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I’m sorry, hide the truth?
Why do you say that?
Right there - billions of sincere believers are judged...
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Do you think God’s will for us is to do the opposite of what He says?Because that is the conclusion of the arguments put by SB...
According to the scriptures the purpose of God's law is not about justification from sin. God's Word defines sin as the transgression of Gods' law and not believing and following what Gods' Word says (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23). So God's law gives us a knowledge of what sin is when we break it or are in disobedience to it. The penalty of sin is death (Romans 6:23). Justification is through Christs death on the cross paying the penalty for our sins through His death paying the price for our sins (disobedience to Gods' law and not believing and following Gods' Word). The gift of grace that we receive through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9) is God's own son who is the sacrifice for the sins (breaking Gods' law and not believing God's Word) of the world.If Sabbath observance in accordance to the law isn't about justification, why should we worry about it?
There is no grace to those who continue in known unrepentant sin and unbelief. According to the scriptures, God's grace is for obedience to the faith *Romans 1:5 which is why it is written in Titus 2:11-12 For the grace of God that brings salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world. God has given us His grace of forgiveness of sins through faith so that we can be obedient to the faith not disobedient to the faith. So what is the "risk" to us if we are disobedient to the faith?Either way salvation is by grace through faith, so there is no risk in failure to observe as we are justified whether we observe or whether we do not observe. So what is the supposed risk you keep speaking of?
I posted in the post you were unresponsive to that according to the scriptures, James says the law is the mirror (James 1:23-24) that shows us our standing with God and Paul calls the law holy, just and good because it gives us the knowledge of what sin is when we break it (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; Romans 7:12). No one is talking about being saved by the law or being justified by the works of the law. So what is your argument? You did not make one and neither were your accusations truthful. Jesus says " They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go you and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." (Matthew 9:12-13). Do you know what these scriptures mean? You do not have to answer the question if you do not want to. It is up to you.If Sabbath observance in accordance to the law isn't about justification, why should we worry about it? Either way salvation is by grace through faith, so there is no risk in failure to observe as we are justified whether we observe or whether we do not observe. So what is the supposed risk you keep speaking of?
The post you were unresponsive to in this section says that according to the scriptures, Gods' 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-12). I asked you in your view if someone is continuing to practice known unrepentant sin are they in a saved state with God or an unsaved state with God according to the scriptures (see Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 and compare with Hebrews 10:26-31; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:4-9 and John 3:36)? You do not have to answer the question if you do not want to. It is up to you. Perhaps you can pray about it and consider the scriptures shared with you here. Something else to consider here however is what is the risk to us if we are in an unsaved state with God by continuing in known unrepentant sin defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments or not believing and following what Gods' Word say (James 2:10-11; Romans 14:23)?And I have given you the answer to your question, as well as identifying the misleading claim underlying it. Is someone who does not work but trusts God to justify the wicked in a saved or unsaved state? What is the risk, then? You keep asking the same misleading question that has been addressed multiple times over, but you have not addressed a single one of my questions.
Not really but allow me to explain why from the scripture if it might be helpful to the discussion. According to the scriptures, those who have been born again through faith to walk in God's Spirit (John 3:3-7; Romans 8:1-4; Galatians 5:16; John 3:31) do not practice sin (1 John 3:6-9) defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments or not believing and following what Gods' Word says (James 2:10-11; Romans 14:23) because they have entered by faith into God's new covenant promise and been given a new heart to love (see Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27). Therefore according to the scriptures if we love God we will keep Gods commandments not be disobedient to them, as Jesus points out in Matthew 22:36-40; Matthew 5:17-20; Paul in Romans 13:8-10; Romans 3:31. James also agreeing with Jesus and Paul in James 2:8-12 as well as John in 1 John 5:2-4. This is why Jesus says "If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15; John 15:10). According to the scriptures, the purpose of God's 10 commandments is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and to lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith (Galatians 3:22-25). So if Gods' 10 commandments give us the knowledge of what sin is when we break them, but we choose instead not to seek God's forgiveness but decide to continue in known unrepentant sin once God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word are we in a saved state with God or an unsaved state with God? (see Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 and Hebrews 10:26-31). Something to pray about I guess. Even Jesus says in His own words; " They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." (Matthew 9:12-13). Do you know what these scriptures mean? The purpose of Gods' law therefore is to lead us to Christ that we might seek Gods' forgiveness for our sins (breaking Gods' law) through faith. Therefore there is no forgiveness of sins if one does not know what sin is which is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments and not believing and following what God's Word says (see James 2:10-11; Romans 14:23; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6-9). You may also want to consider how can anyone be led to Christ if they do not know God's law which shows us we are all sinners and in need of Gods forgiveness of sins and leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25.And you, knowing the Scriptures (as you claim to) are therefore without excuse for teaching men to sin by presenting observation of the Sabbath as required for the believer in Christ. For whoever seeks to be righteous by the Law shall be made condemned by that same Law.
In this way you present the observation of the Sabbath not as freedom, but as condemnation and death. And so you preach against faith, you preach against grace, and you even preach against good works; for you present faithless works as pleasing to God.
When you observe the Sabbath you blaspheme it by denying He who fulfilled it in your observance. You believe your work is good and pleasing, but it is full of death and sin. This is nothing but the filthy rags that the Prophet Isaiah spoke of so long ago. You bring a sow into the Holy of Holies and dare to call it a lamb.
-CryptoLutheran
Only scripture has been shared ??
The problem is that your word (or anyones word) does not become God's Word just because scripture is quoted.
Satan quoted scripture during the temptation and it was not God's Word.
The bible is potentially dangerous - without His grace it cant be understood.
While you are self convinced and faithful to the sense of what you deliver - it may not be God speaking but a clever collection of ideas and arguments.
So let us offer our thoughts with a humble hand rather than pushing our barrow and risk bringing folks into condemnation.
Boiling the thesis down to it's natural conclusion folks who don't keep the Saturday Sabbath are deliberately rebelling against the Law of God. Millions of faithful believers are subsequently judged as unrighteous and in wilful rebellion.
Do you really think that God intended to hide His truth from those who have no connection with one sect of Christianity?
Is it possible that a theology can be driven by a denominational spirit with the intent to divide the body of Christ?
According to the scriptures (God's Word) the rebellious are all those who choose not to believe and follow what Gods' Word says (1 John 2:3-4)Right there - billions of sincere believers are judged... They read their bibles and came to different conclusions, and you state they are rebellious...
Exactly - can you explain why billions of sincere Christians don't see the 'truth' you feel compelled to share with us all ???
Your response here...LoveGodsWord said: ↑To be honest, I am surprised that so many people believe for whatever reason Gods' 10 commandments are abolished? I mean for me if we read the bible it is a belief that is not in scripture and is a belief that is a contradiction the whole bible and the teachings of Jesus and all the Apostles in the new testament. Jesus and none of the Apostles taught this teaching. If God's law could be abolished there would be no reason for Jesus to have to come into our world and die for our sins. There would be no reason for the world to be destroyed by a flood or Sodom and Gomorrah by fire or for Jesus to destroy the wicked defined in the scriptures as those who continue in sin, breaking God's commandments and unbelief. It is because Gods' law is not abolished that Jesus had to come as God's sacrifice for the sins of the world because the wages of a single sin is death according to the scriptures.
God bless sis.
Absolutely! I believe that the key to understanding this is only found in the scriptures as one is led by Gods' Spirit. Thanks for sharing your thoughts here sis.What also amazes me is the argument some make that keeping God’s law is a curse, but sinning you are in the Spirit. It’s amazing how God’s commandments that is holy, righteous and perfect and reflect the nature of our Savior has been so perversely twisted that people don’t take a step back to think about what they are saying. Truly heartbreaking.
True and God’s Spirit will never lead you away from God’s Word. That we can put our faith in!Your response here...
Absolutely! I believe that the key to understanding this is only found in the scriptures as one is led by Gods' Spirit. Thanks for sharing your thoughts here sis.
God bless
I think this is the key right here sis. Genuine faith is believing and following what God's Word says which is the fruit of faith as God leads us with His Spirit. God's promise to all those who believe and follow His Word is that he promises to be our guide and teacher in the new covenant (see John 16:13; John 7:17; John 14:26; Hebrews 8:11; 1 John 2:27). All we need to do is to pray and ask Jesus and turn away from the teachings and traditions of man that lead us to break the commandments of God that Jesus warns us about in Matthew 15:3-9 and seek Jesus for ourselves through his Word (see John 8:31-36).True and God’s Spirit will never lead you away from God’s Word. That’s we can put our faith in.
God bless!
What does the moral law consist of to you?
Lets take adultery. Does it only cover the actual act of adultery, or does it cover looking at a woman with lust in your eye?
Every sda member I have chatted to stresses Christ's commands are the same as the Ten
In regard to your thread, I would say there is great risk in telling people they cannot remain justified before God if they break the law,
Boiling the thesis down to it's natural conclusion folks who don't keep the Saturday Sabbath are deliberately rebelling against the Law of God.
Because that is the conclusion of the arguments put by SB...
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