There's increasing evidence to show that trees are able to communicate with each other.

[Jimmy D]

You feel to realize the exactness...multiple exactness..of mutations required to produce a protective chemical.

I was under the impression that you education in biology was quite poor, it seems I must apologize for that assumption. What are these mutations we're failing to comprehend?

 

[Jimmy D]

Judges 9:7 And when they told it to Jotham, he went and stood in the top of mount Gerizim, and lifted up his voice, and cried, and said unto them, Hearken unto me, ye men of Shechem, that God may hearken unto you.
8 The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive tree, Reign thou over us.
9 But the olive tree said unto them, Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honour God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?
10 And the trees said to the fig tree, Come thou, and reign over us.
11 But the fig tree said unto them, Should I forsake my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to be promoted over the trees?
12 Then said the trees unto the vine, Come thou, and reign over us.
13 And the vine said unto them, Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?
14 Then said all the trees unto the bramble, Come thou, and reign over us.
15 And the bramble said unto the trees, If in truth ye anoint me king over you, then come and put your trust in my shadow: and if not, let fire come out of the bramble, and devour the cedars of Lebanon.

Tree's used to talk in 'olde tymey' English? You learn something new everyday.

 

[AV1611VET]

Tree's used to talk in 'olde tymey' English? You learn something new everyday.

Strange bloaks, aren't they?

 

[-57]

Do creationists really really have to keep repeating that vacuous nonsense? They demonstrate only that they haven't got a clue what they are talking about.

You're still moot.

 

[-57]

Have you calculated these odds or are you just making things up?

The odds are impossible.
You do know it is the evo-minded who claim it can happen. All you have is a claim.

 

[lesliedellow]

You're still moot.

If the machine code of a computer program became corrupted in some way, the effect would be to introduce new information, in place of the information previously there. The processor would still happily execute it, but its behaviiour woould be modified in some way.

 

[Grafted In]

Oak trees are toxic to most other plantlife about them.

Then there's meat eating plants. I believe God created th just as they are.

Then there's the sensitive plants that close when you touch them.
Same thing, made just as they are.

The most complex of all our senses is smell. Our nose has instant access to the brain and every thing we have ever smelled is stored exactly as we first encountered it.

Some odors may have hundreds or thousands of constituants that make it up. The sense of smell can bring back a memory exactly as we knew it.

Some of this I embellished.

 

[lesliedellow]

Some of this I embellished.

I never would have guessed. 80% of our information about the world around us comes through sight, with hearing accounting for most of the remaining 20%.

 

[Grafted In]

No way.
The sense of smell has the most immediate access to the brain.

 

[MennoSota]

Judges 9:7 And when they told it to Jotham, he went and stood in the top of mount Gerizim, and lifted up his voice, and cried, and said unto them, Hearken unto me, ye men of Shechem, that God may hearken unto you.
8 The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive tree, Reign thou over us.
9 But the olive tree said unto them, Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honour God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?
10 And the trees said to the fig tree, Come thou, and reign over us.
11 But the fig tree said unto them, Should I forsake my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to be promoted over the trees?
12 Then said the trees unto the vine, Come thou, and reign over us.
13 And the vine said unto them, Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?
14 Then said all the trees unto the bramble, Come thou, and reign over us.
15 And the bramble said unto the trees, If in truth ye anoint me king over you, then come and put your trust in my shadow: and if not, let fire come out of the bramble, and devour the cedars of Lebanon.

 

[AV1611VET]

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Just a little humor!

 

[Jimmy D]

The odds are impossible.
You do know it is the evo-minded who claim it can happen. All you have is a claim.

Good one. You claimed that the odds are impossible - how did you calculate these odds? I think most of us can see you are simply making things up to suit your 'beliefs', can you show otherwise?

 

[Jimmy D]

You feel to realize the exactness...multiple exactness..of mutations required to produce a protective chemical.

You failed to respond when asked about this assertion, exactly what mutations would be required? You are talking as if you know something to be fact when it's clear that you can't actually demonstrate it to be true.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

If the machine code of a computer program became corrupted in some way, the effect would be to introduce new information, in place of the information previously there. The processor would still happily execute it, but its behaviiour woould be modified in some way.

But it's still the case that a traditional computer program. e.g. defining a process as a sequence of operations, is far more functionally fragile in respect of corruption than most of the genetic code (evolution itself has seen to that). For example, corruption in a gene will just change the protein transcribed from it.

 

[-57]

If the machine code of a computer program became corrupted in some way, the effect would be to introduce new information, in place of the information previously there. The processor would still happily execute it, but its behaviiour woould be modified in some way.

You missed the pont. Under your scenario I could take a sentence...jumble up the letters and you would still call it information.

 

[-57]

Good one. You claimed that the odds are impossible - how did you calculate these odds? I think most of us can see you are simply making things up to suit your 'beliefs', can you show otherwise?

OK Jimmy...lets calculate the odds....how many mutations out of every 100 do you consider will enhance the benefit of a multi cellular organism?

 

[-57]

You failed to respond when asked about this assertion, exactly what mutations would be required? You are talking as if you know something to be fact when it's clear that you can't actually demonstrate it to be true.

It really doesn't matter what "mutation" occurs....just that they enhance the fitness of the organism evolving.
As to the exactness....in the so-called evolution of a dolphins echo-location system....a mutation to the dolphins median notch won't effect the "evolving" mellon. The exactness required MUST occur in the DNA code responsible for the formation of the mellon. Considering several components of the echo-location are dependent on each other both components would be required to have mutations occurring in just the right place at just the right time supporting dependent evolution.

 

[Grafted In]

Just thought I'd mention in case I'm not the only person did not know, that around the turn of the 20th century 6,000,000,000,000 chestnut trees were wiped out by a critter or some such thing.
Prior to the plague chestnut was the major framework for most of the buildings on the eastern side of the US.

Folks, that's 6 trillion trees. A large number of those that died standing were used anyway, though they were full of worm holes.

If scientists know where a small number of them that survived are (as I read there were a very small number), they are keeping it secret. And they are struggling to breed it back into existance using chestnut trees from other countries. Only the US chestnuts were suitable for building foundations. They are using one that grows in China that is slower growing and do not produce quality lumber. There are several chestnuts from other regions of the world they are crossing them with, as well, but it will take many generations to bring them back....if at all.

 

[Jimmy D]

OK Jimmy...lets calculate the odds....how many mutations out of every 100 do you consider will enhance the benefit of a multi cellular organism?

Shifting the burden of proof? We're still waiting for your calculations, did you make your claim up?

"Your problem is adding to a mutation that has enhanced the fitness of an organism. The odds alone tell us a second mutation BY CHANCE occurring in the DNA that adds to the first...is impossible....let alone a third, fourth, fifth, etc."

Did you actually mean to say that you don't believe it's possible? You made it seem like you were stating an evidenced fact which is a bit misleading when it's neither evidenced or a fact. At least be honest about it.

 

[Jimmy D]

It really doesn't matter what "mutation" occurs....just that they enhance the fitness of the organism evolving.
As to the exactness....in the so-called evolution of a dolphins echo-location system....a mutation to the dolphins median notch won't effect the "evolving" mellon. The exactness required MUST occur in the DNA code responsible for the formation of the mellon. Considering several components of the echo-location are dependent on each other both components would be required to have mutations occurring in just the right place at just the right time supporting dependent evolution.

So you don't know, why didn't you just say so. I don't know either but then I haven't studied plant evolution in any detail, has any research been done to identify this mutation or series of mutations?

BTW the thread is not about dolphins so I'll ignore that. Feel free to start a dolphin thread if that's what you like to discuss.