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I suppose that if a person is not very good at solving a riddle, that it would be best for them to move on to other things. Most people know how to read, and some study what they read. But very few learn to read between the lines.
You say that it is the same thing, and that you have read it. And that is where you are wrong. Is it truly the same thing? Oh well, never mind!Whatever you choose to conclude is of your own doing, not ours. Perhaps some of us are tired of reading the same thing over and over and have sought out better discussions.
MichaelTheeArchAngel...just curious.
I've noticed you're a 4 year veteran in these parts, and was just wondering...is what's happened in this thread in any way representative of what your 4 years here have been comprised of? ...trying day in and day out to convince virtually everybody and their cat that there isn't a hell, or angels?
Wouldn't that get draining? And woud this really be worth your time considering the reaction?
Still...I must give you props for keeping a considerably cool head through all this.
Laters, bro!
"Not allowed"? Watcha mean there? ...sounds a bit sketchy.And of course there are things that I am not allowed to talk about.
Truth...from facts?I always say, truth is made known by the reason of the facts.
Truth does not have to be of Divine origin, it can be a revelation. As you know we have rules on this message board which prevents me from being straight forward. Some times the truth is ugly and offencieve."Not allowed"? Watcha mean there? ...sounds a bit sketchy.
Truth...from facts?
I always thought it was through revelation that the Truth is made known.
Peace
CF does not allow free speech.... They only permit one to ask questions within the boundaries that they set."Not allowed"? Watcha mean there? ...sounds a bit sketchy.
CF does not allow free speech.... They only permit one to ask questions within the boundaries that they set.
If their truth is contained within their boundaries, what is there to fear from certain questions? If one sets boundaries, then one's faith is subject to boundaries!
1 Thessalonians 5:21 (King James Version)
21Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
When one sets boundaries, one is not able to prove all things!
There appears to be much conflict going on already within what they allow. So, if their aim is stopping conflict via cenorship, they appear to be failing.I think one reason they done that is to prevent some conflict among Christians who are very passionate about some doctrines.
Ummm, 17 hundred years have passed since Nicea... How much time have we got!Personally I believe that if any doctrine is sound that it will stand the test of time.
I can see that!The only way to perpetuate an error is to keep it from being discussed.
Yeah, but some more than others.... Just like love... some have more than others.... And the same can be said for most emotions.And then there is always the problem of human pride. We humans are full of it.
There appears to be much conflict going on already within what they allow. So, if their aim is stopping conflict via cenorship, they appear to be failing.
Ummm, 17 hundred years have passed since Nicea... How much time have we got! If you have studied the history of the Judaeo (Judaizing) Christians, then you would know that they were wiped out by the Catholics, and almost none were left alive. But we are soon to see some changes. The time of the end will go beyond what Christians now think.
I can see that!
Yeah, but some more than others.... Just like love... some have more than others.... And the same can be said for most emotions.
I guess they and us will find out at the Final Consummation of the AgeGenesis 18:25
Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"
After Yahwah kills the wicked, how is it that there will be life in Hell?
There is no hell. The words in scripture were not correctly translated into English. The joining of the Pagan religion about hell is a Catholic invention.See Holman Bible Dictionary at: http://studylight.org/dic/hbd/view.cgi?number=T2696
It was the bias of the translators that have established it in scripture.
The Hebrew word Sheol Should have been translated as grave.
The Angle Saxon word hel meaning to bury. It is more than a mistranslation it a premeditated deliberate assault on scripture to introduce the Teutonic pagan word.
Tar-ta-rus (tart rs) [[ Gr Tartaros ]] Gr. Myth. 1 an infernal abyss below Hades, where Zeus hurls the rebel Titans, later a place of punishment for the demons and devils not people. (mentioned only once in the Bible)
Ha-des (hadez) [[Gr Haides ]] 1 Gr. Myth. a) the home of the dead, beneath the earth b) the god of the underworld 2 Bible the state or resting place of the dead: name used in some modern translations of the New Testament
She-ol (eol) [[Heb shaal , to dig]] a place in the depths of the earth conceived of as the dwelling of the dead Note: translated in KJV about half of scriptures as hell, the other half as grave
Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell (Gehenna) fire.
Gehenna is the garbage dump outside the city of Jerusalem.
It is true that our bodies return to the dust, and our spirits go to live with the Father. But what about the condemed? Do they also (go or return) to live with our Father. Or are they cut off from the living? It is true that God will bring the condemed back to life, as a part of their punishment. The word "fire" and other words like it, are often used parabolically to mean judgement. We do not worship a God who is without mercy or who tortures people for all eternity.
John 5.
28. "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29. and come outthose who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.
And that is why Jesus said that both body and spirit could be destroyed in gehenna.
The concept of Hell is part of the Pagan religion. In the K.J.V. of the Old Testament the Hebrew word sheol means "grave." Also other words are not translated, but the interpretation "Hell" is given. Thats why in the N.I.V. you dont see the word Hell in the Old testament. The reason you see the word Hell in the new testament, is because it was introduced into scripture by the Catholic Church. However, there is death of the body and spirit. Our bodies are mortal, and our spirits are mortal. And if God never called us back into being, we would never live again.
The INTERPRETATION "hades or gehenna" is in the K.J.V. You will not find the word "hades" in the N.I.V. Old Testament, however you will find the word "hades" in the N.I.V. New Testament as an INTERPRETATION for "grave."
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