They won't build it! Hardhats vow not to work on controversial mosque

Billnew · Aug 24, 2010

ZephyrWiccan said:
No, it will not. There is a mosque 4 blocks from Ground Zero, which has been there since before Ground Zero was constructed. Yes, Prayer room. You thought wrong. Perhaps you should get better informed sources or more reliable sources. The building will be a tall community center with various open rooms, a swimming pool, exercise room, etc. The top two floors (IIRC it was the top ones)will be a prayer space dedicated to Muslims, and a prayer space for people of any faith. See above.

What was there doesn't matter. It's what they want to build.
Wouldn't that be since ground zero was destructed?

Maybe you might offer us an unbias source?
CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/08/24/zelizer.republican.coalition/index.html?iref=allsearch

New York (CNN) -- Protesters gathered in lower Manhattan mid-day
Sunday to demonstrate against plans to build a mosque near the site of Ground Zero,

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/06/new.york.ground.zero.mosque/index.html
(fixed link problem)
ABC

Protesters went head to head today at the site of the proposed Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero in New York City.

Ground Zero Mosque Opponents, Supporters Turn Out to Demonstrate - ABC News

Usatoday

As illustrated by the national controversy over an Islamic community center and mosque proposed two blocks away,

At Ground Zero, proposed mosque not only controversy - USATODAY.com

So Christians, Jewish, Budists will be welcome to climb to the top of the building and pray? While I might be welcome to pray in a Budist temple or in a Jewish church, I would never consider it. I have prayed in a Catholic church on several occasions, it was attached to a place I worked.

When announced, was this called a Mosque? It should have been called an exercise facility.

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It is a collaboration between the American Society for Muslim Advancement and the Cordoba Initiative.
The Cordoba Initiative aims to improve relations between Muslims and the West.

I did find this quote interesting. Creating this building is suppose to improve the relationship?
Building a stones throw from where the towers fell, should make every happy?

Billnew · Aug 24, 2010

ZephyrWiccan said:
No, it will not.

They will not broadcast the call to prayer?
Or are you saying it won't be heard?

Two blocks away, anything broadcasted would be heard.

I admit, I don't know. In other Countries I have heard the call to prayer.
Do they not signal prayer time in the USA?

mcswan · Aug 24, 2010

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Ayersy · Aug 24, 2010

Billnew said:
They will not broadcast the call to prayer?
Or are you saying it won't be heard?

Two blocks away, anything broadcasted would be heard.

I admit, I don't know. In other Countries I have heard the call to prayer.
Do they not signal prayer time in the USA?

Who cares if they do? It's far enough away from GZ for it to be pretty faint if the sound does travel there over all the traffic and other noise around there.

Even if somehow people do hear it who are visiting GZ, so what? Are they going to have to deal with the reality that Muslims pray? If they are that easily offended by a mere sound, then they're idiots.

Ayersy · Aug 24, 2010

mcswan said:
Another relevant article, from which the following excerpts are taken.

From an Actual Moderate Muslim, a Memo to the MSM on Imam Rauf - Abdur-Rahman Muhammad:

"As I write, nearly two thousand protesters are gathered outside the location of the future mosque some having stood in the rain for hours providing a clear indication that the campaign to stop this project is intensifying. The pollsters tell us that nearly 70 percent of all Americans oppose the structure, yet its sponsors say the edifice will somehow promote interfaith dialogue and mutual understanding.

"Even more dishonest and dangerous to this country is the outrageously biased work in Time, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and Newsweek, and on NPR, PBS, MSNBC and CNN that has consistently portrayed popular opposition to this mosque and several other mosques around the country as evidence of bigotry and so-called Islamophobia. This is mass libel by these media institutions."

"The mainstream media has deliberately ignored the fact that there is legitimate basis for fear of mosques as it is a demonstrable fact that mosques and Muslims have been disproportionately connected to terrorism in this country and around the world, a fact that the media wont report. Moreover, in the examples of opposition to specific mosques chosen by the media as evidence of popular bigotry, the media has selectively ignored the openly available evidence showing unambiguously that these mosques or their officials are connected to or supportive of the radical Muslim Brotherhood (the parent of al-Qaeda), Hamas, and other radical Islamic fundamentalist organizations."

"If some Americans are suspicious and fearful of Muslims, its not without good reason, and nothing their self-appointed leadership has done or said in the nine years following 9/11 has allayed those fears. Non-Muslim Americans have yet to see any clean line of demarcation between radical moderate Muslims. Everywhere around the globe Muslims are the cause of so much bloodshed and turmoil, making life on this planet a living hell."

Pajamas Media » From an Actual Moderate Muslim, a Memo to the MSM on Imam Rauf

Sounds like a guy just spouting his opinion to me. There's no facts in there at all. Where's this openly available evidence that he was talking about?

My article at least provided things to back it up, like the fact it isn't actually a mosque, a diagram showing it's location, etc.

His one (Regardless of whether he's Muslim or not, idiots come from all faiths.) is just him saying "People are scared because they're scared!", so what?

Drekkan85 · Aug 24, 2010

Ayersy said:
Sounds like a guy just spouting his opinion to me. There's no facts in there at all. Where's this openly available evidence that he was talking about?

My article at least provided things to back it up, like the fact it isn't actually a mosque, a diagram showing it's location, etc.

His one (Regardless of whether he's Muslim or not, idiots come from all faiths.) is just him saying "People are scared because they're scared!", so what?

It's pointless to reason with people that base arguments on emotion and not reason.

Yusuf Evans · Aug 24, 2010

mcswan said:
"If some Americans are suspicious and fearful of Muslims, it’s not without good reason, and nothing their self-appointed leadership has done or said in the nine years following 9/11 has allayed those fears. Non-Muslim Americans have yet to see any clean line of demarcation between radical moderate Muslims. Everywhere around the globe Muslims are the cause of so much bloodshed and turmoil, making life on this planet a living hell."

The term "Uncle Tom" comes into play here. This guy is going to diss the whole Ummah simply based on the actions of a few. That is tragic indeed.

mcswan · Aug 24, 2010

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SOAD · Aug 24, 2010

mcswan said:
After all you're a man of great intelligence and integrity, and he's just a ignorant tool.

I agree with your statement. It has become quite clear that this controversy has been manufactured by those who wish to keep the appearance of Muslims as the people who caused 9/11, when in fact it was a small radical faction whom did not speak for Islam. There has not been one stitch of proof presented by the opposers to the mosque which links Muslims affiliated with this mosque to 9/11. The outrage is nothing more than emotions and fear.

It is sad to see such closed mindedness and hatred based on fear.

mcswan · Aug 24, 2010

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kiwimac · Aug 24, 2010

And still you do not get that simple majorities cannot be used to remove others rights. It is that simple. They own the land, they have the zoning permissions and they have the right to build there a community centre which btw is why there will be no call to prayer, it is simply put not a masjid.

mcswan · Aug 24, 2010

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SOAD · Aug 24, 2010

mcswan said:
Perhaps you've missed the fact that no one is arguing against this group having a legal right to build this project. The discussion is about whether that location is the right or wrong place for something that's ostensibly intended to unite a community, to build bridges in a difficult civic environment. The only rights being denigrated here are the rights of those who oppose the project, who are being demonized as ignorant bigots, and are being shouted down by sadly misinformed bystanders like you.

You can't possibly be this obtuse by accident.

You claim they have the right to protest the building of this mosque, and I say I have the right to protest those who protest the building of this mosque. Apparently protest for your cause is good, but you do not like it when others protest your cause.

See how that works?

Yusuf Evans · Aug 24, 2010

mcswan said:
The only rights being denigrated here are the rights of those who oppose the project, who are being demonized as ignorant bigots, and are being shouted down by sadly misinformed bystanders like you.

And the ones supporting the building of this community center are being called insensitive and supporting terrorism. Pot calling the kettle black.

mcswan · Aug 24, 2010

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SOAD · Aug 24, 2010

mcswan said:
I don't disagree with that. How about we calm the whole thing down and stop calling each other ignorant bigots and terrorists.

If the protestors stop calling those who want to build the mosque terrorists (or terrorist associates and supporters), then there would be no reason to protest the building of the mosque!

mcswan · Aug 24, 2010

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SOAD · Aug 24, 2010

mcswan said:
"You claim they have the right to protest the building of this mosque"
Yes, they do.

"I say I have the right to protest those who protest the building of this mosque."
Yes, you do.

"Apparently protest for your cause is good"
Yes, it is.

"you do not like it when others protest your cause."
True enuff, but not enuff to call you ignorant bigots. We just disagree.

BTW, protest against my cause is just plain wrong!
Just kidding, lighten up!

Good thing then, that I called nobody an ignorant bigot. However, if some of them just happen to be ignorant bigots, I would support their constitutional right to be one!

Belk · Aug 24, 2010

mcswan said:
Perhaps you've missed the fact that no one is arguing against this group having a legal right to build this project. The discussion is about whether that location is the right or wrong place for something that's ostensibly intended to unite a community, to build bridges in a difficult civic environment. The only rights being denigrated here are the rights of those who oppose the project, who are being demonized as ignorant bigots, and are being shouted down by sadly misinformed bystanders like you.

You can't possibly be this obtuse by accident.

It is? I thought the community in question had already voted and shown it's support for this building? Why do we need a national discussion for a local matter?

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