TheDispensationsareImaginary

[Terral]

Ebb:

Ebb >> The New Testament basis for the covenant of grace is given in post 35, in the footnotes provided.

No sir. Above is a man’s opinion with no Scriptural support whatsoever. There is no such thing as a ‘Covenant of Grace.’ That is a fallacy built upon a false premise from the very start. We are saved by God’s grace through faith apart from works. Eph. 2:8+9. The fact that eternal life is the gift of God (Rom. 6:23) disqualifies salvation from being according to any covenant. Christ’s work on the cross is a past event, and the Gospel has been revealed to Paul (Gal. 1:11+12) and sent to the nations already for the obedience of faith (Rom. 16:25-27). Members of “His body” (1Cor. 1:24) were introduced to God’s grace the moment we heard (Rom. 10:17) and believed (Eph. 1:13+14) the Gospel. Rom. 5:1+2. We are Abraham’s descendants and heirs according to the promise (Gal. 3:29), and sons of God (Rom. 8:14, 19) even now. Our lives are hidden with Christ in God as we speak. Col. 3:1-3. A ‘covenant’ binds the Covenant Maker to perform in the future. God’s grace has already been given to us through Christ and Calvary. Your phrase “covenant of grace” is meaningless in light of the truth of the gospel.

Ebb >> Yet, the OP has yet to be answered by dispensationalists using two or three New Testament passages.

If you see a ‘dispensationalist,’ then please bring that to everyone’s attention. Those who believe our gospel (1Cor. 15:3+4) of Christ’s shed blood (Eph. 1:7) are members of the ‘body of Christ.’ Eph. 4:12. We are under the stewardship of the Apostle Paul during this ‘dispensation of God’s grace’ (Eph. 3:2), whether Hitch ever sees the truth or not. Please try supporting the statements of post #35 using Scripture. Then we can demonstrate how you are using God’s Word out of context to prop up your theories.

In Christ,

Terral

 

[Ebb]

Ebb:

No sir. Above is a man’s opinion with no Scriptural support whatsoever.

Please try supporting the statements of post #35 using Scripture. Then we can demonstrate how you are using God’s Word out of context to prop up your theories.

The scriptural support was given in post 35. Possibly, you do not know how to access the links/footnotes. Whether you agree with the support given, of course, is another matter, but the supporting scriptures are widely accepted in Reformed churches and were accepted among many of the earlier dispensationalists.

But, the OP was asking for New Testament support for the dispensations, particularly dipsensationalism's 7-dispsensation scheme.

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

So do you believe we are still supposed to do animal sacrifices

I have it on good authorty that it is acceptable, on this forum to say that certain questions reveal a lack of intelligence. As does yours.

hitch this is a legit question do to lacking of knowledge that is see here

 

[Terral]

BrethrenInChrist, Hitch, FreeInChrist

FreeInChrist >> So do you believe we are still supposed to do animal sacrifices.

Hitch >> I have it on good authorty that it is acceptable, on this forum to say that certain questions reveal a lack of intelligence. As does yours.

BrethrenInChrist >> hitch this is a legit question do to lacking of knowledge that is see here.

The original question is flawed from the start. Who is represented by ‘we,’ as in “So do you believe ‘we’ are still supposed to do animal sacrifices? Gentiles have never been under Mosaic Law. Rom. 2:14. Christ said that every part of the Law remains, until heaven and earth pass away. Matt. 5:18. The Law included animal sacrifices before Israel ever had a Temple. However, Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Rom. 10:4. No member of the body of Christ is ever expected to do any animal sacrifices again, whether Jew or Gentile . . . period. The members of the coming Kingdom of Israel shall certainly offer animal sacrifices again, according to Ezekiel.

"On that day the prince shall provide for himself and all the people of the land a bull for a sin offering.” Eze. 45:22.

In Christ,

Terral

 

[thaiv]

Oikonomia verses:

1Ti 1:4 nor to turn their minds to fables and interminable genealogies, which bring questionings rather than further God's dispensation [oikonomia], which is in faith.

Eph 1:10 for the administration [oikonomia] of the fulness of times; to head up all things in the Christ, the things in the heavens and the things upon the earth; in him,

Eph 3:2 (if indeed ye have heard of the administration [oikonomia] of the grace of God which has been given to me towards you,

Eph 3:9 and to enlighten all with the knowledge of what is the administration [oikonomia] of the mystery hidden throughout the ages in God, who has created all things,

1Co 9:17 For if I do this voluntarily, I have a reward; but if not of my own will, I am entrusted with an administration [oikonomia].

Col 1:25 of which *I* became minister, according to the dispensation [oikonomia] of God which is given me towards you to complete the word of God,

 

[Hitch]

. The members of the coming Kingdom of Israel shall certainly offer animal sacrifices again, according to Ezekiel.


LOL

 

[Hitch]

hitch this is a legit question do to lacking of knowledge that is see here

Not sure who is asking what here B.

Suffice to say, there will never be an acceptible animal sacrifice. Nothing may or can be added to the Blood of Christ. That Sacrifice was once and for all, and fulfills all needs regarding the 'sin offerring' which foreshadowed it .


A cursory look at Ezy's book will show that the sacrifices are 'sin offerings' . This proves that DF teachings relagate to work of the Cross to less than perfection, while it also relagates chrisitanity to second class status. Which is also what the enemy has been trying to do for the last two millennia.

H

 

[Driver]

Not sure who is asking what here B.

Suffice to say, there will never be an acceptible animal sacrifice. Nothing may or can be added to the Blood of Christ. That Sacrifice was once and for all, and fulfills all needs regarding the 'sin offerring' which foreshadowed it .


A cursory look at Ezy's book will show that the sacrifices are 'sin offerings' . This proves that DF teachings relagate to work of the Cross to less than perfection, while it also relagates chrisitanity to second class status. Which is also what the enemy has been trying to do for the last two millennia.

H

 

[JerryShugart]

The Dispensations are Imaginary.

If you think not you are invited to prove them from Scripture. Two or three NT passages in support would be effective.

Are we supposed to believe that when Paul spoke of the "dispensation of grace" that it was only a figment of his imagination?

Of course not!

We can see what Paul is speaking of when we compare the times that he used the word "dispensation" in reference to the present dispensation:

"If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me toward you…"(Eph.3:2).

"Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God" (Col.1:25).

"…a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me" (1Cor.9:17).

The "dispensation" that was committed to Paul is in regard to "God’s grace",a "ministry" and a "gospel":

"…the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God" (Acts20:24).

This ministry to preach the gospel of grace may be "imaginary" to some,but not to Paul and those of us who follow Paul.

In His grace,--Jerry
"Dispensationalism Made Easy"

http://gracebeacon.net/studies/shugart-dispensationalism_made_easy.html

 

[linssue55]

If you think not you are invited to prove them from Scripture. Two or three NT passages in support would be effective.

Dispensations.......

Dispensations.....Biblical history of mankind.....

Pre-Deluveon civilization......from Adam and Eve to the flood....Gen. 1-11
adam to Noah......fall, flood, Babel

Post Deluveon civilization.......first half (Promise) Jewish age-Gen.12 thru Ex. 19, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob.....Abrahamic Covenent.....
Second half.....Ex. 19 thru Malachi Gospels (-jn 13-17)....Moses....Law of Moses

The church age....NOW ....grace, Mystery Doctrine (present time).....Acts 2 thru Rev 5 Epistles.....Paul, Peter, John......Giving of Holy Spirit..1 Cor 6:19-20, Matt 3:11, John 14:17, Rom 5:5, Gal 3:2......

Rapture.....in a moment of time 1 Thes 4:13-18...saints with Christ in heaven, ie: the Bride....called up in the air to be with Him......

Trial and tribulation....7 years..Rev 6-19....Anti-Christ......144,000 true believer Jews witnesses..Abomination of Desolation, ie. =Armageddon....2nd Advent Rev 14:11-15.....
First 31/2 yrs. ....Religous Power....Political Power, 1-beast, 2-beast, beast makes false covenent with Israel...Isa 28:15-18........
Second 31/2 yrs. political Power...Man of Sin (Satan) DEMANDS Worship ..2 Thes 2.....Abomination of Desolation--Israel Flees to mountains...matt 24:15-16.......Satan Cast out of Heaven....Rev 12:9.....Battle of Armageddon....the blood will run Bridle deep to horse......

Then Millenium...Christ (Kingdom) Rev 20... Perfect Environment..1000 yrs.
No more wars...no more poor...
At the end of Millenium...Satan is released from H-ell for a short period (months?)...Battle of GOG & Magog

Eternity Begins.....New Heaven and New Earth ....Great White Throne Judgement..... And Eternal H-ell....

Believers in etenity with Christ for Forever......

Un-believers with Satan in H-ell for Forever......

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

Those who believe blood sacrifices will be part of this imaginary millenial kingdom are essentially denying and perverting the Final Sacrifice of Christ, the Lamb of God.