments

It is abolished for christians

Cristians should keep the Ten Commandments, not to be saved but because they are saved.

Jesus kept the Ten commandments so I don't have to keep it.

It was for Israel only and not part of the new covenant.

Don't know.

Don't care.

Christians should only keep some of the Ten Commandments

Jesus - that's my final answer

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