There is no hell.

Gary51 · Dec 21, 2008

PreachersWife2004 said:
No, actually, it was quite clear when a parable was being used.

Not to everyone... You'd be surprised by the amount of people that believe the story of the Rich Man & Lazarus is not a parable. From a recent poll about 25% of Christians on this forum believe it was literal.

&Abel · Dec 21, 2008

I would highly recommend everyone whos curious about further details concerning hell to read enoch 1, 2 esdras and theres other apocrypha as well with fairly indepth details concerning hell, sheol and punishment

&Abel · Dec 21, 2008

Gary51 said:
Not to everyone... You'd be surprised by the amount of people that believe the story of the Rich Man & Lazarus is not a parable. From a recent poll about 25% of Christians on this forum believe it was literal.

because it is

GuardianShua · Dec 21, 2008

Yahshua died to show us that there is life after physical death. The word heaven literally means "PLACE-S." Yahshua came to save us from the final judgment which is the death of the spirit. Yahshua came to reconcile man to Yahwah. The word hell was introduced into scripture in place of the words grave or pit. Hell is a Pagan belief, and part of that religion. Hell was introduced to Judaism in 167 BC by the Hellenistic Jews. During the rule of Constantine The Great, hell was introduced into Christianity. Anyone with an Exhaustive Concordance can see as a matter of fact that the word hell does not belong in scripture.

GuardianShua · Dec 21, 2008

Let me ask you this question.
Do you want to die?

LittleLambofJesus · Dec 21, 2008

Originally Posted by Gary51

Not to everyone... You'd be surprised by the amount of people that believe the story of the Rich Man & Lazarus is not a parable. From a recent poll about 25% of Christians on this forum believe it was literal.

Must be the Baptists

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=4437955&page=43
Lazarus and the rich man

fwiwwl · Dec 21, 2008

MichaelTheeArchAngel said:
Yahshua died to show us that there is life after physical death. The word heaven literally means "PLACE-S." Yahshua came to save us from the final judgment which is the death of the spirit. Yahshua came to reconcile man to Yahwah. The word hell was introduced into scripture in place of the words grave or pit. Hell is a Pagan belief, and part of that religion. Hell was introduced to Judaism in 167 BC by the Hellenistic Jews. During the rule of Constantine The Great, hell was introduced into Christianity. Anyone with an Exhaustive Concordance can see as a matter of fact that the word hell does not belong in scripture.

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Mikeb85 · Dec 21, 2008

MichaelTheeArchAngel said:
Our scriptures use many parabolic words. Hell is simply not a true scriptural teaching. The final death is the death of the spirit. Hell is part of the Pagan religion. It does not belong in the religion of Judaism and Christianity. Joining paganism to Yahwah is a sin.

You know, in some places you're correct, in others horribly wrong. It is true that the English word 'hell' is often used to describe Sheol/Hades, Gehenna, and Tartarus, and it's also true that the Roman Church introduced a flawed perception of the afterlife, and Protestants continue along the same line of error. But instead of searching for the truth, you try to invent your own, and come up with an equally flawed result.

Also, you obviously have no idea what Pagan religions actually thought about the afterlife, since most (all?) never had any concept similar to what Western Christianity thinks of as 'Hell'.

Gary51 · Dec 21, 2008

&Abel said:
because it is

Because it is what?

Gary51 · Dec 21, 2008

LittleLambofJesus said:
Must be the Baptists

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=4437955&page=43
Lazarus and the rich man

And &Abel

PreachersWife2004 · Dec 21, 2008

so again, we're still arguing semantics.

Or do you just believe that unbelievers simply go *poof*?

Viribus Unitis · Dec 21, 2008

It seems to me that Constatine was busy enough running an empire to be introducing words in Scripture. And by the way, in which version?

Mikecpking · Dec 21, 2008

&Abel said:
I would highly recommend everyone whos curious about further details concerning hell to read enoch 1, 2 esdras and theres other apocrypha as well with fairly indepth details concerning hell, sheol and punishment

Hi &Abel,
Since we e discussed this in a previous thread, those books are coming from times which were already influenced by pagan Greek and Babylonian culture and (diservely) do not belong in the bible.

Mikecpking · Dec 21, 2008

PreachersWife2004 said:
so again, we're still arguing semantics.

Or do you just believe that unbelievers simply go *poof*?

No they don't. Look at Daniel 12:2.

2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

But after physical death, it soes not mean people end up in "Hell" or "heaven".

Mikecpking · Dec 21, 2008

&Abel said:
because it is

Hi &Abel,
As we discussed, it is not literal. Nowhere else in the bible will you find even a mention of 'Abraham's bosom'.

How about you answering the points I made to you in the thread?

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7318005&page=20

MARK777 · Dec 21, 2008

Just want to subscribe to this thread... I have lots of views and opinions on this subject but I will keep quiet for the time being

PreachersWife2004 · Dec 21, 2008

Mikecpking said:
No they don't. Look at Daniel 12:2.

2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

But after physical death, it soes not mean people end up in "Hell" or "heaven".

We have no reason to believe otherwise. The bodies wait in the tomb for the final judgment, yes, but there's nothing that states our souls aren't in their intended place. But this thread is about the existence of hell, not where our souls go when we die, at least not in the context of whether they go directly to heaven/hell or not.

And it still doesn't answer the question posed of where do people who don't believe in hell believe that unbelievers go when they die the spiritual death. Apparently if they don't go to hell (or whatever word you wish to use for it) they must go somewhere or they just go *poof*.

&Abel · Dec 21, 2008

Mikecpking said:
Hi &Abel,
Since we e discussed this in a previous thread, those books are coming from times which were already influenced by pagan Greek and Babylonian culture and (diservely) do not belong in the bible.

Enoch 1 is quoted in the new testament and 2 esdras totally aligns with scripture as I've already said(I've been aligning similarities between these books and elements of the canon in other threads)

these books were used as scripture

even the epistle from clement(which is considered inspired by catholics) to the corinthians makes mention of Enoch and his spirit being translated which is a term directly from Enoch 1

you have no evidence of these books being of pagan origin(because they aren't)

Enoch 1 was also found at Qumran(the dead sea scrolls)...this scripture is the oldest that is known to exist at this time and there were 25 copies of Enoch amongst the scrolls

&Abel · Dec 21, 2008

Enoch 1 was originally found in the ethiopian church where it is canonical

there was debate of its authenticity until 25 copies of the same book were found at Qumran

GuardianShua · Dec 21, 2008

PreachersWife2004 said:
so again, we're still arguing semantics.

Or do you just believe that unbelievers simply go *poof*?

For what reason do you wish to believe Yahwah is a merciless God, who will torture living beings for all eternity?
Since scriptures state that there is DEATH of the spirit in the final judgment, then it is reasonable to conclude that Yahwah takes their life from them.

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