No the pagans worshipped on Sunday because that was the day of their idol. Sunday was not officially adopted into the church until the time of Constantine. Before that it's all heresay and maybes.
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I don't think that's the case. You need to bone up on history and even the Bible. The Bible clearly shows Christians worshipping on Sunday as early as 55-60 AD. Several documents from history have been cited in this particular forum if not thread. All of which show Christians worshipping on Sunday prior to the RCC coming to prominence and power.
This comes across as a failed excuse to avoid answering any of the questions placed before you.I've answered two so far but you didn't like the answer. I will pray for your understanding.
No the pagans worshipped on Sunday because that was the day of their idol. Sunday was not officially adopted into the church until the time of Constantine. Before that it's all heresay and maybes.
What is your support for keeping some form of the 7th day Sabbath? I thought I read you didn't care what others do, yet it seems you require the Sabbath. I don't understand, unless you're trying to be very, very mild and non offensive n your approach. To me this would look like fraud in your purpose. We don't care what day you worship on as long as it has nothing to do with salvation.Please stop posturing and coming across like some academic wannabe. I do not have time to go back thru all my posts to see what you are alluding to. The way things generally work on a public forum is that you will quote what I have said in a post and then tell me why you disagree. If you cannot do this then I cannot help you.
This comes across as a failed excuse to avoid answering any of the questions placed before you.
You clearly do not understand the nature of "hearsay." When a solid wall of First and Second Century Church Fathers write in their own hand the nature of Sunday worship, that is NOT "hearsay."
Anything those First and Second Century Christians wrote would be EASY to have admitted in a Court of Law, and would easily prove the existence of universal Sunday observance at least 200 years before Constantine. That lie of Ellen White's that you cite has been disproved for many years.
Many here have tried to prove the Sabbath started at creation and failed. What is your story?Very little is said about many things in Genesis. You refuse to admit the the 7th day Sabbath goes back to creation not Noah or Abraham. It was in existence before the Law which means that it is higher than the carnal commandments which have been abolished. Marriage and the Sabbath were instituted in Eden. Do non-Jews get married today?
No the pagans worshipped on Sunday because that was the day of their idol.
What is your support for keeping some form of the 7th day Sabbath? I thought I read you didn't care what others do, yet it seems you require the Sabbath. I don't understand, unless you're trying to be very, very mild and non offensive n your approach. To me this would look like fraud in your purpose. We don't care what day you worship on as long as it has nothing to do with salvation.
Since you appeal to history, Christians were worshipping on Sunday long before Constantine or any church councils that merely acknowledged the fact with their decrees.No the pagans worshipped on Sunday because that was the day of their idol. Sunday was not officially adopted into the church until the time of Constantine. Before that it's all heresay and maybes.
Your proof is what? So far all I read is unsupported opinion.I did answer two. Your argument from Nehemiah is worthless because the Sabbath was not kept for 400 years while the Israelites were in Egyptian slavery. Everything had to be re-introduced after their exile from Egypt.
Since you appeal to history, Christians were worshipping on /Sunday long before Constantine or any church councils that merely acknowledged the fact with their decrees.
If indeed that's the case, what difference does it make which day one worships on? Paul said twice it doesn't matter. Romans 14 and Colossians 2.The 7th day Sabbath has nothing to do with Salvation. We are saved by the life, death and resurrection of Christ. The day is a commemoration no different than the Lord's supper or baptism. All are symbols of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
Which ones? The Ebonites and Jewish Christians? I need something to go on more than an unsupported statement.Christians were also observing the 7th day long before the time of Constantine.
I've never seen proof of this assertion provided nor logic of it even presented that Christians (NOT JEWISH ONLY CHRISTIANS) as a group (mixed) were observing the 7th day as akin to "KEEPING" it on a level that even trivially approaches that of the Sabbath command.Christians were also observing the 7th day long before the time of Constantine.
They would make you believe if one person in a huge million man battle wore pink leotards and attacked with a water pistol full of grape juice that the whole battle was one by that person. Taking examples based upon extreme minorities that nowhere near approached the norm of it all and claiming it was the norm of it all is their logic. A lot of pink elephants in their room for sure.Which ones? The Ebonites and Jewish Christians? I need something to go on more than an unsupported statement.
Not more than 30 days and certainly less than 60. You can't show participation in a holy day such as the Sabbath prior to the Israeli departure from Egypt. The best you can do is Gen 26:5 which is defeated soundly with Deut 5:3. There's no contradiction.Very little is said about many things in Genesis. You refuse to admit the the 7th day Sabbath goes back to creation not Noah or Abraham. It was in existence before the Law which means that it is higher than the carnal commandments which have been abolished. Marriage and the Sabbath were instituted in Eden. Do non-Jews get married today?
I listed four questions, none of which had anything to do with Nehemiah. What you're showing me is that you're not reading posts, and don't have an answer for them.I did answer two.
You're deviating far from what Nehemiah 9 actually says. It recites history all the way from the creation, taking Abraham out of Ur of the Chaldees, to Mount Sinai for the origin of the Law, and to Moses for the origin of the Sabbath.Your argument from Nehemiah is worthless because the Sabbath was not kept for 400 years while the Israelites were in Egyptian slavery. Everything had to be re-introduced after their exile from Egypt.
It seems you pass right over the word I highlighted in blue.The 7th day Sabbath does go back to creation. Point blank what you are saying is false.
'Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.' Gen. 2:1
'Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.' Ex. 20:8-11
I don't like quoting the commandments but in this case it is relevant to the topic at hand and shows conclusively that you are wrong and reject the plainest statements of scripture.
Your proof is....Is says made known because it was not kept for 400 years while the Israelites were in Egyptian slavery. Patently false and a gross misrepresentation.
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