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Previous Quote 2Pillars: The History of Human Civilization began in the Cradle of Civilization, in Mesopatamia. From there came math, writing, commerce, technology, etc. All of the things which we call Human Civilization, Today.grmorton said:Not true. THere is much evidence of civilization long prior to Mesopotamia. Try Catal Huyuk in Turkey.
Yeah. I'm incahoots with the dark side. Thats gotta be the reason.2Pillars said:Dear versastyle,
Did it occur to you that Scripture was even showing us how a "surgical procedure" (simile) should be done (Book of Genesis), even before science discovered the pain killers you are talking about? That's is of course based upon one's spiritual understanding.
Perhaps, Vance could not comprehend the fact that Adams' direct lineage have the knowledge of good and evil and were mighty men -- while the so called "pre-historic beings called by our scientist were not.Vance said:Ah, so you pick a date, say all people after than date are "humans" and all people before that date, even though they have identical bodies, and show a clear progression of cultural development right up to the people after your dividing line (ie, no noticeable gap or break, just a flowing of one into the other), are something OTHER than humans?
herev said:so what planet was Noah from?
I am not sure why I am bothering, but what is the evidence for your belief that pre-historic "beings" were not human, and had no knowledge of good and evil? I mean, really, the evidence, not just a restatement of your theory. And not even just the Bible verses that you think support this theory, but the actual evidence that all the hunter/gatherer societies which lived before 10,000 years ago were not human.2Pillars said:Perhaps, Vance could not comprehend the fact that Adams' direct lineage have the knowledge of good and evil and were mighty men -- while the so called "pre-historic beings called by our scientist were not.
Must be a full moon or something. In another forum that I frequent, I agreed with an evolutionist todayherev said:Mike, I always knew you and I would whole-heartedly agree on something--I'm speechless, too
That's the point, Vance. There was NO agriculture nor any other signs of Human Intelligence anywhere else in the Whole Earth. If Mindless Nature could produce Human Intelligence, it would have done so MILLIONS of years BEFORE Noah arrived.Vance said:I am not sure why I am bothering, but what is the evidence for your belief that pre-historic "beings" were not human, and had no knowledge of good and evil? I mean, really, the evidence, not just a restatement of your theory. And not even just the Bible verses that you think support this theory, but the actual evidence that all the hunter/gatherer societies which lived before 10,000 years ago were not human.
I realize that what I post is controversial, but I also realize that it agrees not only with Scripture, but also with TRUE Science, and History. I do not write the things I write to cause others, problems, but I write to cause others to read and study Scripture, and to see that God's Word is the Truth in every way.mhess13 said:Must be a full moon or something. In another forum that I frequent, I agreed with an evolutionist today
No, I rarely confuse mere human beings with some sort of pre-Adamic creation. There is absolutely no break between civilizations of the times I speak and Mesopotamian civilization.2Pillars said:Previous Quote 2Pillars: The History of Human Civilization began in the Cradle of Civilization, in Mesopatamia. From there came math, writing, commerce, technology, etc. All of the things which we call Human Civilization, Today.
Dear grmorton,
Perhaps, what you're confuse about are the discoveries of the remains of the so called "pre-historic beings" by our scientist, but, called "sons of God" by the Lord (Gen. 6).
Would that be the case?
God Bless
God Bless
Precisely what characteristics would you associate with humans that are not associated with these 'pre-historic beings'? As has been pointed out, they look like us, they make cities like us. How do you tell them apart from us? Are some of them living amongst us today?2Pillars said:Perhaps, Vance could not comprehend the fact that Adams' direct lineage have the knowledge of good and evil and were mighty men -- while the so called "pre-historic beings called by our scientist were not.
2Pillars said:That's the point, Vance. There was NO agriculture nor any other signs of Human Intelligence anywhere else in the Whole Earth. If Mindless Nature could produce Human Intelligence, it would have done so MILLIONS of years BEFORE Noah arrived.
Just as happened on the 1st Earth, agriculture and city building were the first signs of Human Intelligence. NO Evolution was necessary except descent with modification, or MicroEvolution.
Mankind changed from prehistoric to Human just AFTER Noah arrived on this Planet. Civilization was born just South of the Mountains of Ararat, exactly as God told us.
Are you ready to admit your TE's doctrinal errors?
grmorton said:Precisely what characteristics would you associate with humans that are not associated with these 'pre-historic beings'? As has been pointed out, they look like us, they make cities like us. How do you tell them apart from us? Are some of them living amongst us today?
Dear grmorton,2Pillars said:The History of Human Civilization began in the Cradle of Civilization, in Mesopatamia. From there came math, writing, commerce, technology, etc. All of the things which we call Human Civilization, Today.
Before I go to any trouble, I want you to provide a clear and concise definition of what you mean by civilization so that I can see what isn't there.2Pillars said:Dear grmorton,
Go to Mesopotamia [Article] - World Book Online Americas Edition or any other Encyclopedia, and you will find that the first Human Civilization, is found in Mesopatamia, EXACTLY as described in Scripture.
Failure to show an Earlier Human Civilization will be the test. Either show us another, according to History, or we must accept History, which shows that God knew exactly what He wrote.
When you accept the Historical evidence, you will go exactly opposite of the Religion of the Evolution of Human Intelligence. Science should quit fighting History, in it's attempt to establish it's False Religion.
We inherited our Human Intelligence from the descendants of Noah, who built the FIRST Human cities and Civilizations on this Planet.
God Bless
Dear grmorton,grmorton said:Before I go to any trouble, I want you to provide a clear and concise definition of what you mean by civilization so that I can see what isn't there.
2Pillars said:The History of Human Civilization began in the Cradle of Civilization, in Mesopatamia. From there came math, writing, commerce, technology, etc. All of the things which we call Human Civilization, Today.
from: http://www.archaeology.org/online/news/rice.htmlEarliest Rice June 11, 1997
by Spencer P.M. Harrington
Rice cultivation began in China ca. 11,500 years ago, some 3,500 years earlier than previously believed, according to Chinese and Japanese archaeologists who studied 125 samples of rice grains, husks, plant remains, and grain impressions in pottery excavated from more than 100 sites along the Yangtze River. The oldest specimens were from sites on the middle Yangtze in Hubei and Hunan provinces, while samples from both upstream and downstream were dated between 10,000 and 4,000 years ago. Syuichi Toyama, an environmental archaeologist at Japan's Kogakukan University, says the evidence suggests rice cultivation began in the middle Yangtze and spread from there.
The new dates also show that rice cultivation preceded millet farming in northern China, which began 7,500 to 7,200 years ago, and may even predate 10,000-year-old evidence of barley cultivation from Netiv Hagdud in Israel. Bruce Smith of the Smithsonian Institution advises caution on the Yangtze rice dates, however, since no morphological studies have been done to determine whether the grain was domesticated. Such rice, he says, has larger seeds than wild varieties and a stronger rachis, or spine, for holding the grains.
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