There is NO rapture!!!

[LovedofHim]

To the OP:

For a person to believe there's no rapture OF ANY KIND occuring at the end is disingenuous because the two witnesses are obviously resurrected and raptured.


7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

If the OP understands that the two witnesses will be bodily resurrected and caught up to heaven, then how is it that the OP cannot believe that the same will happen to the church, as scripture states?


1 Thess 4: 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[zeke37]

and it happens at the time of the dead...when the dead are resurrected....
according to all the trumps in Mat24, 1Thes4, 1Cor15, Rev7

 

[LovedofHim]

and it happens at the time of the dead...when the dead are resurrected....
according to all the trumps in Mat24, 1Thes4, 1Cor15, Rev7

There are four resurrections yet to occur:

1. The church (1 Thess 4 & 5) prior to the time of wrath on Day of the Lord
2. The two witnesses (Rev 11) during the time of wrath on the Day of the Lord.
3. The martyrs who died and refused to worship the beast/take the mark during the time of wrath on the Day of the Lord, after Christ has come on the clouds and destroyed at armageddon and bound the devil, at the beginning of the millennial reign on earth. (rev 20)
4. Everyone else who has died at the end of the millennium. (rev 20)

 

[Hockey_Fan]

Four resurrections? Oh, wow. Maybe the better question might be who DOESN'T get resurrected?

 

[zeke37]

there are 2

your #'s 1 and 2 are at the same time

your #3 does not exist

 

[son_flower]

1 Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds

you can't be resurrected if your alive....

I already am resurrected in Spirit i am just waiting for Jesus to come in His kingdom so my body will change.
those that have no body at all and are asleep will of course arise out of their sleep and get theirs first.

"tHE resurrection" is the eternal life we live in the presence of Christ

in Rev 20 its called the FIRST resurrection

 

[LovedofHim]

there are 2

your #'s 1 and 2 are at the same time

your #3 does not exist

The church is seen in heaven in Revelation 7 prior to the 7th seal which is when the "great day of His wrath" begins according to Revelation 6, 6th seal.

The two witnesses are resurrected and raptured at the 6th trumpet of the 7th seal.

Those who refused to take the mark and worship the beast during the 5th-7th trumpets of the 7th seal are resurrected AFTER the 7th seal is over - Rev 20 (first resurrection).

Everyone else is resurrected and judged after the millennium. - Rev 20, GWT judgment.

 

[LovedofHim]

I already am resurrected in Spirit i am just waiting for Jesus to come in His kingdom so my body will change.
those that have no body at all and are asleep will of course arise out of their sleep and get theirs first.

And then what happens:

16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Do you know WHY that happens? Do you know WHY the church is caught up to meet the Lord in the air?

 

[B1inHim]

Do you know WHY that happens? Do you know WHY the church is caught up to meet the Lord in the air?

Why?

 

[LovedofHim]

Why?

Because the time of wrath on the Day of the Lord is beginning, the devil is cast down and the church is caught up because those who are in covenant with God, the church, are the first to be judged and are not appointed to suffer wrath but receive salvation by the coming of Jesus.

The millennium is judgment day. The devil is cast down to the earth. Every man who has ever lived will be judged. If you are in the new covenant, you are first. Then the people of the earth who remain will be forced to choose whom they will serve for eternity. Then martyrs of the beast are judged. Then everyone else is judged.

Psalm 50


1The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.
2Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined.
3Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.
4He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people.
5Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. 6And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.


1Pe 4:17For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

 

[B1inHim]

I have looked and cannot find this anywhere...

Just exactly what bible did these words come out of?

"MORE martyrs must occur before they are avenged"
Rev.6

 

[chalkstc]

I have looked and cannot find this anywhere...

Just exactly what bible did these words come out of?

"MORE martyrs must occur before they are avenged"
Rev.6

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And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:​

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And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?​

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And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.​

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KJV

Must be some "loose" paraphrase Bible.

Frankie

 

[LovedofHim]

I have looked and cannot find this anywhere...

Just exactly what bible did these words come out of?

"MORE martyrs must occur before they are avenged"
Rev.6

Rev 6:9-11​

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And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

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And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

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And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.​

KJV​

Must be some "loose" paraphrase Bible.​

Frankie

Rev 6:9When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.

Rev 6:10They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?"
Rev 6:11Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed. ​

The only people dying as martyrs after the 5th seal, when the white robes (glorified bodies) are given, are those who die refusing to take the mark during the 7th seal, then God will judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge all the martyrs.​

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[B1inHim]

No, this is a direct quote from one of your posts...
I am asking you Jen, what bible did you get it from?
"MORE martyrs must occur before they are avenged"
Rev.6

 

[Walter Kovacs]

So Left Behind is a lie??

 

[B1inHim]

It is all about semantics.

The 5 virgins that are left behind do not go to the Wedding Supper.

The ones in the flood that are left behind die.

The ones in the boat, who are left behind from dying, survive.

One person says this and another says that...

I say, that if one is not ready for whatever happens, they will not go anywhere and miss out.

Stay, left behind, leave, get caught up, get seized, before the AC is revealed, after the AC is revealed, when the 6th seal is opened, later on after that, before the Great Tribulation (too late for that one)...

IF one is NOT READY, it does not matter when it happens, they will not be part of it no matter what, when or where it happens.

Love,
Brother Jerry

 

[son_flower]

So Left Behind is a lie??

Yes it is turned backwards.

Like in Eden.
Instead of Eve just saying:
God said NO we will die. She listened to the devils lie of 'It WONT make you die, you will be like God and doesn't it look so delicious".

Instead of the AC followers being left out of Gods plan to come and marry His faithful Church to Himself and sit on His throne with Him and live forever

the devil sais:
God will leave the sorry saints behind to fight the AC while the special Churchy folks gets a free ride to heaven for a huge carnal feast
and doesnt that sound divine.


Did you know Lahayes new book the Rapture was released on 6/6/06?

 

[Gnarwhal]

So Left Behind is a lie??

Haha totally.

Sadly Jenkins and LaHaye have done Christianity an extraordinary disservice.

 

[son_flower]

To the OP:

For a person to believe there's no rapture OF ANY KIND occuring at the end is disingenuous because the two witnesses are obviously resurrected and raptured.


7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

If the OP understands that the two witnesses will be bodily resurrected and caught up to heaven, then how is it that the OP cannot believe that the same will happen to the church, as scripture states?

The OP can obviously read the ACTUAL scripture:

Raptured to heaven:

And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ASCENDED UP TO HEAVEN. in a cloud. and their enemies beheld them.

Resurrected into the coming Kingdom:

1 Thess 4: 16For the Lord himself shall DESCEND FROM HEAVEN with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Behind called to come UP and ASCEND up TO HEAVEN is opposite
of DESCEND FROM HEAVEN and being alive and remaining.

Totally opposite.

 

[LovedofHim]

No, this is a direct quote from one of your posts...
I am asking you Jen, what bible did you get it from?
"MORE martyrs must occur before they are avenged"
Rev.6

Are you addressing me?

Revelation 6, the 5th seal, shows that the martyrs of the church are crying out to God for justice/to be avenged.

At a particular moment in time in the near future, white robes will be given.

When that giving of white robes occurs, the martyrs of the church are told: Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been.

Think about it. These are martyrs of the church asking God to be avenged. The answer was given to them with the giving of white robes and telling them to wait until more martyrs happen -before they are avenged/world is judged!


When it says, wait longer until more people die like you did, what does that mean to you? Doesn't that tell you MORE MARTYRS will take place before final judgment, which is what they were asking for? Or perhaps you don't think their question was answered...???