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Theistic Evolution

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rmwilliamsll said:
do you have examples of this 'deprogramming' i can read?

Sure, but I already posted an excellent example in your Hitler thread.

Here I will post it again, it's from a deprogrammed TE with a great testimony who has been extremely invaluable deprogramming other Christians:

HamletsChoice said:
May I suggest "Man: Ape or Image?," "Reasonable Christianity" and "Green Eye of the Storm" all by Dr T. John Rendle-Short. Dr T. John Rendle-Short, or ‘Prof’ as he is affectionately known by many, was Foundation Professor and Head of the Department of Child Health in the University of Queensland, Brisbane, a post he held for 24 years.

Though he has not actively taught for some years, his influence is still felt by this generation of medical students. His book A Synopsis of Children’s Diseases is still being used as a pediatric textbook at the University of Queensland Medical School at the time of writing.

His academic and clinical prowess earned for him the distinguished status of Professor Emeritus, which means he is, in effect, ‘Professor for Life’ of the University.

Prof had the inestimable advantage of being born into a Christian family with a long evangelical tradition. His father, Arthur Rendle Short (his father’s name was spelt without the hyphen), became professor of surgery in the University of Bristol, England. As well as impeccable surgical qualifications, he had the rare distinction of having degrees (high distinctions, with gold medals, from the University of London) in physiology and geology. Besides medical books, he wrote many books on Christian apologetics, with a special interest in creation and evolution. He was much in demand as a speaker in Brethren and InterVarsity Fellowship circles.


Of his father’s writings which promote theistic evolution, Prof says,
‘It must be understood that in England in the first decades of the 20th century, Darwin was triumphant. No thinking person seriously contemplated six-day creation or that the Flood really covered more than the then known world.’​
It is little surprise therefore that John Rendle-Short himself was a theistic evolutionist for more than 40 years. He says,
‘I have every sympathy with those Christians of a past generation who felt compelled to try to find a way to cope with evolution. For them, there seemed to be very little choice—all the science they were told of pointed to evolution—the alleged long age of the earth, Piltdown man, and so on.’​
From personal notes of his father’s which turned up years later, Prof discovered that the elder Rendle Short’s peace with evolutionary theory was always an uneasy one. The Fall in particular was an agonizing ‘impasse’ for him. Prof asks,
‘How could the Fall of man have brought sin and death into the world, if the fossils were showing a creation ‘groaning’ for millions of years before man? How could man be both a rising ape and a fallen image? These were agonizing questions for my father.’​
It was a great encouragement to Prof to discover strong indications from his father’s private notes that as time went on, Arthur Rendle Short increasingly shifted toward belief in a six-day recent creation, although he made no written comment about the extent of the Flood.

Sadly, Piltdown man, a cleverly conceived hoax which seemed to have been a powerful influencing factor in Arthur Rendle Short’s acceptance of evolution, was only revealed as a fraud in December 1953, some two months after Prof’s father died.

For Prof himself, educated at Cambridge and brought up with his father’s writings, theistic evolution (or its variant, progressive creationism) was the natural direction for him to take. His odyssey to being chairman of one of the most effective creation science outreach ministries in the world was overseen by the Lord’s hand in countless ways, both large and small.

An encounter with the late Prof. Dr Arthur Wilder-Smith on a bus in Toronto was the starting point. Prof says,
‘Here was a man who had three earned science doctorates, who was a convinced believer in the literal truth of Genesis. When he told me this, I was flabbergasted.’​
After many years wandering in the ‘wilderness’ of theistic evolution, Prof found it a great joy to be part of a ministry strengthening the Genesis foundations of Christianity. He was particularly thrilled at being instrumental in establishing Creation Science Foundation (UK) in his beloved mother country.​


Prof. Rendle-Short is acutely aware of the harm done to Christianity by evolutionary compromises. Some years ago he met a pastor who, on finding that Prof was now a ‘full on’ creationist, reacted strongly. He said that many years ago, he had heard Prof espouse theistic evolution. This had started this pastor on a downhill road which, he exclaimed, ‘nearly destroyed my faith.’

The Rendle-Short name is well known to publishers of both medical and Christian works. For example, one medical publishing house has now had something written by either Prof or his father in print continuously for over 80 years!

Source: http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i2/creation.asp
 
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HamletsChoice said:
Sure, but I already posted an excellent example in your Hitler thread.

Here I will post it again, it's from a deprogrammed TE with a great testimony who has been extremely invaluable deprogramming other Christians:

i was hoping for a website with essays like:
http://home.entouch.net/dmd/gstory.htm

i don't need to buy more books at this time, thanks.
 
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Rick Otto said:
Everyone ALWAYS needs to buy more books!LOL

And Ham, Careful not to take a tone with short attentions spans, please. You forget it's the stuff great apostacies are made of.rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr;)

i know, but i haven't worked in over 6 years and the money is going going gone. i need to be a bit more careful with my book buying. it is already our biggest family bill. ouch.
 
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I don't exactly know for sure how to explin it, but verytime I get bogged down in the details, I stop lookin' at trees & consider the whole forest.
The "survival of the fittest" necesarily implies the extinction of the weak, & that (our weakness) is the place where Jesus is strongest for us.
2Co 12:9 -And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
So, for operating principles I look to scripture like this:Ro 8:28 - And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. I've read too much dirty laundry on the "Evolution Industrial Complex" (lol) to respect it any more than shallow(unstudied) blind loyalty from professing Christians.The "objectivity of science" tries to blind us to complexities like research funding sources & attendant conflicts of interest.

I'm YEC by default. It's what appears on screen everytime I reboot. I don't always like it, but it's what I am.
 
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Rick Otto said:
I don't exactly know for sure how to explin it, but verytime I get bogged down in the details, I stop lookin' at trees & consider the whole forest.
The "survival of the fittest" necesarily implies the extinction of the weak, & that (our weakness) is the place where Jesus is strongest for us.
2Co 12:9 -And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
So, for operating principles I look to scripture like this:Ro 8:28 - And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. I've read too much dirty laundry on the "Evolution Industrial Complex" (lol) to respect it any more than shallow(unstudied) blind loyalty from professing Christians.The "objectivity of science" tries to blind us to complexities like research funding sources & attendant conflicts of interest.

I'm YEC by default. It's what appears on screen everytime I reboot. I don't always like it, but it's what I am.

Good points. I'm a YEC because of Genesis.
 
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Let's start with first reason listed in my original post with why Theistic Evolution is wrong:

1. Theistic evolution is wrong because there is no theistic statement which shows it to be true.


God never said He used evolution to create. In fact, he said just the opposite. God could have accomplished the origin of life in any way He chose, by evolution or by creation, but an admission that there is a God and that He made such an accomplishment in any way, means that we are totally dependent upon His revelation to determine which way. His revelation declares creation, not evolution.​


The texts of the Bible (Genesis 1-2; Exodus 20:11; Exodus 31:17, et al.) plainly teach fiat creation and do not even hint of any kind of evolutionary process. God said He used creation; that settles it!​
 
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