There is no Hell!

[GuardianShua]

The concept of Hell is part of the Pagan religion. In the K.J.V. of the Old Testament the Hebrew word sheol means "grave." Also other words are not translated, but the interpretation "Hell" is given. Thats why in the N.I.V. you dont see the word Hell in the Old testament. The reason you see the word Hell in the new testament, is because it was introduced into scripture by the Catholic Church. However, there is death of the body and spirit. Our bodies are mortal, and our spirits are mortal. And if God never called us back into being, we would never live again. And where Jesus said: have you not heared, you are gods:/// That is based upon the promise of believing that Jesus is the way to the truth and life: By the way, it is hidden in scripture that God is Truth and Life. Also we must keep Gods commandments because they were not done away with. It was Moses laws that were written in stone by Joshua that were done away with. Dont forget the bible uses many parables.

 

[LJSGM]

The concept of Hell is part of the Pagan religion. In the K.J.V. of the Old Testament the Hebrew word sheol means "grave." Also other words are not translated, but the interpretation "Hell" is given. Thats why in the N.I.V. you dont see the word Hell in the Old testament. The reason you see the word Hell in the new testament, is because it was introduced into scripture by the Catholic Church. However, there is death of the body and spirit. Our bodies are mortal, and our spirits are mortal. And if God never called us back into being, we would never live again. And where Jesus said: have you not heared, you are gods:/// That is based upon the promise of believing that Jesus is the way to the truth and life: By the way, it is hidden in scripture that God is Truth and Life. Also we must keep Gods commandments because they were not done away with. It was Moses laws that were written in stone by Joshua that were done away with. Dont forget the bible uses many parables.

I believed this, sorta, until I saw this verse, and now I'm not so sure.

John 5


28"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. 30By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

I always wondered by Jesus said that both body and soul would be destroyed in gehenna.


Also, there was a hades in the old testament, gehenna and hades are not interchangable, they are two different places.

 

[jive4005]

Certainly hell is no movie version of the same... but it's a real place and exists ever bit as much as heaven or me and you. Can I prove it... no. But I KNOW it. It is certainly a place for those lost to God... not someplace I'm going to!

His,
Rev J

 

[Shiversblood]

*gasp* !

 

[LJSGM]

I should clarify what I believed... that the dead that were in hades would not rise again (those that are not in Christ), but would be thrown in the lake of fire. But of course, Jesus says all will rise and be judged?

I'm not sure what the person who started this OP believes in the end.

 

[GuardianShua]

I believed this, sorta, until I saw this verse, and now I'm not so sure.

John 5


28"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. 30By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

I always wondered by Jesus said that both body and soul would be destroyed in gehenna.


Also, there was a hades in the old testament, gehenna and hades are not interchangable, they are two different places.

The INTERPRETATION "hades or gehenna" is in the K.J.V. You will not find the word "hades" in the N.I.V. Old Testament, however you will find the word "hades" in the N.I.V. New Testament as a INTERPRETATION for "grave." As for God raising the condemed back to life, no one can say for certain, because it is given in parabolic form. Maybe He will or may be He wont; no one knows. I know the bible is difficult to understand at times, but there is rhyme and reason. People keep asking me for proof and I keep referring to the bible and the EXAUSTIVE CONCORDANCE. If you dont have the K.J.V. bible and Strong's Exaustive Concordance, along with the N.I.V. bible and Exaustive Concordance, well then, you are not going to see the truth for yourself. Are the words you are reading a translation, or an interpretation? What you are taught as Christians depends on who's team your on.

 

[JolieHeart]

When considering the bottom line of eternity with or without God... Does it really matter? You either spend eternity with Him or not (hell).

 

[LJSGM]

The INTERPRETATION "hades or gehenna" is in the K.J.V. You will not find the word "hades" in the N.I.V. Old Testament, however you will find the word "hades" in the N.I.V. New Testament as a INTERPRETATION for "grave." As for God raising the condemed back to life, no one can say for certain, because it is given in parabolic form. Maybe He will or may be He wont; no one knows. I know the bible is difficult to understand at times, but there is rhyme and reason. People keep asking me for proof and I keep referring to the bible and the EXAUSTIVE CONCORDANCE. If you dont have the K.J.V. bible and Strong's Exaustive Concordance, along with the N.I.V. bible and Exaustive Concordance, well then, you are not going to see the truth for yourself. Are the words you are reading a translation, or an interpretation? What you are taught as Christians depends on who's team your on.

It's not difficult to understand when you have the Holy Spirit. I understand it, because I ask for understanding.

I don't see how you can say Jesus was speaking in a parable when he said this fact about the dead in John 5:28

 

[LJSGM]

When considering the bottom line of eternity with or without God... Does it really matter? You either spend eternity with Him or not (hell).

You're probably right,

but we're just having a little discussion on it, that's all

 

[GuardianShua]

It's not difficult to understand when you have the Holy Spirit. I understand it, because I ask for understanding.

I don't see how you can say Jesus was speaking in a parable when he said this fact about the dead in John 5:28

You have made a good point, but in other places in the bible it is given in parabols. It may very well be true the God will bring the condemed back to life, as a part of their punishment. The word "fire" and other words like it, are often used parabolically to mean judgement. We do not worship a God who is without mercy or who tortures people for all eternity.

 

[Shiversblood]

What about the fire heap in Jesuralem with the worm crawling in the garbage the townsfolk through into the landfill and burned the heaps.

 

[bill'swife]

dream on....

 

[GuardianShua]

What about the fire heap in Jesuralem with the worm crawling in the garbage the townsfolk through into the landfill and burned the heaps.

yes that is a parable. It shows us that the condemed will be completely distroyed for all eternity.

 

[Lightcreated]

Ummm....HELL will be a reality very soon for a lot of people very very soon.
God means what he saids, and hell is no made up place, and you are calling God a liar.
You can confort your self in believing hell is a lie, but the fact is there will be a place were those who stand for judgement on the last day will go to suffer the eternal wrath of god and that place is called hell.God doesn't need you to believe in what he said to bring to pass what he has planed since before time, all things he plans to do will surely without a doubt come to pass.

 

[0n3]

Ummm....HELL will be a reality very soon for a lot of people very very soon.
God means what he saids, and hell is no made up place, and you are calling God a liar.
You can confort your self in believing hell is a lie, but the fact is there will be a place were those who stand for judgement on the last day will go to suffer the eternal wrath of god and that place is called hell.God doesn't need you to believe in what he said to bring to pass what he has planed since before time, all things he plans to do will surely without a doubt come to pass.

Well said.

 

[Ben12]

The concept of Hell is part of the Pagan religion. In the K.J.V. of the Old Testament the Hebrew word sheol means "grave." Also other words are not translated, but the interpretation "Hell" is given. Thats why in the N.I.V. you dont see the word Hell in the Old testament. The reason you see the word Hell in the new testament, is because it was introduced into scripture by the Catholic Church. However, there is death of the body and spirit. Our bodies are mortal, and our spirits are mortal. And if God never called us back into being, we would never live again. And where Jesus said: have you not heared, you are gods:/// That is based upon the promise of believing that Jesus is the way to the truth and life: By the way, it is hidden in scripture that God is Truth and Life. Also we must keep Gods commandments because they were not done away with. It was Moses laws that were written in stone by Joshua that were done away with. Dont forget the bible uses many parables.

If our spirits were mortal then I guess the following scripture is a lie? I do not believe in eternal hell; I do believe the wicked will be punished (Gk)pruned, chastised) in the Lake of Fire but not forever.

Ecclesiastes 12:7​

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.​

Notice there is no clarification of being sinners or lost about us being born again just the clear FACT the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.​

 

[Breaking Babylon]

How I wish that was true.

You're making parables out of whatever you want. What's next, the Crucifixion is a parable too?

Frankly nothing surprises me anymore. You've got one person saying there's no more sin, one person saying there's no Trinity, one person saying there's no hell, one person saying there are many paths to the same mountaintop and we all worship God in our own way, one person saying this, one person saying that...

But hey, there are over 20 some thousand groups in existence today with different ideas of God, and that's only in 'Christianity.' What can you expect. What's more, there's a new group born every day with the 'God-inspired truth'.

Forgive me, but, I'm not convinced that one man with Strong's Concordance is illuminated with some sort of a truth that goes against everything that the Church has stood for, and Martyrs have died for, for nearly 2,000 years.

Not believing in hell won't keep anyone from going there.

 

[GuardianShua]

If our spirits were mortal then I guess the following scripture is a lie? I do not believe in eternal hell; I do believe the wicked will be punished (Gk)pruned, chastised) in the Lake of Fire but not forever.

Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.​

Notice there is no clarification of being sinners or lost about us being born again just the clear FACT the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.​

Yes, it is true that our bodies return to the dust, and our spirits go to live with the Father. But what about the condemed? Do they also (go or return) to live with our Father. Or are they cut off from the living?

 

[Ben12]

Yes, it is true that our bodies return to the dust, and our spirits go to live with the Father. But what about the condemed? Do they also (go or return) to live with our Father. Or are they cut off from the living?

God’s people are so concerned about the sinner; they do not understand the ultimate purpose of what God is doing; the priesthood. The below listed scripture to me says it all; don’t even give me in context argument because the context is totally contained within these few words. There are many scriptures that declare the salvation of all; but God’s people are so in tuned to hear Baby lon and condemnation instead a decision by God.

Romans 5:18-20 (Weymouth’s)​

It follows then just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation which to the whole race, so also is the result of a single degree of righteousness is a life giving acquittal which extends to the whole race. (19) for as thought the disobedience of one individual the mass of mankind were constituted as sinners, so also though the obedience of one, the mass of mankind will be constituted righteous. Now law was brought in later on so that the transgression might increase, but sin increased, grace is overflowed.​

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[Jerrell]

Shoel and Hades are the holding place of souls. THey are referred to as the "underworld" sometimes as "a bosom" or "a resting place." These are the places where the souls go after departing from earth. Hell is simply another name given to it (in English). There are different parts to hell. All of hell is not burning fire, and all of hell is not full with evil people. However there is a place in hell which is bad....