There is no hell.

[Der Alte]

It is the Elect that receive immortality as a conditional gift from God. The condemned do not obtain that gift.

With your opinion and $3.90 I can get a Venti latte most anywhere.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It is the Elect that receive immortality as a conditional gift from God. The condemned do not obtain that gift.

Jesus is even kind enough to shorten the days of the Wrath because of us

Matt 24:22 And if no was shortened those the days, not ever was saved all flesh.
Because of yet the elect-chosen/eklektouV <1588>, shall be being shortened those the days

 

[JudaicChristian]

With your opinion and $3.90 I can get a Venti latte most anywhere.

It is interesting to note that everything I say is my opinion, while everything you say is a matter of fact. If our spirits are already immortal, then why would God offer immortality as a gift?

And the Serpent said to Eve: "You surly will not die."

 

[Der Alte]

It is interesting to note that everything I say is my opinion, while everything you say is a matter of fact. If our spirits are already immortal, then why would God offer immortality as a gift?

And the Serpent said to Eve: "You surly will not die."

I provide evidence, you don't! Seems they already had immortality. God told them in the day that you eat of the fruit "you will surely, not surly, die." They ate of the fruit but did not cease to exist.

 

[JudaicChristian]

I provide evidence, you don't! Seems they already had immortality. God told them in the day that you eat of the fruit "you will surely, not surly, die." They ate of the fruit but did not cease to exist.

I see, my scripture does not count, but your commentary does.

 

[Der Alte]

I see, my scripture does not count, but your commentary does.

If you look around you will find much, much more that commentary. I think I posted 28 passages spoken by Jesus addressing the eternal, unending punishment of the unrighteous, compared to your one out-of-context vs. Did Adam and Eve "surely die", cease to exist, the day they ate of the fruit?

 

[JudaicChristian]

If you look around you will find much, much more that commentary. I think I posted 28 passages spoken by Jesus addressing the eternal, unending punishment of the unrighteous, compared to your one out-of-context vs. Did Adam and Eve "surely die", cease to exist, the day they ate of the fruit?

When their time came they died.

 

[Gary51]

The words grave and hell are very different words, they do not mean the same thing.

At one time they meant the same thing....

Hell is an old English word that meant to cover up. Farmers used to cover up potatoes in a hole in the ground, which they called hell.

Over time through misinterpretation the word has come to mean something else.

Only 50 years ago the word "Gay" meant to be happy and carefree. Today it means something entirely different due to misrepresentation.

 

[Der Alte]

If you look around you will find much, much more that commentary. I think I posted 28 passages spoken by Jesus addressing the eternal, unending punishment of the unrighteous, compared to your one out-of-context vs. Did Adam and Eve "surely die", cease to exist, the day they ate of the fruit?

When their time came they died.

You ignored most of my post. And the scripture you alluded to does not say "When their time came they died."

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.​

The arguments against me have been that death means the person ceases to exist. As you have noted Adam and Eve did NOT cease to exist in the day that they ate of the fruit.

 

[Der Alte]

At one time they meant the same thing....

Hell is an old English word that meant to cover up. Farmers used to cover up potatoes in a hole in the ground, which they called hell.

Over time through misinterpretation the word has come to mean something else.

Only 50 years ago the word "Gay" meant to be happy and carefree. Today it means something entirely different due to misrepresentation.

* Main Entry: hell
* Pronunciation: \&#712;hel\
* Function: noun
* Etymology: Middle English, from Old English; akin to Old English helan to conceal, Old High German helan, Latin celare, Greek kalyptein
* Date: before 12th century

1 a (1) : a nether world in which the dead continue to exist : hades (2) : the nether realm of the devil and the demons in which the damned suffer everlasting punishment —often used in curses <go to hell> or as a generalized term of abuse <the hell with it> b Christian Science : error 2b, sin
2 a : a place or state of misery, torment, or wickedness <war is hell — W. T. Sherman> b : a place or state of turmoil or destruction <all hell broke loose> c : a severe scolding; also : flak, grief <gave me hell for coming in late> d : unrestrained fun or sportiveness <the kids were full of hell> —often used in the phrase for the hell of it especially to suggest action on impulse or without a serious motive <decided to go for the hell of it> e : an extremely unpleasant and often inescapable situation <rush-hour hell>
3 archaic : a tailor's receptacle
4 —used as an interjection <hell, I don't know!> or as an intensive <hurts like hell><funny as hell> ; often used in the phrase hell of a<it was one hell of a good fight> or hell out of<scared the hell out of him> or with the or in<moved way the hell up north><what in hell is wrong, now?>
— from hell : being the worst or most dreadful of its kind
— hell on : very hard on or destructive to <the constant traveling is hell on your digestive system>
— hell or high water : difficulties of whatever kind or size <will stand by her convictions come hell or high water>
— hell to pay : dire consequences <if he's late there'll be hell to pay>
— what the hell —used interjectionally to express a lack of concern about consequences or risks <it might cost him half his estate…but what the hell — N. W. Aldrich b1935>​

 

[JudaicChristian]

You ignored most of my post. And the scripture you alluded to does not say "When their time came they died."

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.​

The arguments against me have been that death means the person ceases to exist. As you have noted Adam and Eve did NOT cease to exist in the day that they ate of the fruit.

I was not quoting scripture, just stating a fact.

 

[Der Alte]

You ignored most of my post. And the scripture you alluded to does not say "When their time came they died."

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.​

The arguments against me have been that death means the person ceases to exist. As you have noted Adam and Eve did NOT cease to exist in the day that they ate of the fruit.

I was not quoting scripture, just stating a fact.

Saying you were stating fact does not make it so. The fact is, the only facts which matter concerning scriptural truth is what scripture says. And God speaking in scripture told Adam and Eve that in they day they eat of the fruit "dying you will die."

 

[JudaicChristian]

Saying you were stating fact does not make it so. The fact is, the only facts which matter concerning scriptural truth is what scripture says. And God speaking in scripture told Adam and Eve that in they day they eat of the fruit "dying you will die."

The word "day" also means epoch of time.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Genesis 2:17
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."
Genesis 3:3
but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "
Genesis 3:4
"You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.
Deuteronomy 30:15
See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction.
Deuteronomy 32:39
"See now that I myself am He! There is no god besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand.
1 Samuel 2:6
"The LORD brings death and makes alive; he brings down to the grave and raises up.
Proverbs 2:18
For her house leads down to death and her paths to the dead spirits.
Proverbs 8:36
But whoever fails to find me harms himself; all who hate me love death."
Proverbs 11:19
The truly righteous man attains life, but he who pursues evil goes to his death.
Proverbs 16:25
There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.
Proverbs 23:14
Punish him with the rod and save his soul from death.
Psalm 56:13
For you have delivered me from death and my feet from stumbling, that I may walk before God in the light of life.
Psalm 118:18
The LORD has chastened me severely, but he has not given me over to death.
Hosea 13:14
"I will ransom them from the power of the grave ; I will redeem them from death. Where, O death, are your plagues? Where, O grave, is your destruction?
Ezekiel 33:11
Say to them, 'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, O house of Israel?'
Ezekiel 18:32
For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!
Ezekiel 18:23
Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?
Matthew 16:28
I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death, but they will see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
Mark 9:1
And he said to them, "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death, but they will see the kingdom of God come with power."
Luke 9:27
I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death, but they will see the kingdom of God."
John 5:24
"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.
Hebrews 5:7
During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.
Hebrews 6:1
Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death,…
James 5:20
remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
Revelation 1:18
I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades (Gehenna).
Revelation 6:8
I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades (Gehenna) was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
Revelation 20:13
The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades (grave) gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
Revelation 20:14
Then death and Hades (grave) were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Can Hades be thrown into Hell?

 

[HolyGuardianAngels]

There is no hell. The words in scripture were not correctly translated into English. The joining of the Pagan religion about hell is a Catholic invention.See Holman Bible Dictionary at: HELL - Holman Bible Dictionary on StudyLight.org





The number of times "Hell" appears the in text of English Bible Translations.

Bible Translations
Old Testament
New Testament
Total
"Authorized" King James Version
31
23
54
New King James Version
19
13
32
American Standard Version
0
13
13
New American Standard Bible
0
13
13
Revised Standard Version
0
12
12
New Revised Standard Version
0
12
12
Revised English Bible
0
13
13
New Living Translation
0
13
13
Amplified
0
13
13
New International Version (best-selling English Bible)
0
14
14
Darby
0
12
12
New Century Version
0
12
12
Wesley's New Testament (1755)

0
0
Scarlett's N.T. (1798)

0
0
The New Testament in Greek and English (Kneeland, 1823)

0
0
Young's Literal Translation (1891)
0
0
0
Twentieth Century New Testament (1900)

0
0
Rotherham's Emphasized Bible (reprinted, 1902)
0
0
0
Fenton's Holy Bible in Modern English (1903)
0
0
0
Weymouth's New Testament in Modern Speech (1903)

0
0
Jewish Publication Society Bible Old Testament (1917)
0

0
Panin's Numeric English New Testament (1914)

0
0
The People's New Covenant (Overbury, 1925)

0
0
Hanson's New Covenant (1884)

0
0
Western N.T. (1926)

0
0
NT of our Lord and Savior Anointed (Tomanek, 1958)

0
0
Concordant Literal NT (1983)

0
0
The N.T., A Translation (Clementson, 1938)

0
0
Emphatic Diaglott, Greek/English Interlinear (Wilson, 1942)

0
0
New American Bible (1970)
0
0
0
Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible (1976)
0
0
0
Tanakh, The Holy Scriptures, Old Testament (1985)
0

0
The New Testament, A New Translation (Greber, 1980)

0
0
Christian Bible (1991)
0
0
0
World English Bible (in progress)
0
0
0
Original Bible Project (Dr. James Tabor, still in translation)

0
0
0
Zondervan Parallel N.T. in Greek and English (1975)

0
0
Int. NASB-NIV Parallel N.T. in Greek and English (1993)

0
0


It was the bias of the translators that have established it in scripture.

The Hebrew word “Sheol” Should have been translated as “grave”.
The Angle Saxon word “hel” meaning to bury. It is more than a mistranslation it a premeditated deliberate assault on scripture to introduce the Teutonic pagan word.

Tar-ta-rus (tart rs) [[ Gr Tartaros ]] Gr. Myth. 1 an infernal abyss below Hades, where Zeus hurls the rebel Titans, later a place of punishment for the demons and devils not people. (mentioned only once in the Bible)

Ha-des (hadez) [[Gr Haides ]] 1 Gr. Myth. a) the home of the dead, beneath the earth b) the god of the underworld 2 Bible the state or resting place of the dead: name used in some modern translations of the New Testament

She-ol (eol) [[Heb shaal , to dig]] a place in the depths of the earth conceived of as the dwelling of the dead Note: translated in KJV about half of scriptures as hell, the other half as grave


Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell (Gehenna) fire.


Gehenna is the garbage dump outside the city of Jerusalem.

It is true that our bodies return to the dust, and our spirits go to live with the Father. But what about the condemed? Do they also (go or return) to live with our Father. Or are they cut off from the living? It is true that God will bring the condemed back to life, as a part of their punishment. The word "fire" and other words like it, are often used parabolically to mean judgement. We do not worship a God who is without mercy or who tortures people for all eternity.


John 5.

28. "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29. and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.

And that is why Jesus said that both body and spirit could be destroyed in gehenna.


The concept of Hell is part of the Pagan religion. In the K.J.V. of the Old Testament the Hebrew word sheol means "grave." Also other words are not translated, but the interpretation "Hell" is given. Thats why in the N.I.V. you dont see the word Hell in the Old testament. The reason you see the word Hell in the new testament, is because it was introduced into scripture by the Catholic Church. However, there is death of the body and spirit. Our bodies are mortal, and our spirits are mortal. And if God never called us back into being, we would never live again.
The INTERPRETATION "hades or gehenna" is in the K.J.V. You will not find the word "hades" in the N.I.V. Old Testament, however you will find the word "hades" in the N.I.V. New Testament as an INTERPRETATION for "grave."

There is a Hell.
Satan has to survive somewhere.

Christ Jesus saves us from it!

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]Can Hades be thrown into Hell?[/SIZE]

Can the demon of hades be thrown into the LOF? I think that this is now the 3d time I have responded to this question.

Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.​

The angel of death and the demon of hell/hades are cast into the LOF, and their power to kill ended. The angel of death is first mentioned in Exodus the night before the Israelites escaped from Egypt, and again in Ezekiel 9

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]The word "day" also means epoch of time.[/SIZE]

No evidence! But I'm sure that it what it meant to Adam and Eve. Not!

 

[JudaicChristian]

No evidence! But I'm sure that it what it meant to Adam and Eve. Not!

Can the demon of hades be thrown into the LOF? I think that this is now the 3d time I have responded to this question.

Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.​

The angel of death and the demon of hell/hades are cast into the LOF, and their power to kill ended. The angel of death is first mentioned in Exodus the night before the Israelites escaped from Egypt, and again in Ezekiel 9

I think I give you more credit then I should. Is the Lake of fire hell, or not?

 

[Der Alte]

I think I give you more credit then I should. Is the Lake of fire hell, or not?

Oh is his little feelings hurt cuz I wouldn't fall into his (not so) carefully laid trap? They are never spoken of as synonymous in the N.T.