There is no hell.

[JudaicChristian]

I'm sorry sir, but we do not teach that. I suggest you check your facts and not spread defamatory remarks about other Christian groups.

So now your saying that the Catholics do not teach that there is a Hell, or that salvation is found in them, or people do not suffer torture in Hell. Would you please make up your mind. Do the condemned spirits of people die, or do they suffer torment in Hell?

 

[Der Alte]

[ . . . ]Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell (Gehenna) fire.

Gehenna is the garbage dump outside the city of Jerusalem.

It is true that our bodies return to the dust, and our spirits go to live with the Father. But what about the condemed? Do they also (go or return) to live with our Father. Or are they cut off from the living? It is true that God will bring the condemed back to life, as a part of their punishment. The word "fire" and other words like it, are often used parabolically to mean judgement. We do not worship a God who is without mercy or who tortures people for all eternity.[ . . . ]

Jewish Encyclopedia, GEHENNA
by : Kaufmann Kohler Ludwig Blau

The place where children were sacrificed to the god Moloch was originally in the "valley of the son of Hinnom," to the south of Jerusalem (Josh. xv. 8, passim; II Kings xxiii. 10; Jer. ii. 23; vii. 31-32; xix. 6, 13-14). For this reason the valley was deemed to be accursed, and "Gehenna" therefore soon became a figurative equivalent for "hell." Hell, like paradise, was created by God (Sotah 22a); [Note, this is according to the ancient Jews, long before the Christian era, NOT the bias of Christian translators.] according to Gen. R. ix. 9, the words "very good" in Gen. i. 31 refer to hell; hence the latter must have been created on the sixth day.

The "fiery furnace" that Abraham saw (Gen. xv. 17, Hebr.) was Gehenna (Mek. xx. 18b, 71b; comp. Enoch, xcviii. 3, ciii. 8; Matt. xiii. 42, 50; 'Er. 19a, where the "fiery furnace" is also identified with the gate of Gehenna). Opinions also vary as to the situation, extent, and nature of hell. The statement that Gehenna is situated in the valley of Hinnom near Jerusalem, in the "accursed valley" (Enoch, xxvii. 1 et seq.), means simply that it has a gate there. It was in Zion, and had a gate in Jerusalem (Isa. xxxi. 9). It had three gates, one in the wilderness, one in the sea, and one in Jerusalem ('Er. 19a). The gate lies between two palm-trees in the valley of Hinnom, from which smoke is continually rising (ib.).

Because of the extent of Gehenna the sun, on setting in the evening, passes by it, and receives from it its own fire (evening glow; B. B. 84a). A fiery stream ("dinur") falls upon the head of the sinner in Gehenna (hag. 13b).

There is a smell of sulfur in Gehenna (Enoch, lxvii. 6). This agrees with the Greek idea of hell (Lucian, Αληθεις Ιστοριαι, i. 29, in Dietrich, "Abraxas," p. 36). The sulfurous smell of the Tiberian medicinal springs was ascribed to their connection with Gehenna. In Isa. lxvi. 16, 24 it is said that God judges by means of fire.

Gehenna is dark in spite of the immense masses of fire; it is like night (Yeb. 109b; comp. Job x. 22). The same idea also occurs in Enoch, x. 4, lxxxii. 2; Matt. viii. 12, xxii. 13, xxv. 30 (comp. Schwally, l.c. p. 176).

It is assumed that there is an angel-prince in charge of Gehenna. He says to God: "Put everything into my sea; nourish me with the seed of Seth; I am hungry." But God refuses his request, telling him to take the heathen peoples (Shab. 104). God says to the angel-prince: "I punish the slanderers from above, and I also punish them from below with glowing coals" ('Ar. 15b).

Judgment.

It is assumed in general that sinners go to hell immediately after their death. The famous teacher Johanan b. Zakkai wept before his death because he did not know whether he would go to paradise or to hell (Ber. 28b). The pious go to paradise, and sinners to hell (B.M. 83b). To every individual is apportioned two shares, one in hell and one in paradise. At death, however, the righteous man's portion in hell is exchanged, so that he has two in heaven, while the reverse is true in the case of sinners (hag. 15a). Hence it would have been better for the latter not to have lived at all (Yeb. 63b).

They are cast into Gehenna to a depth commensurate with their sinfulness. They say: "Lord of the world, Thou hast done well; Paradise for the pious, Gehenna for the wicked" ('Er. 19a). There are three categories of men; the wholly pious and the arch-sinners are not purified, but only those between these two classes (Ab. R. N. 41). A similar view is expressed in the Babylonian Talmud, which adds that those who have sinned themselves but have not led others into sin remain for twelve months in Gehenna; "after twelve months their bodies are destroyed, their souls are burned, and the wind strews the ashes under the feet of the pious. But as regards the heretics, etc., and Jeroboam, Nebat's son, hell shall pass away, but they shall not pass away" (R. H. 17a; comp. Shab. 33b). All that descend into Gehenna shall come up again, with the exception of three classes of men: those who have committed adultery, or shamed their neighbors, or vilified them (B. M. 58b).

As mentioned above, heretics and the Roman oppressors go to Gehenna, and the same fate awaits the Persians, the oppressors of the Babylonian Jews (Ber. 8b). When Nebuchadnezzar descended into hell, all its inhabitants were afraid that he was coming to rule over them (Shab. 149a; comp. Isa. xiv. 9-10). The Book of Enoch also says that it is chiefly the heathen who are to be cast into the fiery pool on the Day of Judgment (x. 6, xci. 9, et al.). " The Lord, the Almighty, will punish them on the Day of Judgment by putting fire and worms into their flesh, so that they cry out with pain unto all eternity" (Judith xvi. 17). (see image) Valley of Ge-Hinnom.(From a photograph by Bonfils.) The sinners in Gehenna will be filled with pain when God puts back the souls into the dead bodies on the Day of Judgment, according to Isa. xxxiii. 11 (Sanh. 108b). Enoch also holds (xlviii. 9) that the sinners will disappear like chaff before the faces of the elect. There will be no Gehenna in the future world, however, for God will take the sun out of its case, and it will heal the pious with its rays and will punish the sinners (Ned. 8b).

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[JudaicChristian]

Jewish Encyclopedia, GEHENNA
by : Kaufmann Kohler Ludwig Blau

The place where children were sacrificed to the god Moloch was originally in the "valley of the son of Hinnom," to the south of Jerusalem (Josh. xv. 8, passim; II Kings xxiii. 10; Jer. ii. 23; vii. 31-32; xix. 6, 13-14). For this reason the valley was deemed to be accursed, and "Gehenna" therefore soon became a figurative equivalent for "hell." Hell, like paradise, was created by God (Sotah 22a); [Note, this is according to the ancient Jews, long before the Christian era, NOT the bias of Christian translators.] according to Gen. R. ix. 9, the words "very good" in Gen. i. 31 refer to hell; hence the latter must have been created on the sixth day.

The "fiery furnace" that Abraham saw (Gen. xv. 17, Hebr.) was Gehenna (Mek. xx. 18b, 71b; comp. Enoch, xcviii. 3, ciii. 8; Matt. xiii. 42, 50; 'Er. 19a, where the "fiery furnace" is also identified with the gate of Gehenna). Opinions also vary as to the situation, extent, and nature of hell. The statement that Gehenna is situated in the valley of Hinnom near Jerusalem, in the "accursed valley" (Enoch, xxvii. 1 et seq.), means simply that it has a gate there. It was in Zion, and had a gate in Jerusalem (Isa. xxxi. 9). It had three gates, one in the wilderness, one in the sea, and one in Jerusalem ('Er. 19a). The gate lies between two palm-trees in the valley of Hinnom, from which smoke is continually rising (ib.).

Because of the extent of Gehenna the sun, on setting in the evening, passes by it, and receives from it its own fire (evening glow; B. B. 84a). A fiery stream ("dinur") falls upon the head of the sinner in Gehenna (hag. 13b).

There is a smell of sulfur in Gehenna (Enoch, lxvii. 6). This agrees with the Greek idea of hell (Lucian, Αληθεις Ιστοριαι, i. 29, in Dietrich, "Abraxas," p. 36). The sulfurous smell of the Tiberian medicinal springs was ascribed to their connection with Gehenna. In Isa. lxvi. 16, 24 it is said that God judges by means of fire.

Gehenna is dark in spite of the immense masses of fire; it is like night (Yeb. 109b; comp. Job x. 22). The same idea also occurs in Enoch, x. 4, lxxxii. 2; Matt. viii. 12, xxii. 13, xxv. 30 (comp. Schwally, l.c. p. 176).

It is assumed that there is an angel-prince in charge of Gehenna. He says to God: "Put everything into my sea; nourish me with the seed of Seth; I am hungry." But God refuses his request, telling him to take the heathen peoples (Shab. 104). God says to the angel-prince: "I punish the slanderers from above, and I also punish them from below with glowing coals" ('Ar. 15b).

Judgment.

It is assumed in general that sinners go to hell immediately after their death. The famous teacher Johanan b. Zakkai wept before his death because he did not know whether he would go to paradise or to hell (Ber. 28b). The pious go to paradise, and sinners to hell (B.M. 83b). To every individual is apportioned two shares, one in hell and one in paradise. At death, however, the righteous man's portion in hell is exchanged, so that he has two in heaven, while the reverse is true in the case of sinners (hag. 15a). Hence it would have been better for the latter not to have lived at all (Yeb. 63b).

They are cast into Gehenna to a depth commensurate with their sinfulness. They say: "Lord of the world, Thou hast done well; Paradise for the pious, Gehenna for the wicked" ('Er. 19a). There are three categories of men; the wholly pious and the arch-sinners are not purified, but only those between these two classes (Ab. R. N. 41). A similar view is expressed in the Babylonian Talmud, which adds that those who have sinned themselves but have not led others into sin remain for twelve months in Gehenna; "after twelve months their bodies are destroyed, their souls are burned, and the wind strews the ashes under the feet of the pious. But as regards the heretics, etc., and Jeroboam, Nebat's son, hell shall pass away, but they shall not pass away" (R. H. 17a; comp. Shab. 33b). All that descend into Gehenna shall come up again, with the exception of three classes of men: those who have committed adultery, or shamed their neighbors, or vilified them (B. M. 58b).

As mentioned above, heretics and the Roman oppressors go to Gehenna, and the same fate awaits the Persians, the oppressors of the Babylonian Jews (Ber. 8b). When Nebuchadnezzar descended into hell, all its inhabitants were afraid that he was coming to rule over them (Shab. 149a; comp. Isa. xiv. 9-10). The Book of Enoch also says that it is chiefly the heathen who are to be cast into the fiery pool on the Day of Judgment (x. 6, xci. 9, et al.). " The Lord, the Almighty, will punish them on the Day of Judgment by putting fire and worms into their flesh, so that they cry out with pain unto all eternity" (Judith xvi. 17). (see image) Valley of Ge-Hinnom.(From a photograph by Bonfils.) The sinners in Gehenna will be filled with pain when God puts back the souls into the dead bodies on the Day of Judgment, according to Isa. xxxiii. 11 (Sanh. 108b). Enoch also holds (xlviii. 9) that the sinners will disappear like chaff before the faces of the elect. There will be no Gehenna in the future world, however, for God will take the sun out of its case, and it will heal the pious with its rays and will punish the sinners (Ned. 8b).

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How can "Death" and "Hades" be thrown into hell? Is "the lake of fire" hell, or not?

The fact that the bible repeats itself saying "This is the second death, the lake of fire" indicates that the lake of fire is a symbol, an illustration, not a literal lake of fire. This "second death." However you want to define that. This second death is the death after one's has been judged; from which there is no resurrection, because you've already have been judged... a non-reversable death. Death from which one can never come back is complete distruction... which explains how hades (the gave) and death (an action) can be "hurled into the lake of fire"... because if "the lake of fire" is a symbol for an action such as irreparable distruction... it makes sense.

If the lake of fire were a physical place how would death (an action) and hades (the grave, or "hell" if you chose to translate it as such) be thrown into said place?

 

[katholikos]

I'm sorry sir, but we do not teach that. I suggest you check your facts and not spread defamatory remarks about other Christian groups.

So now your saying that the Catholics do not teach that there is a Hell, or that salvation is found in them, or people do not suffer torture in Hell.........<snip>

No, I am not saying that. Please read your own post and pay attention. You said, "What is this doctrine that Catholics teach: You will not surly die, but you will be tortured in Hell for all eternity, unless you repent and find salvation in the Catholic Church." We do not teach that people who don't join the Catholic Church will burn in Hell. In fact, we teach the exact oppposite, that even non-Christians have the possibility of salvation. Most people in GT know that

As I said, check your facts and do not spread defamatory remarks about other Christian groups.

 

[WarriorAngel]

So the whole Bible is all symbolism.

Why does Jesus come to die for us if we do not merit punishment??

Why does Jesus teach us not to sin, if we are not punished?

Why do the Apostles teach their rest of their lives not to sin, if there is nothing to punish us?

Why did the Apostles die - if it was just all symbolism?

Symbolism - such as what Hell is akin to - such as their understanding of gehenna may be symbols - but the end product is - there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, it will smell like burning sulfur. It will burn and it will be eternal.

Because if hell didn't exist - then Jesus took on a steep price for nothing.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Yahwah is not the God of hell.

He is God of everything.
He is the Creator.
He created an eternal punishment for the heathens.
Which includes seperation from Him.

It exists - or why would Jesus need to have come to die for our sins - if there was no punishment.
Taking on the stripes owed us/ Dying so we could live.

The 2nd death is the souls death - because God is LIFE and we have life in Him, but being seperated - we do not have Him - we have eternal seperation. Thus the opposite of eternal life [being with God] is eternal death [absense of God]

Revelation 20
14 And hell and death were cast into the pool of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire.

 

[SpiritDriven]

He is God of everything.
He is the Creator.
He created an eternal punishment for the heathens.
Which includes seperation from Him.

It exists - or why would Jesus need to have come to die for our sins - if there was no punishment.
Taking on the stripes owed us/ Dying so we could live.

The 2nd death is the souls death - because God is LIFE and we have life in Him, but being seperated - we do not have Him - we have eternal seperation. Thus the opposite of eternal life [being with God] is eternal death [absense of God]

Revelation 20
14 And hell and death were cast into the pool of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire.

You need to understand that God does not do the way things men do.

Destruction in the Lake of Fire is total and complete and very real, but it is also part of renewal.

Those thrown into the Lake of Fire the second Death, still suffer a further punishment, you see they have been put to death a second time, they miss out on the New Heaven New Earth era, when God tabernacles with Man.
However the New Heaven New Earth era, is just that, yet another era of Gods plan for man...an era has a begin point and a conclusion point.

The Consumation of Gods plan for Man occurs at the conclusion of the New Heaven New Earth era.

The Consumation is when God does away with the final enemy...death.

Do you now understand how God will make all things new....?


Peace

 

[Gary51]

Jewish Encyclopedia, GEHENNA
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by : Kaufmann Kohler Ludwig Blau

The place where children were sacrificed to the god Moloch was originally in the "valley of the son of Hinnom," to the south of Jerusalem (Josh. xv. 8, passim; II Kings xxiii. 10; Jer. ii. 23; vii. 31-32; xix. 6, 13-14). For this reason the valley was deemed to be accursed, and "Gehenna" therefore soon became a figurative equivalent for "hell." Hell, like paradise, was created by God (Sotah 22a); [Note, this is according to the ancient Jews, long before the Christian era, NOT the bias of Christian translators.] according to Gen. R. ix. 9, the words "very good" in Gen. i. 31 refer to hell; hence the latter must have been created on the sixth day.

The "fiery furnace" that Abraham saw (Gen. xv. 17, Hebr.) was Gehenna (Mek. xx. 18b, 71b; comp. Enoch, xcviii. 3, ciii. 8; Matt. xiii. 42, 50; 'Er. 19a, where the "fiery furnace" is also identified with the gate of Gehenna). Opinions also vary as to the situation, extent, and nature of hell. The statement that Gehenna is situated in the valley of Hinnom near Jerusalem, in the "accursed valley" (Enoch, xxvii. 1 et seq.), means simply that it has a gate there. It was in Zion, and had a gate in Jerusalem (Isa. xxxi. 9). It had three gates, one in the wilderness, one in the sea, and one in Jerusalem ('Er. 19a). The gate lies between two palm-trees in the valley of Hinnom, from which smoke is continually rising (ib.).

Because of the extent of Gehenna the sun, on setting in the evening, passes by it, and receives from it its own fire (evening glow; B. B. 84a). A fiery stream ("dinur") falls upon the head of the sinner in Gehenna (hag. 13b).

There is a smell of sulfur in Gehenna (Enoch, lxvii. 6). This agrees with the Greek idea of hell (Lucian, &#913;&#955;&#951;&#952;&#949;&#953;&#962; &#921;&#963;&#964;&#959;&#961;&#953;&#945;&#953;, i. 29, in Dietrich, "Abraxas," p. 36). The sulfurous smell of the Tiberian medicinal springs was ascribed to their connection with Gehenna. In Isa. lxvi. 16, 24 it is said that God judges by means of fire.

Gehenna is dark in spite of the immense masses of fire; it is like night (Yeb. 109b; comp. Job x. 22). The same idea also occurs in Enoch, x. 4, lxxxii. 2; Matt. viii. 12, xxii. 13, xxv. 30 (comp. Schwally, l.c. p. 176).

It is assumed that there is an angel-prince in charge of Gehenna. He says to God: "Put everything into my sea; nourish me with the seed of Seth; I am hungry." But God refuses his request, telling him to take the heathen peoples (Shab. 104). God says to the angel-prince: "I punish the slanderers from above, and I also punish them from below with glowing coals" ('Ar. 15b).

Judgment.

It is assumed in general that sinners go to hell immediately after their death. The famous teacher Johanan b. Zakkai wept before his death because he did not know whether he would go to paradise or to hell (Ber. 28b). The pious go to paradise, and sinners to hell (B.M. 83b). To every individual is apportioned two shares, one in hell and one in paradise. At death, however, the righteous man's portion in hell is exchanged, so that he has two in heaven, while the reverse is true in the case of sinners (hag. 15a). Hence it would have been better for the latter not to have lived at all (Yeb. 63b).

They are cast into Gehenna to a depth commensurate with their sinfulness. They say: "Lord of the world, Thou hast done well; Paradise for the pious, Gehenna for the wicked" ('Er. 19a). There are three categories of men; the wholly pious and the arch-sinners are not purified, but only those between these two classes (Ab. R. N. 41). A similar view is expressed in the Babylonian Talmud, which adds that those who have sinned themselves but have not led others into sin remain for twelve months in Gehenna; "after twelve months their bodies are destroyed, their souls are burned, and the wind strews the ashes under the feet of the pious. But as regards the heretics, etc., and Jeroboam, Nebat's son, hell shall pass away, but they shall not pass away" (R. H. 17a; comp. Shab. 33b). All that descend into Gehenna shall come up again, with the exception of three classes of men: those who have committed adultery, or shamed their neighbors, or vilified them (B. M. 58b).

As mentioned above, heretics and the Roman oppressors go to Gehenna, and the same fate awaits the Persians, the oppressors of the Babylonian Jews (Ber. 8b). When Nebuchadnezzar descended into hell, all its inhabitants were afraid that he was coming to rule over them (Shab. 149a; comp. Isa. xiv. 9-10). The Book of Enoch also says that it is chiefly the heathen who are to be cast into the fiery pool on the Day of Judgment (x. 6, xci. 9, et al.). " The Lord, the Almighty, will punish them on the Day of Judgment by putting fire and worms into their flesh, so that they cry out with pain unto all eternity" (Judith xvi. 17). (see image) Valley of Ge-Hinnom.(From a photograph by Bonfils.) The sinners in Gehenna will be filled with pain when God puts back the souls into the dead bodies on the Day of Judgment, according to Isa. xxxiii. 11 (Sanh. 108b). Enoch also holds (xlviii. 9) that the sinners will disappear like chaff before the faces of the elect. There will be no Gehenna in the future world, however, for God will take the sun out of its case, and it will heal the pious with its rays and will punish the sinners (Ned. 8b).

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Nice opinion!

Don't agree though!

 

[cowboysfan1970]

Hippie riddles.

That's funny. If you want to put me down at least put some effort into it.

 

[JudaicChristian]

That's funny. If you want to put me down at least put some effort into it.

Sometimes if a person does not give out enough info, the other person cannot be sure what that person is saying.

 

[JudaicChristian]

No, I am not saying that. Please read your own post and pay attention. You said, "What is this doctrine that Catholics teach: You will not surly die, but you will be tortured in Hell for all eternity, unless you repent and find salvation in the Catholic Church." We do not teach that people who don't join the Catholic Church will burn in Hell. In fact, we teach the exact opposite, that even non-Christians have the possibility of salvation. Most people in GT know that

As I said, check your facts and do not spread defamatory remarks about other Christian groups.

Even if it is true that the Catholics have changed their position on salvation, that still does not answer the question about living beings being tortured in an eternal hell. Is there death of the spirit in the second death, or are people tortured for all eternity?

 

[JudaicChristian]

So the whole Bible is all symbolism.

Why does Jesus come to die for us if we do not merit punishment??

Why does Jesus teach us not to sin, if we are not punished?

Why do the Apostles teach their rest of their lives not to sin, if there is nothing to punish us?

Why did the Apostles die - if it was just all symbolism?

Symbolism - such as what Hell is akin to - such as their understanding of gehenna may be symbols - but the end product is - there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, it will smell like burning sulfur. It will burn and it will be eternal.

Because if hell didn't exist - then Jesus took on a steep price for nothing.

Just because there are parables in scripture does not mean that everything we read is a parable. That's where a spirit of discernment comes in handy. The bottom line is this: The concept of hell is part of the Pagan religion. The words grave and Hell are completely two different words. The word Hell does not belong in scripture, it was introduced into the scriptures. There is death of the spirit, and that is what people are redeemed from.

 

[katholikos]

......Is there death of the spirit in the second death, or are people tortured for all eternity?

You are asking the wrong question. The question is: Is your spirit immortal? Does your spirit live forever? The answer is: Yes, it is and it does.

Heaven and Hell are states of being, not physical "places". You are either in union with God or seperated from God when you are judged.

Since the human spirit is immortal (it never dies) that means that whatever state you find yourself in after judgement is the state you will be in for all eternity.

 

[SpiritDriven]

You are asking the wrong question. The question is: Is your spirit immortal? Does your spirit live forever? The answer is: Yes, it is and it does.

Heaven and Hell are states of being, not physical "places". You are either in union with God or seperated from God when you are judged.

Since the human spirit is immortal (it never dies) that means that whatever state you find yourself in after judgement is the state you will be in for all eternity.

Have a read of the entire of Ezekiel Chapter 16...

Your view point on Gods intentions towards all human kind will change forever....note in Ezekiel 16 how Israels behaviour towards her fellow man and the covenant God made with her, will become so disgracefull that Israel will make Sodom and her sister cities seem righteouse by comparison.

Note how God will restore Sodom and her sister citys to their former state, and give them to Jerusalem as daughters to shame all of Israel into silence over her own inquities.

Glory be to God!

 

[JudaicChristian]

You are asking the wrong question. The question is: Is your spirit immortal? Does your spirit live forever? The answer is: Yes, it is and it does.

Heaven and Hell are states of being, not physical "places". You are either in union with God or separated from God when you are judged.

Since the human spirit is immortal (it never dies) that means that whatever state you find yourself in after judgement is the state you will be in for all eternity.

And the Serpent said to Eve, "you will not surely die." Our bodies are mortal and our spirits are mortal. If God never called us back into being we would never live again. It is the conditional promise of immortality that we are offered.

 

[Bro_Sam]

There is no hell. The words in scripture were not correctly translated into English. The joining of the Pagan religion about hell is a Catholic invention.See Holman Bible Dictionary at: HELL - Holman Bible Dictionary on StudyLight.org





The number of times "Hell" appears the in text of English Bible Translations.

Bible Translations
Old Testament
New Testament
Total
"Authorized" King James Version
31
23
54
New King James Version
19
13
32
American Standard Version
0
13
13
New American Standard Bible
0
13
13
Revised Standard Version
0
12
12
New Revised Standard Version
0
12
12
Revised English Bible
0
13
13
New Living Translation
0
13
13
Amplified
0
13
13
New International Version (best-selling English Bible)
0
14
14
Darby
0
12
12
New Century Version
0
12
12
Wesley's New Testament (1755)

0
0
Scarlett's N.T. (1798)

0
0
The New Testament in Greek and English (Kneeland, 1823)

0
0
Young's Literal Translation (1891)
0
0
0
Twentieth Century New Testament (1900)

0
0
Rotherham's Emphasized Bible (reprinted, 1902)
0
0
0
Fenton's Holy Bible in Modern English (1903)
0
0
0
Weymouth's New Testament in Modern Speech (1903)

0
0
Jewish Publication Society Bible Old Testament (1917)
0

0
Panin's Numeric English New Testament (1914)

0
0
The People's New Covenant (Overbury, 1925)

0
0
Hanson's New Covenant (1884)

0
0
Western N.T. (1926)

0
0
NT of our Lord and Savior Anointed (Tomanek, 1958)

0
0
Concordant Literal NT (1983)

0
0
The N.T., A Translation (Clementson, 1938)

0
0
Emphatic Diaglott, Greek/English Interlinear (Wilson, 1942)

0
0
New American Bible (1970)
0
0
0
Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible (1976)
0
0
0
Tanakh, The Holy Scriptures, Old Testament (1985)
0

0
The New Testament, A New Translation (Greber, 1980)

0
0
Christian Bible (1991)
0
0
0
World English Bible (in progress)
0
0
0
Original Bible Project (Dr. James Tabor, still in translation)

0
0
0
Zondervan Parallel N.T. in Greek and English (1975)

0
0
Int. NASB-NIV Parallel N.T. in Greek and English (1993)

0
0


It was the bias of the translators that have established it in scripture.

The Hebrew word “Sheol” Should have been translated as “grave”.
The Angle Saxon word “hel” meaning to bury. It is more than a mistranslation it a premeditated deliberate assault on scripture to introduce the Teutonic pagan word.

Tar-ta-rus (tart rs) [[ Gr Tartaros ]] Gr. Myth. 1 an infernal abyss below Hades, where Zeus hurls the rebel Titans, later a place of punishment for the demons and devils not people. (mentioned only once in the Bible)

Ha-des (hadez) [[Gr Haides ]] 1 Gr. Myth. a) the home of the dead, beneath the earth b) the god of the underworld 2 Bible the state or resting place of the dead: name used in some modern translations of the New Testament

She-ol (eol) [[Heb shaal , to dig]] a place in the depths of the earth conceived of as the dwelling of the dead Note: translated in KJV about half of scriptures as hell, the other half as grave


Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell (Gehenna) fire.


Gehenna is the garbage dump outside the city of Jerusalem.

It is true that our bodies return to the dust, and our spirits go to live with the Father. But what about the condemed? Do they also (go or return) to live with our Father. Or are they cut off from the living? It is true that God will bring the condemed back to life, as a part of their punishment. The word "fire" and other words like it, are often used parabolically to mean judgement. We do not worship a God who is without mercy or who tortures people for all eternity.


John 5.

28. "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29. and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.

And that is why Jesus said that both body and spirit could be destroyed in gehenna.


The concept of Hell is part of the Pagan religion. In the K.J.V. of the Old Testament the Hebrew word sheol means "grave." Also other words are not translated, but the interpretation "Hell" is given. Thats why in the N.I.V. you dont see the word Hell in the Old testament. The reason you see the word Hell in the new testament, is because it was introduced into scripture by the Catholic Church. However, there is death of the body and spirit. Our bodies are mortal, and our spirits are mortal. And if God never called us back into being, we would never live again.
The INTERPRETATION "hades or gehenna" is in the K.J.V. You will not find the word "hades" in the N.I.V. Old Testament, however you will find the word "hades" in the N.I.V. New Testament as an INTERPRETATION for "grave."

So tell us, as a Jehovah's Witness, do you affirm or deny the Nicene Creed?

 

[JudaicChristian]

So tell us, as a Jehovah's Witness, do you affirm or deny the Nicene Creed?

I am independent of any denomination.

 

[Der Alte]

How can "Death" and "Hades" be thrown into hell? Is "the lake of fire" hell, or not?

The fact that the bible repeats itself saying "This is the second death, the lake of fire" indicates that the lake of fire is a symbol, an illustration, not a literal lake of fire. This "second death." However you want to define that. This second death is the death after one's has been judged; from which there is no resurrection, because you've already have been judged... a non-reversable death. Death from which one can never come back is complete distruction... which explains how hades (the gave) and death (an action) can be "hurled into the lake of fire"... because if "the lake of fire" is a symbol for an action such as irreparable distruction... it makes sense.

If the lake of fire were a physical place how would death (an action) and hades (the grave, or "hell" if you chose to translate it as such) be thrown into said place?

This is where actual knowledge of scripture will resolve your dilemma. As with most folks who advocate the annihilationist doctrine you apparently base your doctrine on a few out-of-context proof texts. As you have correctly noted death is the punctiliar cessation of life, has no physical properties and cannot be cast/thrown anywhere. The passage you are alluding can and should be interpreted without equivocation which makes one literal and one figurative, as you have done.

Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.​

The literal angel of death and the demon of hell are cast into the literal lake of fire and their power to kill is ended. You may read about the angel of death in Exodus, the night before the Israelites escaped from Egypt, and Ezekiel 9.

 

[Der Alte]

Just because there are parables in scripture does not mean that everything we read is a parable. That's where a spirit of discernment comes in handy. The bottom line is this: The concept of hell is part of the Pagan religion. The words grave and Hell are completely two different words. The word Hell does not belong in scripture, it was introduced into the scriptures. There is death of the spirit, and that is what people are redeemed from.

Whether or not there is or ever was some concept of hell in some pagan society is irrelevant unless you can show some direct connection. If we merely assume that something was copied from pagan society, then where do we stop? Ancient pagan religions had priests, temples, sacrifices, ceremonies, altars, priestly robes, etc., etc., etc.

Your opinion about the word "hell" is false and irrelevant. I have proved from irrefutable sources that the ancient Jews believed in a place of eternal, unending punishment for the unrighteous. Their belief was based on O.T. scripture NOT pagan anything. You saying it is opinion does not make it true, nor prove anything.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Whether or not there is or ever was some concept of hell in some pagan society is irrelevant unless you can show some direct connection. If we merely assume that something was copied from pagan society, then where do we stop? Ancient pagan religions had priests, temples, sacrifices, ceremonies, altars, priestly robes, etc., etc., etc.

Your opinion about the word "hell" is false and irrelevant. I have proved from irrefutable sources that the ancient Jews believed in a place of eternal, unending punishment for the unrighteous. Their belief was based on O.T. scripture NOT pagan anything. You saying it is opinion does not make it true, nor prove anything.

It is the Elect that receive immortality as a conditional gift from God. The condemned do not obtain that gift.