There IS no gravity.

[rambot]

There have been circumpolar trips. I have flown the entirety around the globe on different trips. My parents have done it in different directions, on several occasions.

As for the earth being curved?
Airplanes, sensibly, will always take the shortest distance between their departure and and arrival point. To do that on a flat earth, they would be following a straight latitudinal line. But they don't do that at all. The follow curved travel lines.

Why would airlines travel an extra few hundred kilometers in wasted fuel by going in these archs if the earth was flat?

 

[rambot]

I was one of the "millions of people" who worked on NASA projects, (5-axis CNC Aircraft Machining) pretty critical parts too that we were not to know anything else about, "top secret" you know, .. hush-hush, .. we wouldn't want Russia or China to steal the 'technology', .. lol (I laugh now, because that part I was working on may have been the ones sent to Russia, or even China)
I used to eat that up, .. I felt proud to be part of the space-race, especially when we were racing against the Axis-of-Evil.
.. until I stopped for a second to see a video a FE debater (now my friend, and consider him God-sent) whose ideas I was taking lightly with smart-alecky remarks before he shown me a video.
The video wasn't even about NASA-space, but it just stopped me long enough to realize that "what we thought we knew, what we were taught for all our lives about the earth may have been all lies, and the truth was still there, only I have to look deeper to find it.
I turned to science, not just accepting what TPTB tells me what's science, and my eyes started to open and realized EVERYTHING NASA told us about space travel were Lies. The Only Real thing was rockets being shot up in the air, turning, and disappearing into the horizon. The rest was whatever NASA Sci-Fientists (that's right, that is exactly what they are, sci-fi artists) shown us through CGI art.

So again, other people are lying, that's why you know the truth. Correct?

No, not Russia. Russia found out that we're in a Dome, but NASA bought out whatever technology they had shooting up rockets, and then (from historical data) they were paid well to Keep this from the public with much needed wheat and money, stolen from Jews during the war, and now that they took over the US Military, .. from the US taxpayers.
The rest of the countries know this, and want to be considered as "Technologically Advanced", (or science-smart) also, because as you know, if you wear the Einstein's E=MC^2 symbol on your college sweater, or mention space, globe, satellites, or listen to space- music;

I'm curious if you recognize how few of your arguments thus far have anything to do with science and everything to do with conspiratorial professional relationships and lying about other people's motivations when you have no concept of the truth to to that regard

you are considered cool, sciency and smart, and so of course the rest of the countries want to be considered "smart" too, so they ask NASA for permission to advertise to the world that they-too sent up satellites and, men on the moon, and that they have just as good artists to draw/paint planets as NASA has, so NASA gives them permission, .. for a cost of course.
They are not evil parse, just want to be sci-fi-cool too, and be considered smart.

Jesus Christ is my Brother, my Lord and my Savior, I follow Him, and would never spread false accusations against anyone.

My brother, you are not aware of the words you share then. That or you believe someone else who bears false witness.

Mathew 5:14 -
14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

It is from my concern for humanity, and their soul salvation (just as it is for most FE from what I've seen), that from the years of investigating and studying I would share what I (and other FE's) have found about these lies-gone-wild and reveal them.

Bell- Curve - NASA's 33 degree Kline-Connection formed July 29 1958

So again, the FE argument is reduced to bearing false witness against millions of people.

Too often I hear from FEers about how "they have evidence of ____" but I have literally never seen them provide a single piece of actual, strong evidence (if any at all). And FEers always talk about the "they". It's so easy to believe anything "they" say. But let me tell you, I'll believe Copernicus, Galileo and that ilk.

Given your background in science, I am excited to see ACTUAL evidence and not simply "the government" tinhattery. I assume the science you studied for years to become accomplished enough to work in the greatest space agency in the planet was not easily abandoned. What was your role at NASA? Engineer?

So I can't help but think that you will be able to provide some completely astounding, dumbfounding, mind morphing evidence. I mean, I've seen nothing close to that yet but is it safe to say that it's coming?

 

[JackRT]

A few years ago my daughter flew from Toronto to Hong Kong ---- almost due north over the Arctic close to the pole and then south over Siberia, Mongolia and China. Way shorter than simply flying west and a bit south.

 

[rambot]

Perhaps "Big Airline" is in on the rouse. That's the only explanation.

 

[JacksBratt]

Indeed, they're not sure.
But that doesn't make the phenomenon less real.

I don't think you will find anyone that doesn't think that things fall down. That heavier items will push lighter items out of the way. That light things like a helium balloon will rise up through the heavier atmosphere.... nobody.

 

[JacksBratt]

Honestly I don't know how to find scientific research from the 1600 and 1700s. This stuff has been studied and incontrovertible for 2 centuries. Then 21st century man thinks he's stumbled acrossbsomething never before considered.

Gimme some time and I'll look for some junior high or high school astronomy textbook

Well, maybe it's because now, with the internet, people who have been observing odd things about this universe can now get together and talk about it and compare notes. Previously, they would have been ridiculed and shunned.... never allowed a voice. But.. now they are united....

Not only that, but now, people are able to take the photos that NASA puts out and investigate them.. show that they are fake... show cloned cloud formations... duplicates and different sizes.

And, on top of that, they have access to cameras that can zoom to great amounts and, through digital technology, they don't have to wait to get them developed before they can make adjustments and hone in on high resolution pictures of our heavenly bodies.
One other thing is that they are able to research all the things that they never taught in school.. that are just as real as the things they did teach... or... finding the truth about the things that were taught that were not true... Like Columbus discovering America FALSE....

Add to that the fact that we can research the different archeological structures that defy modern science and have existed since ancient times...

Yes, the information explosion has opened up a treasure trove of things that would not be known otherwise.. and... it can be spread though the world of inquiring minds.

Now.. if you want to hang on to the old stand by academic drivel... go ahead.. But all will be exposed.

 

[JacksBratt]

And the most paranoid chickens keep staring at the abyss trying to create evidence from nothing.

I love this kind of response... It has no basis or point.. and.. it has no reference as to which camp it supports... it is basically a ridicule that has no clout, support or validation.. It says.. nothing.

 

[JacksBratt]

Out of curiosity why is it we don't listen to NASA? Which kind of New Work Order is going on?

Its not the NASA means deceive in Hebrew nonsense is it? Because it doesn, for the record.

Wha?

 

[JacksBratt]

So because NASA are untrustworthy freemasons that have been caught lying and misrepresenting stuff, the earth is flat?
LOL

No. Stop and think... Because NASA has lied and put out disingenuous images.. fakery... and such... Their data is inadmissible. They are no longer a valid source.

In court, their testimony would be worthless.


Now. Try to prove the globe..... without NASA.

 

[JacksBratt]

Its amazing to me that the millions of people who have or who do work at NASA are doing such a great job at being tight lipped about the "truth". Its so shocking that it makes me doubt the entire story line that NASA is organization of evil incarnate.

What are your thoughts on the space programs of China, Iran, Europe, canada, japan, india, and Russia? Are they just as evil or are there?

I only say this because I worry you are spreading dangerously false testimony against someone with no proof of their personal culpability.

In an organization, like NASA, people are compartmentalized and one hand does not know what the other is doing...
This is an argument that is used a lot.. People think that they have put an end to the debate. But... they don't understand how easy it is to be told.. "it's a need to know basis and you don't need to know".

In my place of work.. there are only 6 departments and I would have no clue what goes on in the other ones.. except... I have worked in almost all of them.

They no longer move people around like that and one employee is oblivious to the work of others...

If you think that there is no collaboration between space programs of all the countries... ask yourself why the Antarctic treaty has lasted for almost 60 years.. with no disputes.

 

[JacksBratt]

Wow, 3 seconds of the "Billion dollar view", .. with a cheap fisheye lens camera like Baumgartner's free-fall jump, .. only his curvature of the globe was far greater then this one!?

My favorite photos and vids are when the so called photographer is on the ground and there is curvature.... Nice...Visible curvature from 0 feet.

 

[JacksBratt]

It was in reaction to your matter of factly claims without arguments, so...What cancels eachother out?
And how can it be light day and night in the summer on Antarctica, if Antarctica is supposed to be the outer perimeter of a flat earth?So you've got nothing.
And guess what: Neither do they.
I asked, and asked some more, and decided to email one of the FE Gurus.
They only suggest to "look into it" and "do research".
So i did, and there's no solution.
It's just not there.It doesn't explain reality.
It's just more nonsense to try and sell the FE myth.
(By the way, the sun is only 8 light minutes away.)




Well, i came across a FE argument at the time, that if the earth was spinning 1 revolution per 24 hours, the centrifugal force would make things on the equator fly off the earth...
So i looked into it, because it seemed to me the spin would indeed cause a lot of centrifugal force.
But when you calculate it, using fairly basic laws of physics, it's only a small effect.
But none the less, it's there.
I forget the numbers, but i think it was like 0.1% or something. maybe more though.
I don't remember and didn't make notes or bookmarks.No they're not.
longitudinal distances would be enormous closer to the south pole (or outer rim) compared to closer to the north pole (or centre)Yes, but a map is a spherical surface 'mapped' on a rectangle.
You know the real map is like a flattened out orange peel, with cuts.Yes, but that's because NASA pictures are often ambiguous.
But it would also depend on the distance between the camera and the sphere.
Close to the sphere with a wide angle lens or far away with a zoom lens is very different from eachother.
But as i pointed out, we don't need NASA to prove anything.
Airplanes are very helpful though.
And so are satellites.
The pictures from the sky make a map that only match up on a sphere.
And the distances on a globe model match reality.
For practical purposes maps are rendered in 2 dimensions.
And that's fine for relatively short distances.I doubt that was an actual conclusion.
It's something completely different though.
If only because witches have to do with the supernatural, unlike observations and discoveries regarding our natural reality.
Man has a need for navigation on the seas and a need to be able to tell time.
A need to make maps, a need to satisfy the hunger for knowledge about common reality.
Man likes to analyse things and discover consistencies, so they can determine the rules and laws of nature.
By the way, the magnetic field you can observe with a 3D compass everywhere is consistent with a sphere with 2 opposite poles.
Closer to the poles the needle will point down.
Classic toroidal lines.It's probably debunked too..
Many FE experiments have been debunked because of mistakes that were made.
Of course the FE gurus won't tell you that or admit to it.
But i don't think i've come across your example, so i don't know.
Well, isn't that the thing with mountains (and valleys), that they don't conform to the curve?
But feel free to pop us a link when you have one.
Could be interesting.And that's the crazy part of this whole thing.
Why the fakery and doubtful "facts" when there is so much clear evidence that leaves little to no doubt about the shape of the earth?
Besides, maybe Hawking was a fake himself.
Or maybe just a biological prop they could give a robot voice and have him say anything they wanted?
But that's another disturbing subject...

Well, as i said, as a Bible believing Christian, and having learned that modern day truths aren't necessarily true at all, i was in favour of the Flat Earth model.
And there seem to be / seem to have been certain 'forces' behind propagating certain beliefs about our Earth, the solar system and outer space, with an agenda behind it.
So i was very much open to the idea.
I mean, they have millions of people believe a pointless point in the middle of nothing exploded* into what we have and what we are today...
So i wanted to know more about this too.
So i looked for evidence.
But it failed the test afterall, and meanwhile the globe did not fail.
I guess i would be 100% certain if i had a rocket that could fly me around the earth so i could see for myself.

*they don't want us to call it an explosion though, because it sounds to destructive. They want us to call it an expansion, albeit a very fast one...

Well, I'm happy that you are content with your opinion.

As for me, I will continue to search to find out which is the truth.

 

[JacksBratt]

There have been circumpolar trips. I have flown the entirety around the globe on different trips. My parents have done it in different directions, on several occasions.

As for the earth being curved?
Airplanes, sensibly, will always take the shortest distance between their departure and and arrival point. To do that on a flat earth, they would be following a straight latitudinal line. But they don't do that at all. The follow curved travel lines.

Why would airlines travel an extra few hundred kilometers in wasted fuel by going in these archs if the earth was flat?

How on earth would you know if the plane you were on flew a curved path or a straight path... The lines on your map are projected as if it is a globe... it's proof of nothing.

 

[Hieronymus]

No. Stop and think... Because NASA has lied and put out disingenuous images.. fakery... and such... Their data is inadmissible. They are no longer a valid source.

In court, their testimony would be worthless.


Now. Try to prove the globe..... without NASA.

That's my point.
And i literally said it too:
No need for flying freemasons and their ambiguous video footage.
So i find proof for the globe elsewhere.

 

[Hieronymus]

I don't think you will find anyone that doesn't think that things fall down. That heavier items will push lighter items out of the way.

That's gravity pulling harder on high density objects than on low density objects.
F = m × g
Increasing mass (m) increases F (force).
Without gravity this would not be the case.
When g is zero, F is also zero, even if m is 1,000,000 kg.
Without gravity light things would not float on heavy things.

 

[Hieronymus]

There have been circumpolar trips. I have flown the entirety around the globe on different trips. My parents have done it in different directions, on several occasions.

As for the earth being curved?
Airplanes, sensibly, will always take the shortest distance between their departure and and arrival point. To do that on a flat earth, they would be following a straight latitudinal line. But they don't do that at all. The follow curved travel lines.

Why would airlines travel an extra few hundred kilometers in wasted fuel by going in these archs if the earth was flat?

That only looks curved on a flat map though.
On a globe they would be straight lines, only curved along the global curvature.

 

[JacksBratt]

That's gravity pulling harder on high density objects than on low density objects.
F = m × g
Increasing mass (m) increases F (force).
Without gravity this would not be the case.
When g is zero, F is also zero, even if m is 1,000,000 kg.
Without gravity light things would not float on heavy things.

Or.... buoyancy. We already discussed that it is the source of gravity that is illusive...

Yours is just a theory... like people discussing how they get the caramel inside the caramilk bar...We know it's there but your guess and my guess as to how it gets there are never proven.

 

[Rick Otto]

That only looks curved on a flat map though.
On a globe they would be straight lines, only curved along the global curvature.

What would be a formula that describes the curve?
Do you accept 8" per mile squared?

 

[A_Thinker]

What would be a formula that describes the curve?

Do you accept 8" per mile squared?

Earth Curvature Calculator - Calculate the curve you should see

 

[Hieronymus]

Or.... buoyancy.

Same thing.

We already discussed that it is the source of gravity that is illusive...

No, buoyancy works because of gravitational pull.
Heavy things sink under lighter things.
Does not apply when there is no gravity.

Yours is just a theory... like people discussing how they get the caramel inside the caramilk bar...We know it's there but your guess and my guess as to how it gets there are never proven.

Nonsense and a silly comparison..
It's a PROVEN theory.
In fact, the theory is derived from experiments. Man discovers laws of physics.
It's basic Newtonian physics.
You can prove it every day with simple experiments.
That doesn't mean or require you must know what causes it though.

Look, if you think buoyancy has nothing to do with gravity, you just lack basic understanding of physics.