They are Both true!

[Teft]

I am new here. I want to state in my opinion that Creation and Evolution are both true. I see no contradiction here. The Bible talks of creation, Evolution talks of creation. The Bible does not "explain" how God created the world, it explains "that" it was created. Can you imagine how long the Genesis would be if it laid out the whole process, and what would it matter? And the whole "on the 5th day" thing - day helps us understand the process, not the actual time table. The Bible is symbolic (Noahs Ark, come on), not "literal". It would lack any beauty and eloquence if it were.

Evolution does not go against the Bible in my opinion.

Take care,

Teft

 

[DrunkenWrestler]

Can you imagine how long the Genesis would be if it laid out the whole process, and what would it matter?

Good thing understanding evolution isn't a necessary condition for being saved (which is probably why the details were left out as most TEs would say). Otherwise, a lot of creationist won't make it to Heaven.

 

[Wotan]

Thats what many christians believe, God made us through evolution, but i dont believe God needed anything to do with it and creationists think it happened exactly like it says in the good book, (he said it and it was so etc etc)

 

[Talcos Stormweaver]

Thats what many christians believe, God made us through evolution, but i dont believe God needed anything to do with it...

Well, he himself didn't necessarily have to. By letting the process accomplish his goals, he's essentially playing a game of chess with the universe. Being God -knowing which moves will lead to which - enables him to indirectly influence the outcome.

 

[In A Perfect World]

That's a better way of looking at things, I think.

 

[NamesAreHardToPick]

I am very glad you came to that decision. It is unfortunate that people that make Christianity out to be something that is against evolution or vice versa.

 

[revolutio]

God seems so good at doing cool stuff through natural laws I don't see why he would break them at seemingly arbitrary times. Plus, with fun stuff like quantum phenomenon, miracles really are possible!

 

[MarinoMan]

I'm just wondering how you can make Creation symbolic? It say in the bible that "there was morning and there was evening". Does this mean a million mornings and evenings or what...and if that is the case then how do you know that anytime it mentions morning in the bible it isn't a million mornings or just one?

 

[tocis]

The Bible talks of creation, Evolution talks of creation.

Umm, no. Evolution deals with how existing populations change. You might want to specify that statement by including abiogenesis and cosmology.

The Bible does not "explain" how God created the world, it explains "that" it was created.

Unfortunately, the literal text very clearly makes a claim to the "how" question... which is why there is all the trouble with YECs and other fanatics running around. If the bible indeed just said "Well, err, god created it all. And after the creation, the following happened: [...]", it would all be much easier.

The Bible is symbolic (Noahs Ark, come on), not "literal". It would lack any beauty and eloquence if it were.

Evolution does not go against the Bible in my opinion.

100 % agreed.

 

[ebia]

I'm just wondering how you can make Creation symbolic? It say in the bible that "there was morning and there was evening". Does this mean a million mornings and evenings or what...and if that is the case then how do you know that anytime it mentions morning in the bible it isn't a million mornings or just one?

It means it took time, and the author was interested in casting it in terms of a week to set a precident for the sabbath. Somehow the idea that God literally worked for 6 days and then took a day off is absurd. What did he do? Sit around watching TV? Go down the pub?

 

[John16:2]

I am new here. I want to state in my opinion that Creation and Evolution are both true. I see no contradiction here. The Bible talks of creation, Evolution talks of creation. The Bible does not "explain" how God created the world, it explains "that" it was created. Can you imagine how long the Genesis would be if it laid out the whole process, and what would it matter? And the whole "on the 5th day" thing - day helps us understand the process, not the actual time table. The Bible is symbolic (Noahs Ark, come on), not "literal". It would lack any beauty and eloquence if it were.

Evolution does not go against the Bible in my opinion.

Take care,

Teft

Welcome to CF Teft! Put on a helmet & armor for this site! I agree evolution occurs by radiation event mutations & natural selection. Yet the famous "missing link" is actually multiple missing links.

Evolutionists neglect to accept that the "sons of God" of Genesis 6:2-4 upgraded the gene pool by mating with people. They ignore that there were people for the children of Adam & Eve to mate with.

2 theories here about that; the "new earth" promised in 2 Peter 3:13, Isaiah 65:17 & 66:22, and Rev 21:1 is given to the 144000 redeemed in the trib. The Lord is in the "new earth" at Eden, so why not the redeemed also?

Theory 2; those who mated with the children of Adam were subhumans upgrading their genes, meaning Adam was a new breed of man. The flood then rid the earth of subhumans, by that scenario.

I don't rule out an ark, or the "sons of God" preserving botany samples, species & people, or even causing the flood for God by artificial gravity field. Exodus 13:21 says the Lord was IN the flying cylinder that led Moses...ufoevidence.org.

Graduated genetic jumps can account for stages of evolution without making the creation story wrong. An angel announced the pregnancy of Mary before she knew...artificial insemination! Many unknown Marys are possible in the progression from apes to man.

 

[gluadys]

Welcome to CF Teft! Put on a helmet & armor for this site! I agree evolution occurs by radiation event mutations & natural selection. Yet the famous "missing link" is actually multiple missing links.

Evolutionists neglect to accept that the "sons of God" of Genesis 6:2-4 upgraded the gene pool by mating with people. They ignore that there were people for the children of Adam & Eve to mate with.

2 theories here about that; the "new earth" promised in 2 Peter 3:13, Isaiah 65:17 & 66:22, and Rev 21:1 is given to the 144000 redeemed in the trib. The Lord is in the "new earth" at Eden, so why not the redeemed also?

Theory 2; those who mated with the children of Adam were subhumans upgrading their genes, meaning Adam was a new breed of man. The flood then rid the earth of subhumans, by that scenario.

I don't rule out an ark, or the "sons of God" preserving botany samples, species & people, or even causing the flood for God by artificial gravity field. Exodus 13:21 says the Lord was IN the flying cylinder that led Moses...ufoevidence.org.

Graduated genetic jumps can account for stages of evolution without making the creation story wrong. An angel announced the pregnancy of Mary before she knew...artificial insemination! Many unknown Marys are possible in the progression from apes to man.

The problem with trying to insert modern scientific knowledge into scripture is that you end up with both insane "science" and wacky "theology" as the quote above shows.

 

[gluadys]

I'm just wondering how you can make Creation symbolic? It say in the bible that "there was morning and there was evening". Does this mean a million mornings and evenings or what...and if that is the case then how do you know that anytime it mentions morning in the bible it isn't a million mornings or just one?

The days are literal---within the framework of the story. It is the story as a whole that is not literal, so the days are not historical days. They are just the timeline used in the story.

Compare, for example, the days in Bridget Jones Diary. If you did not know the story was fiction, you would take the days for literal days. They are even dated by our standard calendar e.g. April 7, 1998. That is the way the author framed the story. But it doesn't mean that there was a real Bridget Jones or that the events recorded in her diary actually happened.

 

[John16:2]

The problem with trying to insert modern scientific knowledge into scripture is that you end up with both insane "science" and wacky "theology" as the quote above shows.

Your hostile name calling there ignores the fact that SCIENCE NOW VALIDATES the possibility that the Bible is very correct on many points, and I reinforce the Bible validity by posting this valid info. It's your mindset that rejects this, not a scientific counter argument.

 

[Mistermystery]

I am new here. I want to state in my opinion that Creation and Evolution are both true. I see no contradiction here. The Bible talks of creation, Evolution talks of creation. The Bible does not "explain" how God created the world, it explains "that" it was created. Can you imagine how long the Genesis would be if it laid out the whole process, and what would it matter? And the whole "on the 5th day" thing - day helps us understand the process, not the actual time table. The Bible is symbolic (Noahs Ark, come on), not "literal". It would lack any beauty and eloquence if it were.

Evolution does not go against the Bible in my opinion.

Take care,

Teft

Good boy. Just a few more years and I can see great things for you in the filthy-baby-eating-evil-atheist-conspiracy... How does vice-president sound for yah?

hehe just kidding.

 

[Mistermystery]

Your hostile name calling there

She's right though, you are spewing forth many insane notions.

 

[azzy]

I am new here. I want to state in my opinion that Creation and Evolution are both true. I see no contradiction here. The Bible talks of creation, Evolution talks of creation. The Bible does not "explain" how God created the world, it explains "that" it was created. Can you imagine how long the Genesis would be if it laid out the whole process, and what would it matter? And the whole "on the 5th day" thing - day helps us understand the process, not the actual time table. The Bible is symbolic (Noahs Ark, come on), not "literal". It would lack any beauty and eloquence if it were.

Evolution does not go against the Bible in my opinion.

Take care,

Teft

The bible says that God brought the animals to adam and adam named them.

They are not both true.Man was not created from apes,but from the dust of the ground,and God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life.And man became a living soul.We are higher than the animal kingdom,and have dominion over them,to say that man is an animal is to degrade man who was created in Gods image,and in his likeness.

Thats the work of the wicked one,to lower man(Who was made in Gods image)and to say that we are no better than animals.The devil hates God so much that he seeks to destroy man and to lower man who was made in Gods image.

We will always have more in common with God,than with the wicked one.

 

[azzy]

In my humble opinion,sometimes evolution is a way to degrade man,limit Gods ability(how could God creat everything in only 6 days?)And try to explain God,or try to figure him out,and put him in our little minds.



God is absolutly able to creat this whole universe in 6 days.Even if we dont see how he can do it,He is still able to.

 

[artybloke]

I'm just wondering how you can make Creation symbolic? It say in the bible that "there was morning and there was evening".

You ever heard of poetry?

 

[Mistermystery]

Hey azzy

In my humble opinion,sometimes evolution is a way to degrade man, limit Gods ability (how could God creat everything in only 6 days?)And try to explain God,or try to figure him out,and put him in our little minds.

1) I disagree. With evolution I suddenly have a big strong bond with each and every living thing on the planet, instead of the vague notion that we were all created at some sort in time on some day. I have a bound with everything on the planet, that does not seem like a degradetion of man.

2) I bolded out your "limit god" thing, because I find it amusing.. You first say that we are limiting God, then you are saying that God created in 6 days, period. Why not 6 weeks? 6 seconds? 6 nanoseconds? I mean, He's God isn't he?

Why are you limiting God by saying that Evolution couldn't be used as His tool? Couldn't he have used that process to create the biodiversity of life as we know it?