Theophostic

[akasmom]

I knew a woman who went through it while she was working on a music project with my husband. She said it was helping, but started to become histrionic, paranoid, and accused my husband of doing things with all kinds of wrong intentions, etc. and finally told him he reminded her father and threw him off the project after he had gone to a lot of personal and professional trouble for her, for free and in good faith. In short, during the course of the 'ministry', she went from being a pretty nice person to a complete basket case.

Now, that's completely anecdotal, and just one person. When she first told me about it it sounded great, but here was the problem I saw in it. She says you sit and pray together and the person has a word for you or whatever and you talk it out and work out the issues that way. So what if the person who has the word isn't hearing from God? I mean if they are it's great, but how do you know? It is too easy for a vulnerable person to get really hurt or taken advantage of in this type of situation. I wouldn't say throw the baby out with the bathwater, but do approach with caution.

 

[Atlantians]

BTW, what is 'Inner Healing?'. Sounds like new age, but thats just me. We dont get inner healing we get born again and then transformed by the renewing of the mind.

God Bless You

Inner Healing is emotional and mental healing of past harm done to your phsyche.

The way you were treated by people, what you were called, stuff of that nature can cause unfortunate emotional and mental "harm".
Inner Healing is restoring that.

Unfortunately alot of Inner Healing programs are nonsence.

 

[lismore]

The way you were treated by people, what you were called, stuff of that nature can cause unfortunate emotional and mental "harm".
Inner Healing is restoring that.
Unfortunately alot of Inner Healing programs are nonsence.

In my experience dredging up past hurts to try and deal with them just makes the person hurt once again. If you have an old wound then why keep opening it?
Instead apply soothing balm and the scar will disappear:

2 Cor 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!

The old man has gone and I dont know where to find him! Someone with a ministry please help me to get the old man back so I can deliver him

 

[lismore]

Don’t let the term “Theophositic” scare you. It is simply a compound word from “Theos” (God) and “phosphos” (light) and means “God’s Light” Prayer Ministry.

Then why not just call it God's light' prayer ministry? Why try to make it seem super spiritual?

 

[JimB]

Then why not just call it God's light' prayer ministry? Why try to make it seem super spiritual?

And why not? What they call themselves is nobody’s business but their own. You've had some friends in this forum with user names that are Greek (or something) and that doesn’t seem to bother you.

~Jim (a friend of Didaskalos)

An ignorant person is someone who doesn’t know something you only learned yesterday.​

 

[lismore]

And why not? What they call themselves is nobody’s business but their own.

Well, If they called themselves something in the 'lingua franca' they would maybe have more takers.

 

[whitedove7]

I studied under Ed Smith - founder of Theophostic, ministered to others with it, and had ministry done to me for 3.5 years and I can say it is not of God. I ended up having generalized anxiety attack and started researching it out and found it the new agers have done this for years.

To call Jesus into your memory is not of God. It is a form of visualization that ends up doing this biologically. Such as your cerebral cortex gets blocked that is your discernmetn for reality and the penial gland is opened up that is kind of like a doorway to the second heavens.

The only difference between this and what the new agers do is they call in angels and your spirit guides into your memory. If you were a christian and you went to a new age theta healer, then they would also call your Jesus into your memory but you are not getting jesus in yoru memory but spirit guides.

Plus, I studied under Ed Smith and he does not believe in repentance. He believes once you are saved you don't deal with repentance but deal with your lies.

The result what it did for me was that I started having problems in church. when I would hear the truth, I would zone out like a type of hypnotic transe. Anyway, went through deliverance and man what an ordeal to get free but did get free.

When someone told me it was wrong, I argued with them and had to study and research it out and did for six months. I went to those I ministered too that believed it was doing great things for them afterward but they also had anxiety attacks with no reason. Why, because the memory is blocked.

I hope this helps and I know I'm stepping on toes. I went for 3.5 years believing Theophostics and did not connect the dots. Later I did. It is a type of occultic practice that is sweeping the church. Again, I know I'm stepping on toes and I'm just sharing my heart becuase of my findings out of research as well as personal experience. I was deceived back then.

 

[kenblaster5000]

What is it?

Never heard the word before that I remember.

Did a google search.

Appears to be a counciling procedure but does not mention using the Bible as a basis for the counseling.

Only the training of the counselor to hear the HS and Interceed.

Sound at first like something to avoid.

It is to be avoided. These are meditations that even the U.N. is using. They have prayer and mediatation rooms to a universal christ, a false christ. If any meditation is taking the focus off of Jesus Christ, his salvation, it should be avoided.

 

[kenblaster5000]

I knew a woman who went through it while she was working on a music project with my husband. She said it was helping, but started to become histrionic, paranoid, and accused my husband of doing things with all kinds of wrong intentions, etc. and finally told him he reminded her father and threw him off the project after he had gone to a lot of personal and professional trouble for her, for free and in good faith. In short, during the course of the 'ministry', she went from being a pretty nice person to a complete basket case.

Now, that's completely anecdotal, and just one person. When she first told me about it it sounded great, but here was the problem I saw in it. She says you sit and pray together and the person has a word for you or whatever and you talk it out and work out the issues that way. So what if the person who has the word isn't hearing from God? I mean if they are it's great, but how do you know? It is too easy for a vulnerable person to get really hurt or taken advantage of in this type of situation. I wouldn't say throw the baby out with the bathwater, but do approach with caution.

Sounds to me like someone who contacts mediums, or spirits, a spiritist. Look into freemasonry, these guys are deeep into the occult, blasphemy and hatred of Jesus Christ, the way, the truth, and the life.

 

[kenblaster5000]

In my experience dredging up past hurts to try and deal with them just makes the person hurt once again. If you have an old wound then why keep opening it?
Instead apply soothing balm and the scar will disappear:

2 Cor 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!

The old man has gone and I dont know where to find him! Someone with a ministry please help me to get the old man back so I can deliver him

Soothing balm, interesting, Jesus Christ spit on the ground, made a salve and put it in the blind man's eyes, and he saw.

 

[FortunateSon]

As I said before, I believe this area of ministry has been greatly over-looked within the body of Christ. What might not have been clear is that I'm not speaking of "inner healing" ministries in particular being needed, but rather ministries that focus on the renewing of the mind.

I am currently studying through Thom Gardner's "Healing the Wounded Heart" which is another of the "inner healing" programs very much along the lines of Theophostic. While Gardner's includes the Holy Spirit much more than Theophostic, ultimately it is still very flesh centered. However, his ministry has some very good and useful tools, and the connection between past hurts and un-Christlike behaviours in the Christian is spot on in my opinion.

Ultimately though, both of these ministries are severely over-complicated with far to many hoops to jump through for something God has already promised to do Himself. Namely, our sanctification.

 

[JimB]

I studied under Ed Smith - founder of Theophostic, ministered to others with it, and had ministry done to me for 3.5 years and I can say it is not of God. I ended up having generalized anxiety attack and started researching it out and found it the new agers have done this for years.

To call Jesus into your memory is not of God. It is a form of visualization that ends up doing this biologically. Such as your cerebral cortex gets blocked that is your discernmetn for reality and the penial gland is opened up that is kind of like a doorway to the second heavens.

The only difference between this and what the new agers do is they call in angels and your spirit guides into your memory. If you were a christian and you went to a new age theta healer, then they would also call your Jesus into your memory but you are not getting jesus in yoru memory but spirit guides.

Plus, I studied under Ed Smith and he does not believe in repentance. He believes once you are saved you don't deal with repentance but deal with your lies.

The result what it did for me was that I started having problems in church. when I would hear the truth, I would zone out like a type of hypnotic transe. Anyway, went through deliverance and man what an ordeal to get free but did get free.

When someone told me it was wrong, I argued with them and had to study and research it out and did for six months. I went to those I ministered too that believed it was doing great things for them afterward but they also had anxiety attacks with no reason. Why, because the memory is blocked.

I hope this helps and I know I'm stepping on toes. I went for 3.5 years believing Theophostics and did not connect the dots. Later I did. It is a type of occultic practice that is sweeping the church. Again, I know I'm stepping on toes and I'm just sharing my heart becuase of my findings out of research as well as personal experience. I was deceived back then.

Thanx, wd7. At least your objection comes from personal knowledge and not just a theological bias.

\o/

An ignorant person is someone who doesn’t know something you only learned yesterday.​

 

[NewSong]

I have relations in Australia who I don't speak with much, but the last I heard was that they are very involved in Theophostic Prayer Ministry and think its really effective for setting people free. They said they did use Neil Anderson's approach too, but got better results with Theophostic Prayer and minister to people in the outback.

I haven't had any experience myself but the church i've just left uses Neil Anderson's approach - Steps to Freedom etc. (This wasn't the reason i left!)

I loved Neil Anderson's approach! That was awesome and I use it a lot when I minister to those who are hurting Christians and have injured emotions.

 

[NewSong]

I studied under Ed Smith - founder of Theophostic, ministered to others with it, and had ministry done to me for 3.5 years and I can say it is not of God. I ended up having generalized anxiety attack and started researching it out and found it the new agers have done this for years.

To call Jesus into your memory is not of God. It is a form of visualization that ends up doing this biologically. Such as your cerebral cortex gets blocked that is your discernmetn for reality and the penial gland is opened up that is kind of like a doorway to the second heavens.

The only difference between this and what the new agers do is they call in angels and your spirit guides into your memory. If you were a christian and you went to a new age theta healer, then they would also call your Jesus into your memory but you are not getting jesus in yoru memory but spirit guides.

Plus, I studied under Ed Smith and he does not believe in repentance. He believes once you are saved you don't deal with repentance but deal with your lies.

The result what it did for me was that I started having problems in church. when I would hear the truth, I would zone out like a type of hypnotic transe. Anyway, went through deliverance and man what an ordeal to get free but did get free.

When someone told me it was wrong, I argued with them and had to study and research it out and did for six months. I went to those I ministered too that believed it was doing great things for them afterward but they also had anxiety attacks with no reason. Why, because the memory is blocked.

I hope this helps and I know I'm stepping on toes. I went for 3.5 years believing Theophostics and did not connect the dots. Later I did. It is a type of occultic practice that is sweeping the church. Again, I know I'm stepping on toes and I'm just sharing my heart becuase of my findings out of research as well as personal experience. I was deceived back then.

That is outrageous! I guess I would have a problem with this too, if I found this to be the case! Thank you for sharing your personal experience.

 

[NewSong]

In my experience dredging up past hurts to try and deal with them just makes the person hurt once again. If you have an old wound then why keep opening it?
Instead apply soothing balm and the scar will disappear:

2 Cor 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!

The old man has gone and I dont know where to find him! Someone with a ministry please help me to get the old man back so I can deliver him

How do you move on Lismore if you don't deal with them? Can't go forward until it is deal with, can you?

 

[NewSong]

As I said before, I believe this area of ministry has been greatly over-looked within the body of Christ. What might not have been clear is that I'm not speaking of "inner healing" ministries in particular being needed, but rather ministries that focus on the renewing of the mind.

I am currently studying through Thom Gardner's "Healing the Wounded Heart" which is another of the "inner healing" programs very much along the lines of Theophostic. While Gardner's includes the Holy Spirit much more than Theophostic, ultimately it is still very flesh centered. However, his ministry has some very good and useful tools, and the connection between past hurts and un-Christlike behaviours in the Christian is spot on in my opinion.

Ultimately though, both of these ministries are severely over-complicated with far to many hoops to jump through for something God has already promised to do Himself. Namely, our sanctification.

Awesome!

 

[TheMatmanReturns]

This gives me a red flag:

Advartising language being used to describe a ministry or a way of praying is a clear clear violation of what it is.
Formulai, especially formulai for sale, is false.

However from further reading on the website it does seem open to reasonable criticism and is not particularly "selling" anything for money, besides the ussual books and the like.

So I am nuetral, with reservations in the negetive.

Speaking as an attorney, I think that there is a valid reason for the sales pitch.

As long as TPM copyrights their material and restricts the use of and access to the material to those who tender valuable consideration and agree to certain licensing restrictions, TPM can minimize the risk of another group perverting their teaching and running their ministry into the ground.

If TPM put all of their teachings on the website for free, then they would have little, if any, legal control over who uses the TPM method. Thus, a cult or a con artist could run with the idea and use it to do more harm than help.

So just because they are selling the stuff and are using what seems to be a sales pitch to promote it does not necessarily mean they are off base.

 

[TheMatmanReturns]

Speaking as an attorney, I think that there is a valid reason for the sales pitch.

As long as TPM copyrights their material and restricts the use of and access to the material to those who tender valuable consideration and agree to certain licensing restrictions, TPM can minimize the risk of another group perverting their teaching and running their ministry into the ground.

If TPM put all of their teachings on the website for free, then they would have little, if any, legal control over who uses the TPM method. Thus, a cult or a con artist could run with the idea and use it to do more harm than help.

So just because they are selling the stuff and are using what seems to be a sales pitch to promote it does not necessarily mean they are off base.

By the way, I have no opinion as to whether this particular ministry is of God. I am simply saying that a sales pitch, in itself, is not proof that the ministry is bad.

 

[Dave01]

Speaking as an attorney, I think that there is a valid reason for the sales pitch.

As long as TPM copyrights their material and restricts the use of and access to the material to those who tender valuable consideration and agree to certain licensing restrictions, TPM can minimize the risk of another group perverting their teaching and running their ministry into the ground.

If TPM put all of their teachings on the website for free, then they would have little, if any, legal control over who uses the TPM method. Thus, a cult or a con artist could run with the idea and use it to do more harm than help.

So just because they are selling the stuff and are using what seems to be a sales pitch to promote it does not necessarily mean they are off base.

Your Honor, I object!

 

[Dynaric]

Newsong: How do you move on Lismore if you don't deal with them? Can't go forward until it is deal with, can you?

In my personal experience the only thing I am required to do in dealing with it is to hand it over to God and not to pick it back up... most of the time when we try to deal with something we are attempting to do so with our own strength, ability and knowledge... something I am not strong enough for, capable enough to do, or smart enough to accomplish...

Do you have to deal with all your issues before excepting Christ? Does He require us to already be clean before we come to Him? I tried to deal with my hurts and pains and those experiences that wounded me... Digging up a corpse not something I need to do. 1st key in giving these hurts and pains over to the Lord is to forgive those who caused the problem (sometimes that is ourselves) not relive the past. Hind sight is nearly always 20/20, we can get caught in a undertoe of would'a should'a could'a's by dealing with this stuff and play directly into the enemies devices. Give it wholely and willingly to God and let Him deal with it...

Dynaric, someone who spent far to many years dealing with the things from my past, instead of handing it over once and for all...