They Call It Roman

[Rick Otto]

Peace

Thanks, but it's cool.
I been lettin' just to or three people put on edge lately.
I should grow up & chill out.

 

[sunlover1]

You make ME wanna be called Roman, girlfriend!
It ain't so much what ya say as the way ya say it, huh.?

Says the master of oratory.

That's why I never feared bein' in the belly of a beast, because it doesn't matter what the system is, it's how people treat each other within it that makes them Christian or not.

Solid

I think my sense of humor has gotten strained because of few people refuse to to see it, but I should remember all the RC friends I have here that educate me & laugh at the jokes I make at their expense

Whoever it is, let me at em.
We, your friends, miss your humor.
and man, logic has flown right out the window
lately, I keep waiting for a word or two from
the wordsmith, only to find he's been oppressed?

(Um, dont forget the EO friends u have)
They so get left out eh?




Smile baby,
you got Jesus !!!

 

[tadoflamb]

Thanks, but it's cool.
I been lettin' just to or three people put on edge lately.
I should grow up & chill out.

It's enough to make a lesser person upset.

I still think you're funny Rick.

 

[TraderJack]

If he could produce more up to date documents.

What's the title of one of Scott Hahn's books?

"Home Sweet Rome".

Face the facts, Roman has been used by adherants of the Roman church for centuries and still is.

 

[TraderJack]

pass tense, those terms are not common anymore, if they became common agian I would use the terms Reformed Catholic and Evangelical Catholic.
I am fine with the term Roman Catholic as a popular modern american term for what I call the Catholic Church...

And that is just it, you call it "The Catholic church" when it is not "The Catholic church", and thanks to a little something called, "freedom", we can freely scrutinize, test, challenge, expose and oppose the claims of Rome.

We are the True Catholics.

 

[Catholic Christian]

And that is just it, you call it "The Catholic church" when it is not "The Catholic church", and thanks to a little something called, "freedom", we can freely scrutinize, test, challenge, expose and oppose the claims of Rome.

We are the True Catholics.

FOUR MARKS OF THE TRUE CHURCH

If we wish to locate the Church founded by Jesus, we need to locate the one that has the four chief marks or qualities of his Church. The Church we seek must be one, holy, catholic, and apostolic.

The Church Is One (Rom. 12:5, 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:13, CCC 813–822)
Jesus established only one Church, not a collection of differing churches (Lutheran, Baptist, Anglican, and so on). The Bible says the Church is the bride of Christ (Eph. 5:23–32). Jesus can have but one spouse, and his spouse is the Catholic Church.

His Church also teaches just one set of doctrines, which must be the same as those taught by the apostles (Jude 3). This is the unity of belief to which Scripture calls us (Phil. 1:27, 2:2).

Although some Catholics dissent from officially-taught doctrines, the Church’s official teachers—the pope and the bishops united with him—have never changed any doctrine. Over the centuries, as doctrines are examined more fully, the Church comes to understand them more deeply (John 16:12–13), but it never understands them to mean the opposite of what they once meant.

The Church Is Holy (Eph. 5:25–27, Rev. 19:7–8, CCC 823–829)
By his grace Jesus makes the Church holy, just as he is holy. This doesn’t mean that each member is always holy. Jesus said there would be both good and bad members in the Church (John 6:70), and not all the members would go to heaven (Matt. 7:21–23).

But the Church itself is holy because it is the source of holiness and is the guardian of the special means of grace Jesus established, the sacraments (cf. Eph. 5:26).

The Church Is Catholic (Matt. 28:19–20, Rev. 5:9–10, CCC 830–856)
Jesus’ Church is called catholic ("universal" in Greek) because it is his gift to all people. He told his apostles to go throughout the world and make disciples of "all nations" (Matt. 28:19–20).

For 2,000 years the Catholic Church has carried out this mission, preaching the good news that Christ died for all men and that he wants all of us to be members of his universal family (Gal. 3:28).

Nowadays the Catholic Church is found in every country of the world and is still sending out missionaries to "make disciples of all nations" (Matt. 28:19).

The Church Jesus established was known by its most common title, "the Catholic Church," at least as early as the year 107, when Ignatius of Antioch used that title to describe the one Church Jesus founded. The title apparently was old in Ignatius’s time, which means it probably went all the way back to the time of the apostles.

The Church Is Apostolic (Eph. 2:19–20, CCC 857–865)
The Church Jesus founded is apostolic because he appointed the apostles to be the first leaders of the Church, and their successors were to be its future leaders. The apostles were the first bishops, and, since the first century, there has been an unbroken line of Catholic bishops faithfully handing on what the apostles taught the first Christians in Scripture and oral Tradition (2 Tim. 2:2).

These beliefs include the bodily Resurrection of Jesus, the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, the sacrificial nature of the Mass, the forgiveness of sins through a priest, baptismal regeneration, the existence of purgatory, Mary’s special role, and much more —even the doctrine of apostolic succession itself.

Early Christian writings prove the first Christians were thoroughly Catholic in belief and practice and looked to the successors of the apostles as their leaders. What these first Christians believed is still believed by the Catholic Church. No other Church can make that claim.

Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth:
Man’s ingenuity cannot account for this. The Church has remained one, holy, catholic, and apostolic—not through man’s effort, but because God preserves the Church he established (Matt. 16:18, 28:20). He guided the Israelites on their escape from Egypt by giving them a pillar of fire to light their way across the dark wilderness (Exod. 13:21). Today he guides us through his Catholic Church.

The Bible, sacred Tradition, and the writings of the earliest Christians testify that the Church teaches with Jesus’ authority. In this age of countless competing religions, each clamoring for attention, one voice rises above the din: the Catholic Church, which the Bible calls "the pillar and foundation of truth" (1 Tim. 3:15).

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Source:
"Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth:
http://www.catholic.com/library/Pillar.asp

 

[TraderJack]

Originally Posted by TraderJack
Actually, we called ourselves, "Reformed Catholics and Evangelical Catholics" before the Roman slurs and smears were invented.

Any particular reason why you've failed to retain the Catholic part?

Well, you need to understand that we are thickskinned, so when the Romans invented their slurs, instead of whining about it, we took them on proudly.

 

[TraderJack]

FOUR MARKS OF THE TRUE CHURCH

If we wish to locate the Church founded by Jesus, we need to locate the one that has the four chief marks or qualities of his Church. The Church we seek must be one, holy, catholic, and apostolic.

The Church Is One (Rom. 12:5, 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:13, CCC 813–822)
Jesus established only one Church

And all local churches that are geniune believers in Christ are "living stones" that comprise the Church of Christ under the headship of Christ, not a pope.

It is Rome's error to falsely believe it's heirarchy makes it a true church.

 

[holdon]

Well, you need to understand that we are thickskinned, so when the Romans invented their slurs, instead of whining about it, we took them on proudly.

But the Romans do take the term Roman proudly! See post #3 in this thread.

They are proud of having taken control of the Roman Empire: they are Romanists.

They are proud to be riding the beast apparently...

 

[TraderJack]

There is only one Catholic Church and you are not member of her. You are outside of the Catholic Church.

No, in reality we, whom you call "protestants" are the True Catholic Church, along with all genuine believers in Christ, the Roman religion is not "The Catholic Church" at all, it is a usurper.


Now, if Rome will renounce the papacy, "unam sanctum", Lateran IV, Trent, Vatican I & II, renounce the Marian dogmas, auricular confession and penance, purgatory, indulgences, praying to Mary and the spirits of the departed and the entire sacerdotal sacramentalist system of salvation, then we can discuss letting the Roman church back into the fold.

 

[TraderJack]

There is only one Catholic Church and you are not member of her. You are outside of the Catholic Church.

No, it is you who is outside the True Catholic Church. However, I am most definitely outside the Roman church, as Christ and the Apostolic Tradition recorded and preserved in the Sacred Scriptures command.

Your posts and threads arguing against Catholicism proves that much.

No, I present evidence that exposes and opposes many of the claims of Roman Catholicism, not catholicism, that is one of the wonderful things about freedom, we are free to do that.

What do you have against freedom?

 

[tadoflamb]

No, in reality we, whom you call "protestants" are the True Catholic Church, along with all genuine believers in Christ, the Roman religion is not "The Catholic Church" at all, it is a usurper.


Now, if Rome will renounce the papacy, "unam sanctum", Lateran IV, Trent, Vatican I & II, renounce the Marian dogmas, auricular confession and penance, purgatory, indulgences, praying to Mary and the spirits of the departed and the entire sacerdotal sacramentalist system of salvation, then we can discuss letting the Roman church back into the fold.

Who is this we you're talking about?

 

[TraderJack]

Who is this we you're talking about?

The True Catholic Church.

 

[tadoflamb]

The True Catholic Church.

You mean the one I can't see because it's invisible?

 

[mont974x4]

You mean the one I can't see because it's invisible?

Nope the one that's made up of all true beleivers....from every denomination. They are mixed in with goats, but rumor has it thay will be sorted out at a later date.





btw, morning Tad...coffee?

Jay

 

[TraderJack]

You mean the one I can't see because it's invisible?

No, we are visible. You see us right here.

 

[lionroar0]

No, we are visible. You see us right here.

All the ones not united in like mind like St. Paul says.

No, it is you who is outside the True Catholic Church. However, I am most definitely outside the Roman church, as Christ and the Apostolic Tradition recorded and preserved in the Sacred Scriptures command.

Here's a simple way to test that theory.

The Church is one. failed.

The Church is holy. pass.

The Church is Catholic. failed.

The Church is apostolic. failed.

No, I present evidence that exposes and opposes many of the claims of Roman Catholicism, not catholicism, that is one of the wonderful things about freedom, we are free to do that.

What do you have against freedom?

I have nothing against freedom. Otherwise we wouldn't be free to post rebutalls.

Now, if Rome will renounce the papacy, "unam sanctum", Lateran IV, Trent, Vatican I & II, renounce the Marian dogmas, auricular confession and penance, purgatory, indulgences, praying to Mary and the spirits of the departed and the entire sacerdotal sacramentalist system of salvation, then we can discuss letting the Roman church back into the fold.

No, in reality we, whom you call "protestants" are the True Catholic Church, along with all genuine believers in Christ, the Roman religion is not "The Catholic Church" at all, it is a usurper.

I just don't know how to respond to this rubbish.

BTW we do belive that non-catholics are christians and part of the invisible church.

Peace

 

[Komnenos]

To Trader Jack,
how do you see the Orthodox Church?

 

[mont974x4]

All the ones not united in like mind like St. Paul says.


Here's a simple way to test that theory.

The Church is one. failed.

The Church is holy. pass.

The Church is Catholic. failed.

The Church is apostolic. failed.



I have nothing against freedom. Otherwise we wouldn't be free to post rebutalls.




I just don't know how to respond to this rubbish.

BTW we do belive that non-catholics are christians and part of the invisible church.

Peace

talk about rubbish

 

[lionroar0]

talk about rubbish

Which part and how is it rubbish?

Peace