There is only One Gospel

[Sola Scriptura]

If you want we can stricken that from my point. It doesn't change the point I was making.

Again, however, what is the point here? I have explained several times that this debate isn't allowed here, and I am fully expecting that my posts will be removed from this thread. And also in my previous post I don't see how quoting proof texts that I am sure you are already aware of is going to be very fruitful.

If you really want this debate, if you really want to go about a lengthy process of exegetical wrangling then it should be in the appropriate place. However, I am not sure where, at this time, that would be. The forum rules stipulate that such conversations happen in the Outreach section of the forum, but I am unclear which part of that area would be best suited for it.

While debate is not permissible, the Exploring Christianity board in the Outreach section is available for asking questions. And thus questions concerning the Trinity and Christological matters can be posed there to be answered--but, again, debate over those subjects isn't allowed there.

-CryptoLutheran

Well since this forum category says "Discussion and debate" then we are safe..... unless you want to bow out that is...

 

[St_Worm2]

Well since this forum category says "Discussion and debate" then we are safe..... unless you want to bow out that is...

Here's the opening portion of the Statement of Purpose for this particular board. While it's true that these boards are meant for "discussion and debate", there are limitations (rules) that need to be followed or the mods will step in and delete the posts that violate one or more of them.

Controversial Christian Theology Statement of Purpose (in part)

Welcome to Controversial Christian Theology forum. This forum is for discussing and debating topics that do not directly oppose the Nicene Creed, but are not considered to be traditional orthodox Christian theology on CF. These unorthodox topics may not contradict the Nicene Creed. All posts must to adhere to the CF Statement of Faith. This forum is open to Christian members only. Please refer to our faith groups list for clarification. This forum is not intended to be a "safe haven" for members who hold unorthodox Christian beliefs.

Non-Trinitarianism may only be discussed in the Outreach category forums. Gnosticism may not be discussed in any CF forums. Unorthodox Christian theological topics include (but are not limited to):

• Annihilationism
• Full Preterism
• Open Theism
• Universalism

Faith groups and individuals that deny the full, eternal deity of Jesus Christ or His incarnation whereby He, as God, took on human flesh (becoming fully God and fully man in one person), are considered non-Christians at CF. Posts that deny the full, eternal deity of Jesus Christ or His incarnation are considered non-Christian theology and are not allowed in "Christians Only" forums.

Discussions in all "Christians Only" forums must be in alignment with Trinitarian beliefs.

~Statement of Purpose - Controversial Christian Theology Statement of Purpose
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--David

 

[Davy]

The good news in the OT pointed or looked forward to Christ. Jesus taught the Gospel to His Apostles and Paul defines the One Gospel by which we are saved in

1 Corinthians 15:1-2
Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved,

And if you keep reading Paul defines this One Gospel by which we are saved.
1 Corinthians 15:3-19

I hope you aren't preaching men's Hyper-Dispensationalism, which is an offshoot of the false Pre-trib Rapture theory.

That theory teaches that only Paul's Epistles are relevant to Christ's Church. That of course is a false teaching. That theory came about in the 1830s with Darby's teaching in Britain the pre-trib rapture. They came up with the idea that the preaching of the 'kingdom' is meant only for Jews, because they think Jesus is going to rapture His Church to Heaven to live out the great tribulation, which of course is not written.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

I hope you aren't preaching men's Hyper-Dispensationalism, which is an offshoot of the false Pre-trib Rapture theory.

That theory teaches that only Paul's Epistles are relevant to Christ's Church. That of course is a false teaching. That theory came about in the 1830s with Darby's teaching in Britain the pre-trib rapture. They came up with the idea that the preaching of the 'kingdom' is meant only for Jews, because they think Jesus is going to rapture His Church to Heaven to live out the great tribulation, which of course is not written.

How on earth do you get that from the gospel in 1 Cor 15:3-19 ?

 

[Davy]

How on earth do you get that from the gospel in 1 Cor 15:3-19 ?

Look up Hyper-Dispensationalism.

They believe that only Paul's Epistles are relevant to Christ's Church. They wrongly teach that Paul preached a 'different' Gospel than the other Apostles, which of course is their theory. So when anyone tries to say Paul's gospel contrasting it as being different than the gospel of the kingdom, that idea originates from them. Paul did not have a separate Gospel of Jesus Christ, for there is only One Gospel. The difference between what Paul preached and what Peter preached was about stewardship in the One Gospel. Paul was sent to the Gentiles, and Peter was sent to the Jews. Simple as that.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Look up Hyper-Dispensationalism.

They believe that only Paul's Epistles are relevant to Christ's Church. They wrongly teach that Paul preached a 'different' Gospel than the other Apostles, which of course is their theory. So when anyone tries to say Paul's gospel contrasting it as being different than the gospel of the kingdom, that idea originates from them. Paul did not have a separate Gospel of Jesus Christ, for there is only One Gospel. The difference between what Paul preached and what Peter preached was about stewardship in the One Gospel. Paul was sent to the Gentiles, and Peter was sent to the Jews. Simple as that.

One Gospel is one gospel- its the same gospel as the apostles and Jesus taught.

 

[Guojing]

One Gospel is one gospel- its the same gospel as the apostles and Jesus taught.

If it was all the same gospel, why do you think they needed the Jerusalem Council event in Acts 15 and Galatians 2?

 

[jgr]

If it was all the same gospel, why do you think they needed the Jerusalem Council event in Acts 15 and Galatians 2?

Philippians 1:27
Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

 

[Davy]

One Gospel is one gospel- its the same gospel as the apostles and Jesus taught.

I agree, there's only one Gospel.

But that's not what the Hyper-Dispensationalists are teaching.

They instead wrongly teach two gospels, one for the Jews, and another one for the Gentiles.

Their doing that came about because of the Pre-trib Rapture theory in 1830s Great Britain. E.W. Bullinger, though an excellent Bible scholar, was tricked into the Pre-trib Rapture which became popular in his day in the late 1880s, and he also believed on Darby's brand of Dispensationalism, which turned into Hyper-Dispensationalism.


From Theopedia:

Hyper-dispensationalism (or sometimes ultra-dispensationalism), as opposed to traditional (or classic) Dispensationalism, views the start of the Christian church as beginning with the ministry of the Apostle Paul after the early part of the book of Acts. Although variations exist in specifics, all hyper-dispensationalists view the four Gospels and many of New Testament Epistles as applying to the pre-Pauline Jewish-Christian church or to the future Davidic Kingdom; not directly applicable to the predominantly Gentile Church of today.

 

[Guojing]

Philippians 1:27
Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

If you are not answering the question, what is the use of posting random scriptures?

 

[jgr]

If you are not answering the question, what is the use of posting random scriptures?

If the Scripture is not answering your question, read it again until it is.

 

[Guojing]

If the Scripture is not answering your question, read it again until it is.

Thanks, you do that also for Acts 15 then.

 

[jgr]

Thanks, you do that also for Acts 15 then.

I did. Then I found the answer in Philippians 1:27.

You can too.

 

[Guojing]

I did. Then I found the answer in Philippians 1:27.

You can too.

That's right, those at Act 15 could have also gotten into a time machine, gone to the future when that verse was written, and realized they didn't have to even bother debating at all.

 

[jgr]

That's right, those at Act 15 could have also gotten into a time machine, gone to the future when that verse was written, and realized they didn't have to even bother debating at all.

The Holy Spirit knew that the account of the debate would be beneficial, otherwise He wouldn't have inspired Luke to write of it.

 

[Guojing]

The Holy Spirit knew that the account of the debate would be beneficial, otherwise He wouldn't have inspired Luke to write of it.

So you actually believe it is possible to have a debate on which gospel is the correct one, when both sides were preaching the exact same gospel?

 

[jgr]

So you actually believe it is possible to have a debate on which gospel is the correct one, when both sides were preaching the exact same gospel?

Do you think that the Holy Spirit was wrong?

Quote the Scripture which you think supports your opinions.

 

[Guojing]

Do you think that the Holy Spirit was wrong?

Quote the Scripture which you think supports your opinions.

You are the one who brought up the HS, not me.

I go by what Acts 15 literally states.

 

[jgr]

You are the one who brought up the HS, not me.

I go by what Acts 15 literally states.

Who inspired Acts 15?

What do you think Acts 15 literally states?

I go by what Philippians 1:27 literally states. It literally states "the gospel", singular, the one and only gospel.

Since it was written after the events of Acts 15, it's a "later word".

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

I agree, there's only one Gospel.

But that's not what the Hyper-Dispensationalists are teaching.

They instead wrongly teach two gospels, one for the Jews, and another one for the Gentiles.

Their doing that came about because of the Pre-trib Rapture theory in 1830s Great Britain. E.W. Bullinger, though an excellent Bible scholar, was tricked into the Pre-trib Rapture which became popular in his day in the late 1880s, and he also believed on Darby's brand of Dispensationalism, which turned into Hyper-Dispensationalism.


From Theopedia:

Hyper-dispensationalism (or sometimes ultra-dispensationalism), as opposed to traditional (or classic) Dispensationalism, views the start of the Christian church as beginning with the ministry of the Apostle Paul after the early part of the book of Acts. Although variations exist in specifics, all hyper-dispensationalists view the four Gospels and many of New Testament Epistles as applying to the pre-Pauline Jewish-Christian church or to the future Davidic Kingdom; not directly applicable to the predominantly Gentile Church of today.

I'm talking about the gospel not this tangent which is off topic.