The word "woke" is misused

[Roman57]

When someone says "That's pretty cool" do you believe they are describing the literal temperature of something?

I wasn't saying that anybody is literally asleep or awake either. What i did say was that the figurative meaning of brong awake is to be aware of reality, yet the word woke is used in exact opposite way.

 

[Reasonably Sane]

I wasn't saying that anybody is literally asleep or awake either. What i did say was that the figurative meaning of brong awake is to be aware of reality, yet the word woke is used in exact opposite way.

Well, to be fair, it was originally meant to be "awake". Those of us on the right just hijacked it and, oddly, it stuck. Same thing happened with "fake news". That one was originally used to describe conservative news sources, but time has not been kind to the memes of the left. i.e. nobody watching what the left called "fake news" was surprised at the debate, yet those who did stay in the MSM "fake news" silo were shocked.

Reminds me of the guy in a post that had been watching the MSM regarding Rittenhouse and also watching the trial, saying during the trial, "I thought all the guys Rittenhouse shot were black!" Those of us watching conservative news sources never thought any of them were black. We also understood that the "state line" he crossed was simply an arbitrary line in his neighborhood. i.e. a line everyone crossed daily to go to work, shop, visit friends, etc. Yet many on the left were acting like he hid contraband as he crossed a border checkpoint. It was literally LOL stuff.

 

[Roman57]

The comical part is that the word for that is not "woke". It's "awake".

I think the word "woke" also exists. It designates alert state of mind. Not the parqnoid type of alertness but, instead, the alertness to something thats real that everyone ignores.

Thats why when i heard the word woke for the first time, I assumed that people on the right referred to themselves that way in relation to being aware about illuminati. Then i was surprised to realize that its not that at all but instead it was people on the left being woke in regards to racism. But then I made another mistake: I assumed they were referring to themselves that way to criticize others. But no: it were others referring to them that way, to criticize them. Who would ever guess it?

 

[Reasonably Sane]

I think the word "woke" also exists. It designates alert state of mind. Not the parqnoid type of alertness but, instead, the alertness to something thats real that everyone ignores.

Thats why when i heard the word woke for the first time, I assumed that people on the right referred to themselves that way in relation to being aware about illuminati. Then i was surprised to realize that its not that at all but instead it was people on the left being woke in regards to racism. But then I made another mistake: I assumed they were referring to themselves that way to criticize others. But no: it were others referring to them that way, to criticize them. Who would ever guess it?

I posted this a bit ago. I'll throw it out there again: Stay Woke

FWIW, a few years ago at a garage sale I finally grabbed myself a nice thick mid-century webster dictionary that I use to compare modern meanings of words to what we used when the world was, shall we say, more sane. Of course, this mainly applies to words as they apply to culture and politics. Though I did see a 1920's dictionary that defined the word, "computer" thusly: Someone who computes.

 

[Roman57]

Well, to be fair, it was originally meant to be "awake". Those of us on the right just hijacked it and, oddly, it stuck.

Then people on the right should have hijacked that word by referring to themselves this way, as in "we dont agree with you that you are woke, its us who are woke" or to spell it out "I dont agree with you that you see reality, its us who see reality".

But, instead of hijacking it as above, they hijacked it differently: they were referring to their opponents as woke, and that just makes no sense. Since then it sounds like saying "you are right that you see reality and I dont, but guess what: seeing reality is a bad thing". And that just doesn't make sense.

Same thing happened with "fake news". That one was originally used to describe conservative news sources, but time has not been kind to the memes of the left.

Thats different. Because here the label was redurected from right to left. Similarly, if the label woke were to be tedirected from left to right that would make sense too. Its the fact that it continued to be referred to the left, thats where it didn't make sense.

To make an analogy, it would be the same thing as conservatives adapting the term "fake news" to refer to themselves instead of the liberals.

Consider the following scenarios:

Scenario 1: Liberals refer to liberals as woke. Then conservatives borrowed that term to refer to conservatives as woke

Scenario 2: Liberals referred to conservative news as fake news, then conservatives borrowed that term to refer to liberal news as fake news.

Scenario 3: Liberals refer to liberals as woke. Then conservatives borrowed that term to also refer to liberals as woke

Scenario 4: Liberals referred to conservative news as fake news, then conservatives borrowed that term and also referred to conservative news as fake news.

What I am saying is that Scenario 1 and 2 make sense but Scenario 3 and 4 don't.

In reality we have scenario 2 and 3. So in my mind 2 makes sense but 3 doesnt.

 

[Reasonably Sane]

Then people on the right should have hijacked that word by referring to themselves this way, as in "we dont agree with you that you are woke, its us who are woke" or to spell it out "I dont agree with you that you see reality, its us who see reality".

But, instead of hijacking it as above, they hijacked it differently: they were referring to their opponents as woke, and that just makes no sense. Since then it sounds like saying "you are right that you see reality and I dont, but guess what: seeing reality is a bad thing". And that just doesn't make sense.

It makes total senses. It's short, sweet, and memorable. And, more importantly, it worked. Wordy memes just don't ever catch on. Exhibit one. A nice meme: "Don't let the past dictate the future." Less catchy:

 

[Tropical Wilds]

I can't tell if you're playing word games or if you genuinely don't understand how words can be co-opted, or their meanings changed, when used by different persons in different contexts.

When someone says "That's pretty cool" do you believe they are describing the literal temperature of something?

-CryptoLutheran

That’s heavy.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Misandrist is a core component of Radical Feminism. And that's not a secret...their seminal documents say so explicitly.

Great. I missed out on my copy of the gay agenda, now apparently I didn’t get my copy of the radical feminist agenda. Ridiculous.

 

[Roman57]

It makes total senses. It's short, sweet, and memorable.

I like expressions that are short sweet and memorable. The problem with this one is that my instinctive reading of it is the opposite to its intended meaning.

 

[Reasonably Sane]

I like expressions that are short sweet and memorable. The problem with this one is that my instinctive reading of it is the opposite to its intended meaning.

And that's where the conversation starts.

 

[RDKirk]

Great. I missed out on my copy of the gay agenda, now apparently I didn’t get my copy of the radical feminist agenda. Ridiculous.

The link is Critical Theory and the primary principles of Critical Theory. Then, if you read the seminal documents of Critical Race Theory and Critical Gender Theory, you see they give open acknowledgement their basis in Critical Theory which, itself, gives open acknowledgement to its basis in Marxism.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Fascism is anything MAGA or any resemblance thereof.

No, that's not true.

MAGA may be fascist, but something isn't fascist because it's MAGA.

Grass may be green, but green isn't defined by being grass.

-CryptoLutheran