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Their essence, "spirit beings", or what they are, a kind or type of energy being, built all us bio-electrochemical "machines", all life, and every kind of flesh, that is like machines to them, and can manipulate and control it, along with all or anything made of matter and material, and can manipulate, control, or manifest it, quite literally, "out of nothing", if and whenever they wish, as God, the Father permits them too...

And this is, I believe, their technology, they may have ships or bodies, or transportation vessels made of substance linked to this kind of technology...

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"They" can't do anything ex nihilo.

Only God has that kind of power.

If "they" are anything, "they" are fallen angels.
I said, not without God's permitting it, or did you miss that part... They (fallen or not) carry out God's plans... aware of it (unfallen, holy) or not (fallen, unholy)...

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I said, not without God's permitting it, or did you miss that part...
No, sir, I didn't.

But God can give them all the permission He wants.

If they can't do it, they can't do it.

What God is going to have to do is give them the permission and the power to do it.

And I somehow don't think that's gonna happen.

Matthew 6:13b For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
 
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No, sir, I didn't.

But God can give them all the permission He wants.

If they can't do it, they can't do it.

What God is going to have to do is give them the permission and the power to do it.

And I somehow don't think that's gonna happen.

Matthew 6:13b For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
But, that is precisely what he (God) does do...? But, nothing can happen outside his will or permitting it, or giving or granting it, but he works through angels with us, always has, always will... It's his way...

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But, that is precisely what he (God) does do...? But, nothing can happen outside his will or permitting it, or giving or granting it, but he works through angels with us, always has, always will... It's his way...

God Bless!
Are you telling me that in the beginning, God gave angels the power to create the earth ex nihilo?

And your OP states that they created us ex nihilo, and the Bible has us being created ex materia by "God speaking," not angels speaking.
 
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Are you telling me that in the beginning, God gave angels the power to create the earth ex nihilo?

And your OP states that they created us ex nihilo, and the Bible has us being created ex materia by "God speaking," not angels speaking.
It is not known and does not say when the angels were created, but it can be assumed that it was before anything else was, but not before God the Father, Son, or Holy Ghost (spirit)...

When God the Son spoke, and agent of the Holy Spirit, another holy angel, that operated like a part of God's body, moved and made it so, before their was disobedience, at that time, each angel operated as an extension of God the Son (the Godhead) at that time, before their was disobedience that is, then things became disconcordant and unharmonious, then God, had to say no sometimes, before that, he did not need, or have too...

God Bless!
 
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The technology aspect of it...
Yes! I understand. There definitely has been interference in human history by creatures referred to as the sons of God which some identify as rebel angels and others as aliens. So their role in the development of human technology is justifiably suspect. Especially in the invention of such weapons as nuclear bombs. In fact, there are apocryphal writings indicating that such entities were responsible for refining man's ability to carry out warfare employing the crude weapons at hand at the outset.
 
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Angels are very intelligent. They watched creation, and those who are more intelligent learned more about nature than others. As fallen angels, they could have shared this knowledge with humans who allowed themselves to be possessed by them, but in ways to mislead the humans into servitude and destruction. This is what I believe happened.

What humans under their influence is not made ex nihilo, but is manipulated from current material existence by repurposing, just as we do our technology. The technology can be traced through human historical sources. The angelic input is mentioned in Bible commentaries and in some historical sources.

If we can find ancient writings that suggest technology for which unused patents currently exist within our own science, the purpose of such a thread will be served.
 
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Angels are very intelligent. They watched creation, and those who are more intelligent learned more about nature than others. As fallen angels, they could have shared this knowledge with humans who allowed themselves to be possessed by them, but in ways to mislead the humans into servitude and destruction. This is what I believe happened.

What humans under their influence is not made ex nihilo, but is manipulated from current material existence by repurposing, just as we do our technology. The technology can be traced through human historical sources. The angelic input is mentioned in Bible commentaries and in some historical sources.

If we can find ancient writings that suggest technology for which unused patents currently exist within our own science, the purpose of such a thread will be served.
The angelic input in reference to technology is mentioned in historical sources?
 
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The angelic input in reference to technology is mentioned in historical sources?
Yes and no. It takes a little bit of guesswork to be sure how the word "angel" got translated into other languages. Once you prove that it cannot be "aliens", you can just follow the list of cross references generated by the ancient alien folks.

Read 125-292 of Metamorphoses (ancient Greece), for example, and note that although we were taught to read this as symbolic, that technology is implied by much of the phrasing. Metamorphoses (Kline) 1, the Ovid Collection, Univ. of Virginia E-Text Center This technology is made by the "gods", a perfectly good pagan word for fallen angels.

The Book of Enoch, by the way, puts the sin of the flood into a technological category: The Book of Enoch, Section II ch. 65, vs. 8 mentions technological research specifically, as led by the fallen angels.

You can follow the derivation of the word "mes-nuti" in Egyptian, and see how it goes from meaning "children of the watchers" to "manufactured giants". Legends of the Gods, The Egyptian Texts: Introduction: Summary: IV: The Legend of Heru-Behutet and the Winged Disk page xli, then consult an Egyptian dictionary, where mes-nuti=children of the shepherds, which was the watchers first assignment, those who had not fallen.

Read the "Famine Stele" and note especially that the god Khnemu must do a computation (vs. 7) before he makes the rain come and the technology implications in verse 9. Legends of the Gods, The Egyptian Texts: Legends of Egyptian Gods: A Legend of the God Khnemu and of a Seven Years' Famine Rainmaking is assumed by the Oxford University translators of Enmerkar and the lord of Aratta: translation at line 12. By the way, the Egyptian Khnemu-neter, shows up in Hebrew as chnama-el, where Ps. 78:47 says he destroyed the sycomore trees, and so is usually translated "hail". And thus is the trail that leads me to believe that all cultures believed that rainmaking technology was from the gods.

Most people reject any Hebrew references, but we must consider (since they are ancient) the shamir SHAMIR - JewishEncyclopedia.com , the urim and thummim (thummim produced by Khnemu, "temi" vs. 16 by the way) and one has now been found BIN EXCLUSIVE: Prophetic Lost Stone From High Priest’s Breastplate Believed Found After 1,000-Year Journey , since both Joesphus and the Dead Sea scrolls say it was technology. Josephus, Antiquities Book III at 8:9 and Dead Sea Scrolls - Tongues of Fire (1Q29, 4Q376)

Or compare Dendera Crypt 1C (I hate to use a non-scholarly site, but it is the best picture. I have the entire Chaussinaut original that I work from: Ancient Electricity - The Enigma at Dendera ) with the weapons held in the hands of the Atlantean Gods, from Tula, Mexico The Gigantic Atlantean Statues of the Toltecs - Mexico Unexplained last picture on the page. Forget vonDaniken's theory (mentioned there). If you turn out the lights on the Egyptian, and look at the base only, they are the same. They are also named the same. Xiucoatl is an exact translation of the Egyptian nekh-ba, meaning "Fire serpent". Then, recall the currently unexplained technological question as to how Pharoah's magicians duplicated God's trick with Aaron's staff in Ex. 7:11. By the way, the "serpents" in this passage are not the usual word (hekh-ba=Hebrew nachash), but instead tannin, and this is the second time we meet this word in Scripture, where it was translated first as "great whale" in Gen. 1:21. That should be enough to prove that we can equate this technology with something that came from God in some way.
 
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The prior contents of this thread demonstrate, with painful clarity, why it presumptuous to claim that human beings are intelligent.
You do realize that if we assume human beings are not intelligent, then you are not intelligent, so yours is not an intelligent post?

Also, of course, neither is this response. But then again, maybe we are all here only to increase our presumptiousness?

You have an excellent point (or else it would not be worth my time to respond). History is always relative to the desires of the person telling it.
 
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Yes and no. It takes a little bit of guesswork to be sure how the word "angel" got translated into other languages. Once you prove that it cannot be "aliens", you can just follow the list of cross references generated by the ancient alien folks.

Read 125-292 of Metamorphoses (ancient Greece), for example, and note that although we were taught to read this as symbolic, that technology is implied by much of the phrasing. Metamorphoses (Kline) 1, the Ovid Collection, Univ. of Virginia E-Text Center This technology is made by the "gods", a perfectly good pagan word for fallen angels.

The Book of Enoch, by the way, puts the sin of the flood into a technological category: The Book of Enoch, Section II ch. 65, vs. 8 mentions technological research specifically, as led by the fallen angels.

You can follow the derivation of the word "mes-nuti" in Egyptian, and see how it goes from meaning "children of the watchers" to "manufactured giants". Legends of the Gods, The Egyptian Texts: Introduction: Summary: IV: The Legend of Heru-Behutet and the Winged Disk page xli, then consult an Egyptian dictionary, where mes-nuti=children of the shepherds, which was the watchers first assignment, those who had not fallen.

Read the "Famine Stele" and note especially that the god Khnemu must do a computation (vs. 7) before he makes the rain come and the technology implications in verse 9. Legends of the Gods, The Egyptian Texts: Legends of Egyptian Gods: A Legend of the God Khnemu and of a Seven Years' Famine Rainmaking is assumed by the Oxford University translators of Enmerkar and the lord of Aratta: translation at line 12. By the way, the Egyptian Khnemu-neter, shows up in Hebrew as chnama-el, where Ps. 78:47 says he destroyed the sycomore trees, and so is usually translated "hail". And thus is the trail that leads me to believe that all cultures believed that rainmaking technology was from the gods.

Most people reject any Hebrew references, but we must consider (since they are ancient) the shamir SHAMIR - JewishEncyclopedia.com , the urim and thummim (thummim produced by Khnemu, "temi" vs. 16 by the way) and one has now been found BIN EXCLUSIVE: Prophetic Lost Stone From High Priest’s Breastplate Believed Found After 1,000-Year Journey , since both Joesphus and the Dead Sea scrolls say it was technology. Josephus, Antiquities Book III at 8:9 and Dead Sea Scrolls - Tongues of Fire (1Q29, 4Q376)

Or compare Dendera Crypt 1C (I hate to use a non-scholarly site, but it is the best picture. I have the entire Chaussinaut original that I work from: Ancient Electricity - The Enigma at Dendera ) with the weapons held in the hands of the Atlantean Gods, from Tula, Mexico The Gigantic Atlantean Statues of the Toltecs - Mexico Unexplained last picture on the page. Forget vonDaniken's theory (mentioned there). If you turn out the lights on the Egyptian, and look at the base only, they are the same. They are also named the same. Xiucoatl is an exact translation of the Egyptian nekh-ba, meaning "Fire serpent". Then, recall the currently unexplained technological question as to how Pharoah's magicians duplicated God's trick with Aaron's staff in Ex. 7:11. By the way, the "serpents" in this passage are not the usual word (hekh-ba=Hebrew nachash), but instead tannin, and this is the second time we meet this word in Scripture, where it was translated first as "great whale" in Gen. 1:21. That should be enough to prove that we can equate this technology with something that came from God in some way.
One thing that bothers me whenever I read the account of Enoch is that he keeps referring to God as the Lord of Spirits. That phrase isn't found in the Bible and has a certain negative connotation to it. On the other hand I am impressed by the references to the Son of Man and other messianic information that is definitely recognizable in both the new and old testaments. For example the fire emanating from God's throne and the myriads who attend to him. The other links I will need to get to later but I appreciate you talking the time to post them. Seems as if you have delved very deeply into this subject.

BTW
Yes, I am familiar with the parts of the Apocrypha which describe the rebel angelic experimental genetic tampering with nature and resultant creation of chimeras. In fact, some have suggested that the mythological creatures described as a composite of many species are evidence of such tampering. Also, Genesis includes the animals as being fouled just prior to the Flood which indeed might be a reference to that situation.
 
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...What God is going to have to do is give them the permission and the power to do it.

And I somehow don't think that's gonna happen.

Matthew 6:13b For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
People have the power to do things, do they not?
 
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One thing that bothers me whenever I read the account of Enoch is that he keeps referring to God as the Lord of Spirits. That phrase isn't found in the Bible and has a certain negative connotation to it. On the other hand I am impressed by the references to the Son of Man and other messianic information that is definitely recognizable in both the new and old testaments. For example the fire emanating from God's throne and the myriads who attend to him. The other links I will need to get to later but I appreciate you talking the time to post them. Seems as if you have delved very deeply into this subject.

BTW
Yes, I am familiar with the parts of the Apocrypha which describe the rebel angelic experimental genetic tampering with nature and resultant creation of chimeras. In fact, some have suggested that the mythological creatures described as a composite of many species are evidence of such tampering. Also, Genesis includes the animals as being fouled just prior to the Flood which indeed might be a reference to that situation.
Let's remember that when the Library of Alexandria was destroyed, we lost most of the ancient writings, and what we have now is just a small percentage. That's like trying to put together a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle from 20 pieces, and not having the finished picture to go by. Hypothesis: ca 100BC there was a large group of historical scholars in many countries who believed that the flood was a mishap caused by misuse of technology and they had in their possession, or perhaps written many new, books (like the UFO alien cults of today) to "prove" it. This group wrote new books based on these ideas and one of these books was the Book of Enoch, another was Metamorphoses, and some others became additional pseudepigrapha. If we word the hypothesis in this way, we avoid all the issues of what is or is not true because it is inspired, and we read history as what it is is: stories written by people to explain their past. I think parts of Enoch, not all, are inspired, and I think we need to be careful to investigate what we mean by this. Because not all denominations agree on what inspiration means. Is "Lord of spirits" inspired? God certainly is that, but is it His will to be addressed this way? The fire from the throne is certainly the fire that made the tongues of Pentecost, but that does not make it inspired, because Plato's Timeaus discusses how that fire was made, and there is nothing particularly divine about it. The metal mountains are described in Khnemu, but it took me over 20 years to prove it, and cross-reference it to Tesla's patent.

Have you considered using Pliny's natural history as a technological source? He mentions a dinosaur skeleton (so I assume) recovered in in Judea in early Christian times, and taken to Rome to a museum. This 40 foot long creature is called a "son of Neptune", surely proof of a tradition that the gods gave birth to giants. The reference I wrote down is 9:9 but I cannot verify it now.
 
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You do realize that if we assume human beings are not intelligent, then you are not intelligent, so yours is not an intelligent post?
Please select the response you find most pleasing:

1. What makes you think I am a human being.
2. Those of us who know we are not intelligent, are more intelligent than those who do not know this.
3. if I was posting words dictated by an intelligent entity then the post could be intelligent, even if I am not.
4. In winter cascading water leaves tennis players devoid of hope.
 
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Please select the response you find most pleasing:

1. What makes you think I am a human being.
2. Those of us who know we are not intelligent, are more intelligent than those who do not know this.
3. if I was posting words dictated by an intelligent entity then the post could be intelligent, even if I am not.
4. In winter cascading water leaves tennis players devoid of hope.
And you will analyze it to tell me something about myself?
1. Occurred to me, rejected it as internet is too simple for any truly intelligent life to care about.
2. Unlikely, since knowing we are not intelligent being a criterion of intelligence, still requires a definition of intelligence to establish the criterion.
3. True, however, why would this agency choose you, and not all of us?
4. Water never leaves me devoid of hope until it becomes ice that I must play tennis on. (yes, I know it is a haiku)

This is fun. Does it have anything to do with ancient technology?
 
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