Theistic Evolution

[BlueSubmarine]

Not to insult anyone's beliefs, but I think believing in the account of creation presented in Genesis is insane. There is no real scientific proof that any of this happened. I believe the universe was created by God through the big bang and evolution. Science supports this theory. I am aware that many out there are going to be screaming at me for posting this, throwing out inaccurate "Creation Science" and demanding evidence for the theory of evolution. Well, read a modern biology book. Some claim that "theistic evolution" is an oxymoron, but I say it is a rational explaination of our creation.

 

[paulewog]

That's your opinion, and many opinions.

However, science has been trying, and still is, to prove it's evolutional theories through finding missing links, yet it hasn't. One proof of it's NOT finding missing links is the huge explosion of articles and haha-told-you-so's whenever they find a new supposed missing link hehe

As to creation being insane, I actually find it much insaner to think that this whole orderly universe, vast universe (so vast that we get a tiny glimmer and find out we're actually NOT so terribly smart as we think we are) came about by chance.

 

[TheBear]

Welcome aboard, BlueSubmarine.

I understand and agree with what you are saying. Personally though, I would not have said it quite as you did. Remember, good science stands on it's own, without the need to attack another position.

And, you will be much better recieved, if you don't start out in attack mode.

I am a Christian who sees absolutely no conflict with God creating through an evolutionary process.

Hope you enjoy your stay here.

John

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Well BlueSubmarine, despite the screaming of the creationists, there are many Christians out there that agree with you. I am one of them, a former creationist that actualy bothered to read material outside of the creationist books and learned how bad the creationist arguments really were and still are.

Paulewog...

Isn't it interesting how science finds new evidence every day yet creationists have yet to supply any?

 

[TheBear]

Isn't it interesting how science finds new evidence every day yet creationists have yet to supply any?

True, that.

 

[paulewog]

Isn't it interesting how science finds new evidence every day yet creationists have yet to supply any?

It's interesting how much of it gets thrown down.

We do have "proof." Just, I don't think anyone would listen to us, since no one wants to beleive in Creation at all. Believe me, we've tried

But things can be hushed up pretty quickly.

I could mention some things, but you'd probably toss them aside in some way. One I've never had an answer for is "moon dust."

And yes, they come up with new evidence, but it's so weird how much of it eventually gets forgotten... all the supposed missing links that were found out nto to be, so nobody EVER mentions them anymore, even though they were firmly believed to be missing links

And evolution just doesn't fit well with the Bible... hehe

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Originally posted by paulewog
It's interesting how much of it gets thrown down.

Oh, really? Like what? I do recall a few hoaxes creationists like to bandy about (Piltdown Man, Nebraska Man, Archaeoraptor), but I can't think of any others.

Partially I blame the media for all lot of this "perception" that evidence is being constantly overturned. The media will typically jump on any scientific "breakthrough", even before the discovery has been properly evaluated (cold fusion, anyone?).

I could mention some things, but you'd probably toss them aside in some way. One I've never had an answer for is "moon dust."

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1372.asp

I'm surprised this one's still around (creationists should really pay more attention to their own literature).

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

Originally posted by paulewog
And evolution just doesn't fit well with the Bible... hehe

And finally we get to the real reason people are so enthusiastic about Creationism, a perceived conflict with the Bible.

 

[TheBear]

Originally posted by paulewog
It's interesting how much of it gets thrown down.

We do have "proof." Just, I don't think anyone would listen to us, since no one wants to beleive in Creation at all. Believe me, we've tried

Paul, I just wanted you to know that there are untold hundreds, and perhaps thousands of new ideas and hypothesis that get torn apart and rejected by the scientific community each and every year. Only a tiny fraction of these have anything to do with a religious perspective. What I am saying is, the overwhelming majority of the rejected ideas, have absolutely nothing to do with creationist or religious beliefs. All findings and interpretations have to go through a rigorous obstacle course. Most don't make the grade.

But things can be hushed up pretty quickly.

Listen to yourself, Paul. It sounds like a bad case of sour grapes. Read that last paragraph again. I hope I was able to clarify things for you.

One I've never had an answer for is "moon dust."

Give me a minute. I'll address this.

And evolution just doesn't fit well with the Bible... hehe

No....Evolution does not fit well with your specific interpretation of the Bible.

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Originally posted by paulewog
It's interesting how much of it gets thrown down.

We do have "proof." Just, I don't think anyone would listen to us, since no one wants to beleive in Creation at all. Believe me, we've tried

Since when did science ever say that anything was ever 100% proven? Science says that some things and ideas are more likely, but never 100% proven.

Why you ask? Well Prove to me that you exist... You cannot prove that at all. If you can even prove you exist you can't prove anything 100%.

But things can be hushed up pretty quickly.

Yes they do, by retractions in journals. As far as things being hushed up in the regular media, well let's face it, science is boring for the masses compared to some nutcase shooting people. So the media just moves on. Try reading some real scientific journals instead of the paper or magazines some time.

And never blame on conspiracy what can be attributed to stupidity, you'll be wrong every time.

I could mention some things, but you'd probably toss them aside in some way. One I've never had an answer for is "moon dust."

The "Moon Dust" argument???? Man that was shot down before it was ever used. AIG and most of the more "respectable" creationist groups have given up on this one, the only two people that use it currently that I know of are Jack Chick and Hovind.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1372.asp

Also...

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/tj/moondust(v7n1)/moondust.asp

There you go, a creationist site even demolishes the argument, sadly it took them until 1993 to figure out what Nasa figgured out in the late 1960's.

And yes, they come up with new evidence, but it's so weird how much of it eventually gets forgotten... all the supposed missing links that were found out nto to be, so nobody EVER mentions them anymore, even though they were firmly believed to be missing links

That is because, unlike some creationist groups, when something is proven false they go on to find a better explanation. Why keep saying something is this way when you found out it wasn't? Now if only creationists would do this more, I wouldn't mind creationism as much if it was atleast a little more honest and up to date on the issues.

And evolution just doesn't fit well with the Bible... hehe

No, evolution does not fit in with a strict literalist reading of the Bible, but then again neither does round earth theory and earth-is-not-the-center-of-the-universe theory, and germ theory and the North and South American continents.....

 

[BlueSubmarine]

Wow! This many people resonding so quickly ! It would have taken days for this to happen at the other forum I visit regularly.  And there are people here who agree with me ! I think I'm going to like it here. Many of my posts will come from stuff I've written in my other webstie, and my opinion of "theistic evolution" is just one that I picked to start with, so it's not that I'm meaning to start in "attack mode."

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

Originally posted by BlueSubmarine
Wow! This many people resonding so quickly ! It would have taken days for this to happen at the other forum I visit regularly.  And there are people here who agree with me ! I think I'm going to like it here. Many of my posts will come from stuff I've written in my other webstie, and my opinion of "theistic evolution" is just one that I picked to start with, so it's not that I'm meaning to start in "attack mode."

Welcome to the board. As you've noticed, Christian Forums is very active and accepts people with all viewpoints.

 

[lithium.]

Hi BlueSubmarine,
yes Welcome to the board.

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Originally posted by BlueSubmarine
Wow! This many people resonding so quickly ! It would have taken days for this to happen at the other forum I visit regularly.  And there are people here who agree with me ! I think I'm going to like it here. Many of my posts will come from stuff I've written in my other webstie, and my opinion of "theistic evolution" is just one that I picked to start with, so it's not that I'm meaning to start in "attack mode."

Well,on this board, aside from General Appologetics this is the most active forum. I look forward to seeing your ideas, though I may not agree with any/all of them.

One warning though, some of the discusions can get quite heated. So please have lots of patience and a thick skin.

 

[Gerry]

I resent being called insane for believing any part of God's Written Word.
One consolation for those of us who believe in the Genesis account is that we obviously do not have the market on insanity cornered.

 

[Didaskomenos]

I don't build a house of cards on my ability to interpret the words of Scripture. I exercise faith in God based on a number of things - but a literal interpretation of Genesis is not one of them.

 

[Hector Medina]

If you believe in Theistic Evolution then you got a pretty lousy God.......

My God did it right the 1st time and did not have to have every thing go through ridiculous stages of change over millions of years call "evolution"!

Did you know that there is no conflict between the Bible and science?

The conflict is between the Bible and Evolution,which is not part of science it is a religion!

The only part of evolution that is scientific is micro-evolution(it has been observed),which is really just variation like amimals adapting to thier enviorment,breeds of cats and dogs,etc.....

Everything we dig up from the ground did indeed exist(like Dinosaurs) along with Adam and Eve in the garden of eden up to 6000 yrs ago.

Much of Evolution is lies and propaganda in the schools' textbooks.

For information on upholding all the vresus bible from Genesis:1 go to:

www.answersingenesis.org

For information on fightning evolution go to:

www.drdino.com

Yes Dr. Hovinds PHD is vocational,and other creationists disagree with him(as all crationsts are diffrent and in conflict) but that dosen't matter once you get into his rescearch what matters is deciding for your self!

Be wary of the contradiction this post will receive.


In Christ,

Hector

 

[Didaskomenos]

Be wary of the contradiction this post will receive.

LOL! "Don't let the fact that people debunk what I say deter you from believing me."

 

[lithium.]

The conflict is between the Bible and Evolution,which is not part of science it is a religion!

Where do you get that it's a religion. Evolution is a theory all theories are science. No one worships Evolution.

 

[MSBS]

I think that was Hector's best post yet. I'm gunna give him some blessings!