Things creationists hate

[Mistermystery]

creepy. I have never heard of this book before, then in one morning I hear of it three times and everyone seems to have read it :/

I thought for a while that he meant the book about Uranus...

 

[The Bellman]

This is really immature.

I am a YEC, but I don't know any of the YEC scientist names out there that I keep seeing referenced (or any names of any scientists except Newton and the biggest ones). I have to, as I calculate forces and moments in my Engineering classes, and they're measured in Newtons in the metric system. But yeah, maybe I'll start looking into those names.

(That lil face isn't what it is on Yahoo; it doesn't convey the right expression. Oh well.)

I have a challenge for you all who mock Creation science and Christianity: instead of making fun of it, look into it deeper. You might find out why we're Christian. There is a lot more to it than the science.

I have never seen anyone on this forum mock christianity. People regularly mock "creation science", for it does not exist. Creationism is a religious position based on scientific ignorance and misrepresentation of data. It harms science and christianity, and deserves to be mocked. I would venture to guess that most on this forum, like myself, HAVE looked deeply into creationism - we have found it to be completely without validity.

And I'm sorry, but if there's more to "creation science" than the science, then it's not science at all. It's religion.

 

[Pentecostal_Wind]

in reply to number one,i think that instead of people pointing fingures and saying what is what whether god a creation or a host is real,or evolution or life came from one cell,i think we should just exchange thoughts,for example what christianity has done for me and how it has changed my life,and try and help others to understand their beleifs,or how evolution has changed my life,or how my life has expanded for the research of evolution.i think that kinda life would b better,who ever wants to debate can step up,either that or step out.Truth is i was as low as a human being could be,had habits,depressed life,had technology,but no love.Now my life has just changed and ive found love,and work,and im constontly under an unknown precense in my house,i dont know what or who ,but i beleive that jesus died for me on the cross,and he has given me all my hearts desire for i trust and have faith i him.This is what i call a post

 

[Mekkala]

in reply to number one,i think that instead of people pointing fingures and saying what is what whether god a creation or a host is real,or evolution or life came from one cell,i think we should just exchange thoughts,for example what christianity has done for me and how it has changed my life,and try and help others to understand their beleifs,or how evolution has changed my life,or how my life has expanded for the research of evolution.i think that kinda life would b better,who ever wants to debate can step up,either that or step out.Truth is i was as low as a human being could be,had habits,depressed life,had technology,but no love.Now my life has just changed and ive found love,and work,and im constontly under an unknown precense in my house,i dont know what or who ,but i beleive that jesus died for me on the cross,and he has given me all my hearts desire for i trust and have faith i him.This is what i call a post

Well, it's what I call a bunch of words in desperate need of a English course.

EDIT: That is, you might want to learn how to write English, because as it is, very few people are going to want to expend the effort to decipher what you just wrote.

 

[vajradhara]

in reply to number one,i think that instead of people pointing fingures and saying what is what whether god a creation or a host is real,or evolution or life came from one cell,i think we should just exchange thoughts,for example what christianity has done for me and how it has changed my life,and try and help others to understand their beleifs,or how evolution has changed my life,or how my life has expanded for the research of evolution.i think that kinda life would b better,who ever wants to debate can step up,either that or step out.Truth is i was as low as a human being could be,had habits,depressed life,had technology,but no love.Now my life has just changed and ive found love,and work,and im constontly under an unknown precense in my house,i dont know what or who ,but i beleive that jesus died for me on the cross,and he has given me all my hearts desire for i trust and have faith i him.This is what i call a post

Namaste PW,

thank you for the post.

perhaps... you've feel more comfortable in the General Apolegetics section or the Christians only sections of the forum.

this particular bit is about evolution and creationism and science in general... so the discussions here tend to be a bit more technical and dry than they would be in the other sections of the site.

 

[Underdog77]

Bellman- Creationism (YEC) is directly intertwined with Christianity! And let me try to verbalize why:
1) according to the Bible, the fall (the first sin) brought about the curse which included death
2) in order to release us of the death that came with the curse Christ had to die for our sins
3) if evolution or old earth creationism is correct, then there was death before the fall
4) if there was death before the fall, then sin is not the direct cause of death
5) if sin is not the direct cause of death then Christ's dying and raising from the grave for our sins does nothing to release us from death

All this to the conclusion that if the earth was not created in the 7 literal days that the Bible claims, from a Biblical viewpoint Christ's death and resurrection was in vain.

 

[Mistermystery]

hahah. that's funny.

 

[Underdog77]

?

 

[vajradhara]

hahah. that's funny.

Namaste MM,

don't laugh at the kid.. he's young still....

though.. if you'd like, you can certainly point out his theology is flawed...and that would probably be a service to him.

 

[Underdog77]

What is the flaw(s)? Everyone is laughing and looking down at me but have no explaination?

I won't redo my beliefs unless you give me something to think about. People have pointed out some of my flaws and I'm thankful for that (it only made my arguement less flawed).

Second, age has little to do with it. Just 'cause I'm 17 doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about.

 

[Arikay]

1 A) No physical death would be odd, especially since god told animals to be fruitful and multiply. You want a definition of hell, try breathing bugs and walking on bunny rabbits that would squish under your weight but not die. have you really thought this through?

1 B) Most christians see the "death" as a spiritual one not a physical one, just like they also see Adam being created in gods image as being a spiritual reference, not a physical one (unless you think god is a ape like biped). So the death that sin brought on was against our soul, not our body.

2) If sin causes physical death, and christ released us from this physical death, that means christians should live forever right? Christ releases our souls from sin, not our bodies, which supports the claim that it was a spiritual death.

3-5) No longer relavent.

Bellman- Creationism (YEC) is directly intertwined with Christianity! And let me try to verbalize why:
1) according to the Bible, the fall (the first sin) brought about the curse which included death
2) in order to release us of the death that came with the curse Christ had to die for our sins
3) if evolution or old earth creationism is correct, then there was death before the fall
4) if there was death before the fall, then sin is not the direct cause of death
5) if sin is not the direct cause of death then Christ's dying and raising from the grave for our sins does nothing to release us from death

All this to the conclusion that if the earth was not created in the 7 literal days that the Bible claims, from a Biblical viewpoint Christ's death and resurrection was in vain.

 

[Mistermystery]

Namaste MM,

don't laugh at the kid.. he's young still....

though.. if you'd like, you can certainly point out his theology is flawed...and that would probably be a service to him.

I should know better then to laugh at him, but when I see what other yec people do (mindlessly repeat themself, never change eventhough they are proven wrong), I can't always muster up the "strenght" or the will to carry on. I will again point out what was wrong of his post. though I will keep it shortly because it is rather late:

Bellman- Creationism (YEC) is directly intertwined with Christianity! And let me try to verbalize why:

First of all, I would like to appologize for laughing at you. that was inapropiate from my end, and out of line. I thought your intentions were not to learn here but to mindlessly try to push up your beliefs against my end. For what it's worth, sorry.

Noone is disputing the fact that yec's call themselfs Christians. I have never heard anyone say diffrently here. What bellman said was that creationists get mocked here because they use the same things over and over, because 99% of the time they use dubious science. Be that uncredible sources, scources that have been disproven years ago, or sources that are just made up of a bunch of lies.

1) according to the Bible, the fall (the first sin) brought about the curse which included death
2) in order to release us of the death that came with the curse Christ had to die for our sins
3) if evolution or old earth creationism is correct, then there was death before the fall

And what about the evidence of an older earth? Or what about all the other observations that we can make? Couldn't it be just that the people who wrote the OT didn't know, or couldn't explain it in correct terms how the first people came to be?

Nowhere in the bible is it said that the earth is 6000 years old, am I right? That is your assumption, because you believe that nothing has been left out of it. Well, what if it did?

4) if there was death before the fall, then sin is not the direct cause of death
5) if sin is not the direct cause of death then Christ's dying and raising from the grave for our sins does nothing to release us from death

Why does Christ has less credibility because it doesn't fall in place with your 6000 years interpertation?

All this to the conclusion that if the earth was not created in the 7 literal days that the Bible claims, from a Biblical viewpoint Christ's death and resurrection was in vain.

Uh. Well, at least you don't claim you have evidence for a 7-day period creation or something to that extend. If you want to believe that, then that's fine with me. Who should I be to challange that?

 

[Underdog77]

MisterMystery- I have learned some things in these forums (for instance: cosmic dust on the moon is not a credible evidence for a young earth...now I know). And its too late for me to think clearly enough to post anything close to what I'm trying say. Goodnight

 

[Underdog77]

Arikay- I thouht I was going to go to sleep but what you said disturbed me, about being fruitful and multiplying. But when I read the Bible I found out that He only said that to the birds, the waterlife, and to Adam and Eve. The birds woudn't get our way necessarily. The fish and others would be in the water. Humans, well humans would places on the earth.

But one other factor needs to be presented. God knew about the fall. He knew that IF (and I fail to see anything as a nuisance) any creature could become a nuisance it wouldn't because the fall would happen before the nuisance could pop up. Everything was declared perfect and it was perfect. God had planed for the fall even during the creation account. Perfect.

2) Some see the death as both physical (which happened) and spiritual (I'm not sure if Adam will go to Heaven or Hell?). But the point is that death affected both spirit and body.

3) While our physical body cannot be saved (God said "for dust you are and to dust you will return), God had a plan to save our spirits. God Himself said our bodies are doomed but our spirits, our souls can have salvation.

4) The rest of my points from my previous post become relevant again .

 

[Arikay]

1 A) If they couldn't die, they would eventually become a problem, even if they procreated at 1 new bird every 10 years they would eventually become a problem.

1 B) God knowing about the fall and planning for the fall opens up a whole new can of worms in theology, but that is for later.

3) So... The original sin causes our bodies to die, Jesus saves us from original sin, yet our bodies still die. Either Jesus has failed or original sin is not about our bodies, but our souls.

Arikay- I thouht I was going to go to sleep but what you said disturbed me, about being fruitful and multiplying. But when I read the Bible I found out that He only said that to the birds, the waterlife, and to Adam and Eve. The birds woudn't get our way necessarily. The fish and others would be in the water. Humans, well humans would places on the earth.

But one other factor needs to be presented. God knew about the fall. He knew that IF (and I fail to see anything as a nuisance) any creature could become a nuisance it wouldn't because the fall would happen before the nuisance could pop up. Everything was declared perfect and it was perfect. God had planed for the fall even during the creation account. Perfect.

2) Some see the death as both physical (which happened) and spiritual (I'm not sure if Adam will go to Heaven or Hell?). But the point is that death affected both spirit and body.

3) While our physical body cannot be saved (God said "for dust you are and to dust you will return), God had a plan to save our spirits. God Himself said our bodies are doomed but our spirits, our souls can have salvation.

4) The rest of my points from my previous post become relevant again .

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

Underdog - your comments about "recapitulated equilibrium" in another thread show you don't know what you're talking about, not your age.

And you don't know your theology too well either. The Christian hope is in the resurrection of our bodies. As the funeral service has it:

in sure and certain hope of the resurrection to eternal life.

Paul bangs on about this for ages in Corinthians; if Christ was not resurrected, nor can we be. That's what it's all about.

But I digress