TheDispensationsareImaginary

[Hitch]

If you think not you are invited to prove them from Scripture. Two or three NT passages in support would be effective.

 

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[FreeinChrist]

If you think not you are invited to prove them from Scripture. Two or three NT passages in support would be effective.

So do you think we are still supposed to do animal sacrifices?


When did the Levitical priesthood begin?


If it is explained to you...how would you treat those who did the explaining?

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

Excellent questions, FreeinChrist. All Christians recognize the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament. In fact the word "new" in the New Testament makes for a rather fascinating word study. Jesus brought a "newness" which wasn't restricted to the Mosaic covenant. Here Jesus contrasted the old and the new:

Luke 5:36-38 36 And He was also telling them a parable: "No one tears a piece of cloth from a new garment and puts it on an old garment; otherwise he will both tear the new, and the piece from the new will not match the old. 37 "And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the new wine will burst the skins and it will be spilled out, and the skins will be ruined. 38 "But new wine must be put into fresh wineskins.

Lamorak Des Galis

 

[TheScottsMen]

Age of Liberty - Dispensation of Innocence - Gen. 1:23 - 3:16 Adam - Removal from Garden

Age of Determination - Conscience - Gen. 3:7-8:19 Removal from Garden - Flood

Age of Nations - Human Gov - Gen. 8:20-11:9 Flood - Tower of Babel


Age of Jewish Nation - Promise/Law - Gen. 1:20-Acts 8 Abraham - Saul of Tarsus

Evil Present Age (Mystery) - Grace - Acts 9 - Heb 13 Paul - Rapture (MYSTERY PROGRAM)

Age of Retribution (Tribulation) - Divine Judgement - Jam.1; Rev. 20:15 Christ's Body Removed - 7 years

Ages to Come (Eternity) - Fullness of time - Rev. 21 & 22:7 Great White Throne - On

Now ages have a beginning and an ending. Dispensations are not ages. A dispensation is a dealing out, a responsibility, or a stewardship that can be found within an age. Do you believe that God works with you the way he worked with Adam? Is your stewardship the same as Adams? For instance

In the age Liberty and the dispensation of Innocence God deals out his will.



[size=+1]1. God Deals Out His Will:
God created man in His own image. God dispensed out innocence (Gen. 1:26-27) . Man was placed in a perfect environment.


[size=+1]2. God Gives Man Responsibility
Man was responsible to dress and keep the garden (Gen. 2:15). They were commanded not to take of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Gen. 3:6).


[size=+1]3. Man Fails:
Man failed when Adam and Eve in direct disobedience, ate of the forbidden fruit (Gen. 3:6).
[size=+1]4. Ends In Judgment:
The were expelled from the Garden of Eden. The earth was no longer a perfect environment. Sin, sorrow and death had entered the world because man chose to disobey God. (Gen.3:16-19; Gen. 3:23, 24; Rom.5:12-14).

So does God deal with everyone the same way he dealt with Adam in the dispensation above?

Lets look at the dispensation of Conscience



[size=+1]1. God Deals Out His Will:
As Adam and Eve ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, God dealt out Conscience. They realized they were naked. This shows us that they had come to know [size=-1](conscience or know)[/size] good and evil (Gen. 3:7-10).


[size=+1]2. God Gives Man Responsibility[/size]
Conscience was to govern man. Man now knew the difference between good and evil. God commanded that man was to bring blood sacrifices (Gen. 4:1-4; Heb. 11:4).


[size=+1]3. Man Fails:[/size]
Cain refused to obey God and bring a blood sacrifice. In a jealous rage he killed his brother Abel (Gen. 4:5-15), he further disobey God's command to multiply and replenish the earth (Gen. 1:28).
The earth became corrupt and was filled with violence (Gen. 6:11-13). [size=+1]4. Ends In Judgment:[/size]
God brought a flood of waters upon the earth (Gen. 6:17).





Are these the same?
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[Hitch]

Are these the same?

Yes,


Now where are all those NT passages teaching that this or that period of time was a 'dispensation'?

 

[Hitch]

Age of Liberty - Dispensation of Innocence - Gen. 1:23 - 3:16 Adam - Removal from Garde


What NT authority defines the Garden before the Fall as a dispensation?


Age of Determination - Conscience - Gen. 3:7-8:19 Removal from Garden - Flood


See above



Age of Nations - Human Gov - Gen. 8:20-11:9 Flood - Tower of Babel


See above.




Age of Jewish Nation - Promise/Law - Gen. 1:20-Acts 8 Abraham - Saul of Tarsus


See above



Evil Present Age (Mystery) - Grace - Acts 9 - Heb 13 Paul - Rapture (MYSTERY PROGRAM)


LOL So DF is teachiung that w the Holy Spiirit's earthly ministry is the age of evil? And again what apostle describes or defines this as a 'dispensation'?




Age of Retribution (Tribulation) - Divine Judgement - Jam.1; Rev. 20:15 Christ's Body Removed - 7 years
LOL Where does John mention this 7 years? Where does James mention this 7 years?

Why dont all DFs recognize this 'dispensation'?




Ages to Come (Eternity) - Fullness of time - Rev. 21 & 22:7 Great White Throne - On

 

[Hitch]

So do you think we are still supposed to do animal sacrifices?


So do you think animal sacifices will be resumed?

When did the Levitical priesthood begin?

Are you saying there is a dispensation of Levi?


If it is explained to you...how would you treat those who did the explaining?

I have it on good authorty that it is acceptable, on this forum to say that certain questions reveal a lack of intelligence. As does yours.

 

[Hitch]

Excellent questions, FreeinChrist. All Christians recognize the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament. In fact the word "new" in the New Testament makes for a rather fascinating word study. Jesus brought a "newness" which wasn't restricted to the Mosaic covenant. Here Jesus contrasted the old and the new:

Luke 5:36-38 36 And He was also telling them a parable: "No one tears a piece of cloth from a new garment and puts it on an old garment; otherwise he will both tear the new, and the piece from the new will not match the old. 37 "And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the new wine will burst the skins and it will be spilled out, and the skins will be ruined. 38 "But new wine must be put into fresh wineskins.

Lamorak Des Galis

You're right Christ's work of the Cross and his Resurrection ushered in the prophesied New Heavens and Earth, but what does regonizing the Old and New Covenants have to do with dispensationalism?

But then according to Scofield Jesus was speaking pure Law and his words here are not for the church , as he lived entirely in the dispensation of Law, and the church being unforseen and unprophesied could not be in view,,,

 

[TheScottsMen]

I think our problem here is you have know idea what a Dispesation or Economy is. How can I expect you to understand dispensationalism when you do not even know the term? You've been asked in other threads to define the term dispensation, how about you do that? It is a biblical term. If not dispensation, how about stewardship, or economy. The greek word is oikonomia which can be translated administration, dispensing, or stewardship. Please define.

Until you define what you think Paul ment be dispesation, I see know point in discussing it with you (as your attitude has already proved) as it would be like discussing Algebra with someone whos never studied it and yet thinks its a bad thing.

TSM

 

[billwald]

Humans have an instinct to classify things - stone age - bronze age - iron age - stainless steel age.

God doesn't change the rules. The dispensations are not a series of experiments. But if not, then exactly what?

 

[Hitch]

I think our problem here is you have know idea what a Dispesation or Economy is. How can I expect you to understand dispensationalism when you do not even know the term? You've been asked in other threads to define the term dispensation, how about you do that? It is a biblical term. If not dispensation, how about stewardship, or economy. The greek word is oikonomia which can be translated administration, dispensing, or stewardship. Please define.

Until you define what you think Paul ment be dispesation, I see know point in discussing it with you (as your attitude has already proved) as it would be like discussing Algebra with someone whos never studied it and yet thinks its a bad thing.

TSM

I see know point in discussing it with you (as your attitude has already proved)


Anything to keep from answering the objections Scotty. It's a familiar tactic.


If you think not you are invited to prove them from Scripture. Two or three NT passages in support would be effective.

As I said on the thread so threatening it had to be closed, if you had apostolic support you would have just posted it. So you are correct,you have nothig to say.


BTW I have already posted the official definition quoted directly from my '09 SRB. But to be fair Paul wanst talking about anything near the several dispensations listed in the SRB.

 

[Hitch]

I think our problem here is you have know idea what a Dispesation or Economy is. How can I expect you to understand dispensationalism when you do not even know the term? You've been asked in other threads to define the term dispensation, how about you do that? It is a biblical term. If not dispensation, how about stewardship, or economy. The greek word is oikonomia which can be translated administration, dispensing, or stewardship. Please define.

Until you define what you think Paul ment be dispesation, I see know point in discussing it with you (as your attitude has already proved) as it would be like discussing Algebra with someone whos never studied it and yet thinks its a bad thing.

TSM

The question is not what I understand but whether you are able to present NT scriptures defining and divided the various dispensations. Your post makes no attempt to answer the question.

 

[FreeinChrist]

I have it on good authorty that it is acceptable, on this forum to say that certain questions reveal a lack of intelligence. As does yours.

And I have it on good authority that your request in the OP has already been answered in the past and that you have no intention of demonstrating any acknowledgement of it, or to show any reciprocal respect.

So I will go back to utilizing the ignore option.

 

[Iosias]

So I will go back to utilizing the ignore option.

 

[Hitch]

LOL Its not as though I expected anyone here to be able to asnwer. And you have proved it.


A long standing DF tactic has been to ignore critics,circle the wagons and keep the disciussions among the faithful.


In reality, as self-proclaimed 'dispensationalist' you should have ready support for your basics. Had I requested apostolic authrty in support of the Resurrection or diety of Christ, even this group could have found at least one member with the ability to gather two or three Scriptures .

Im not at all surprized that when asked to show support for the 'dispensations',



If you think not you are invited to prove them from Scripture. Two or three NT passages in support would be effective.,

Nothing, is proposed. Not a single passage from the Scriptures, yet plenty of defensive posturing. So the evidence you all have posted here speaks for itself. the silence is,,, cute.

Hitch

 

[Iosias]

LOL Its not as though I expected anyone here to be able to asnwer. And you have proved it.


A long standing DF tactic has been to ignore critics,circle the wagons and keep the disciussions among the faithful.

OK...you have one more chance...if you do not do this I will iggy you permanently:

Q: Define a dispensation.

 

[Hitch]

OK...you have one more chance...if you do not do this I will iggy you permanently:

Q: Define a dispensation.

the DispensationsareImaginary



If you think not you are invited to prove them from Scripture. Two or three NT passages in support would be effective.

Where are your 'right divisions' AV? Got one?

Hitch

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

You're right Christ's work of the Cross and his Resurrection ushered in the prophesied New Heavens and Earth, but what does regonizing the Old and New Covenants have to do with dispensationalism?

Dispensations are based on the covenants. If you recognize an "old" covenant and a "new" covenant, then you must admit there are two different eras, or dispensations. As FreeinChrist's question pointed out (and which you ignored), if there wasn't any difference, then we would be observing animal sacrifices according to the regulations of the Mosaic covenant.

But then according to Scofield Jesus was speaking pure Law and his words here are not for the church , as he lived entirely in the dispensation of Law, and the church being unforseen and unprophesied could not be in view,,,

Others here have said you lack understanding of dispensationalism, and that really shows in your statement above. Scofield believed in John 1:17:

John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

In fact, here are Scofield's comments on John 1:17 in the 1917 Scofield Reference Bible:

It is, therefore, constantly set in contrast to law, under which God demands righteousness from man, as, under grace, he gives righteousness to man Romans 3:21,22; 8:4; Philemon 3:9. Law is connected with Moses and works; grace with Christ and faith.



Lamorak Des Galis

 

[xenia]

All this testing of mankind...

Do you Dispensationalists ever get the feeling that God is in Heaven dressed in a white lab coat, applying various "chemicals" (the dispensations) on His creatures to see what they will do?





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