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"Autonomy" and "free will" are different concepts. In a lot of cases, confusion over the challenges of free will can usually be resolved by defining what free will and autonomy mean. The doing of such usually dispels the confusion.We are creatures. Being created was not our call. It was His. Your autonomy is a myth.
"Autonomy" and "free will" are different concepts. In a lot of cases, confusion over the challenges of free will can usually be resolved by defining what free will and autonomy mean. The doing of such usually dispels the confusion.
So you are quite right to say that any notion of us having personal autonomy is a myth. But the poster to whom you're replying seems to be referring to free will.
Actually, no. God sets forth laws for man to obey. God gives man the choice to either obey or disobey. God is not at man's mercy because there will be a judgment. If they disobey, they will be punished. If they obey, they will be rewarded. God creates the laws and God administers justice. God is not at man's mercy. God provides mercy if man makes the right decision. God loves us and desires to have a loving relationship with us. True love. That is what it is all about. But one cannot have true love if love is forced upon them.
No. God did not override Paul's free will choice in regards to his personal salvation. God made Himself known to Paul, but this is not the same thing as God forcing His salvation upon him. We do not see Paul (Saul) acting like he was being possessed or taken over or anything.
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Does sin make God angry?
That comment is predicated upon T as I've defined it. Removing that and we're left with a rather incoherent doctrine. Speaking of which...
If that's so, here we have another instance of Protestants disagreeing about their very own doctrines.
Notwithstanding, I've seen Protestant commentators aplenty outright say that T means man is fundamentally incapable of choosing God and, more specifically, choosing not sin. That is, sin has removed any possibility of man affirmatively choosing God of his own free human will.
The Catholic perspective is that sin does bend our will... but not absolutely so. Yes, the taint is undeniable. But it isn't comprehensive. We are affected by sin but we still retain some extent of our freedom.
It isn't absolute. Our freedom is not destroyed by sin; only compromised.Does sin bend the human will or rule man?
Romans 5:21: "That as sin hath reigned unto death".
Sin rules man.
It isn't absolute. Our freedom is not destroyed by sin; only compromised.
This seems off topic but I will address them:
First off: Every knee will bow and “acknowledge” the existence of Christ as Deity, but that will not “save” those that go to hell. For those that go to hell accepting God charity would be like putting a gun to the person’s head and saying Love me or else. A forced Love is not a Godly type Love. They had their opportunity on earth to make a truly free will choice to accept or reject God’s charity and they refused, so that choice has been taken away from them. They will realize what they did and blame only themselves.
In Heaven you still have free will (like the angels, some of whom rebelled against God).
When you say: “Reject Christ”, what are you talking about, Christ is in your presence helping you in the form of the Spirit which you now can see and tough 24/7?
The tree of knowledge or something similar is not there to tempt you, satan is no longer around and you have experience with both sin and satan, so there is no temptation to learn about evil.
Lots of temptations can go back to the conflicts sexuality creates, yet that goes away by no longer being a sexual being.
God has given us everything, so what is there to covet?
To be like God comes with having Godly type Love (unselfish) like God, so do you desire to be even more unselfish (OK, but is that something to covet?)
Sin is needed on earth to help humans initially fulfill their earthly objective, so God does not arrange earth to be a place to avoid sinning, but sin is not needed in heaven, so everything is there to help you avoid sinning.
Would you care to offer your thoughts on those passages?Romans 7
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Would you care to offer your thoughts on those passages?
Not sure what your point is. I've never said I believe Gentiles joined by themselves without God giving some kind of knowledge or conviction.God sent Jonah. Did the gentiles join by themselves without the Lord-given knowledge of atonement?
The Bible is clear that God's wrath is completely satisfied in Christ, yet those who reject Christ and remain outside of Him do not have the righteousness of Christ applied to their life and therefore are not delivered from God's wrath. There is no contradiction and I find it astonishing that you do not comprehend this basic biblical reality.
Nobody is forced to be saved. To keep repeating that is disingenuous.
I do believe that we have free will in choosing to repent and obey (we don't "choose Jesus"). We just don't choose whether we are renerate or not (thank the Lord).Agreeing with your opponent is a tactic used to confuse your oponent.
I do not see how agreeing with your opponent in this case helps you.
You do not believe in free will in regards to a person choosing the Lord.
I have talked with Calvinists before and they freely admit to me there is no free will in choosing the Lord.
Not sure why you are not on the same page with them.
God ordains. He doesn't react.So then God is honestly reacting in anger to man's sin. God is being influenced by what man does because man's sin makes Him angry. In other words, it would be like someone cutting you off in traffic and you get mad. Did not the person who cut you off make you mad? Did not their actions control or influence your emotions in some way?
I find it astonishing that you don't see the contradiction.The Bible is clear that God's wrath is completely satisfied in Christ, yet those who reject Christ and remain outside of Him do not have the righteousness of Christ applied to their life and therefore are not delivered from God's wrath. There is no contradiction and I find it astonishing that you do not comprehend this basic biblical reality.
So it was limited to those people.The atonement in the OT was not limited. It was for the whole nation of Israel and all the people of Israel and anyone who joined themselves to Israel by faith.
I believe regeneration is irresistible.Do you believe salvation is by irresistible grace?
Do you believe the saving force of irresistible grace can be resisted?
Resistance is futile.
Do you believe salvation is by irresistible grace?
Do you believe the saving force of irresistible grace can be resisted?
Resistance is futile.
???Sure. Please confirm that you are not a muslim but believe Jesus is the Son of God.
Just now I noticed the caption under your name.
Thanks.
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