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"the word of God" in sacred scripture

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The Psalmist speaks of the Torah as God's word, that is, such as where we read "Your word is a lamp unto my feet".
Stop and think about that a b it more. Is the psalmist really saying, "the scriptures (probably Torah alone at this stage of history) is a lamp unto my feet"? Or is the psalmist saying, "What you say, Lord, is a lamp unto my feet"?
 
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Stop and think about that a b it more. Is the psalmist really saying, "the scriptures (probably Torah alone at this stage of history) is a lamp unto my feet"? Or is the psalmist saying, "What you say, Lord, is a lamp unto my feet"?

In the context of Psalm 119 it is about what God has commanded, the Torah which He gave Israel at Mt. Sinai. I didn't say it meant "the Scriptures", but specifically Torah--the mitzvot, the ordinances, the statutes, the instructions given to Israel.

"Your word is a lamp to my feet
and a light to my path.
I have sworn an oath and confirmed it,
to keep your righteous judgments
I am severely afflicted;
give me life, O LORD, according to your word!
Accept my freewill offerings of praise, O LORD,
and teach me your judgements.
I hold my life in my hand continually,
but I do not forget Your Torah.
The wicked have laid a snare for me,
but I do not stray from Your precepts.
Your testimonies are my heritage forever,
for they are the joy of my heart.
I incline my heart to perform Your statutes
forever, to the end.
" - Psalm 119:105-112

The Psalmist explicitly mentions Torah. The word which the Psalmist speaks are the statutes, the judgments, the decrees which have been given, which define the Psalmist's way of life as an Israelite, as a Jew--they are his heritage, his identity, who and what he is as a son of the Covenant made at Sinai.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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In the context of Psalm 119 it is about what God has commanded, the Torah which He gave Israel at Mt. Sinai. I didn't say it meant "the Scriptures", but specifically Torah--the mitzvot, the ordinances, the statutes, the instructions given to Israel.

"Your word is a lamp to my feet
and a light to my path.
I have sworn an oath and confirmed it,
to keep your righteous judgments
I am severely afflicted;
give me life, O LORD, according to your word!
Accept my freewill offerings of praise, O LORD,
and teach me your judgements.
I hold my life in my hand continually,
but I do not forget Your Torah.
The wicked have laid a snare for me,
but I do not stray from Your precepts.
Your testimonies are my heritage forever,
for they are the joy of my heart.
I incline my heart to perform Your statutes
forever, to the end.
" - Psalm 119:105-112

The Psalmist explicitly mentions Torah. The word which the Psalmist speaks are the statutes, the judgments, the decrees which have been given, which define the Psalmist's way of life as an Israelite, as a Jew--they are his heritage, his identity, who and what he is as a son of the Covenant made at Sinai.

-CryptoLutheran
Psalms 119:105-112 LSB
(105) Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.​
(106) I have sworn and I have confirmed, To keep Your righteous judgments.​
(107) I am exceedingly afflicted; O Yahweh, revive me according to Your word.​
(108) Oh be pleased with the freewill offerings of my mouth, O Yahweh, And teach me Your judgments.​
(109) My soul is continually in my hand, Yet I do not forget Your law.​
(110) The wicked have laid a snare for me, Yet I have not wandered from Your precepts.​
(111) I have inherited Your testimonies forever, For they are the joy of my heart.​
(112) I have inclined my heart to do Your statutes Forever, to the end.​

One cannot doubt that the psalmist is writing about what he reads in the law, yet it is "your law", that is to say, Yahweh's law in the psalmist's heart. There is a lively component here that is present in the heard and obeyed law and not so in the written but not heard and obeyed law. Or do you disagree?
 
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According to the Legacy Standard Bible, a wonder of evangelical literalness according to many, the words "the word of God" may be found in these verses and no others:
(1 Samuel 9:27 LSB) As they were going down to the edge of the city, Samuel said to Saul, “Say to the young man that he might pass before us and pass onwards, but you remain standing now, that I may cause you to hear the word of God.”​
(2 Samuel 16:23 LSB) Now the counsel of Ahithophel, which he counseled in those days, was as if one asked of the word of God; so was all the counsel of Ahithophel regarded by both David and Absalom.​
(1 Kings 12:22 LSB) But the word of God came to Shemaiah the man of God, saying,​
(1 Chronicles 17:3 LSB) Now it happened in the same night, that the word of God came to Nathan, saying,​
(Matthew 15:6 LSB) he need not honor his father.’ And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition.​
(Mark 7:13 LSB) thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”​
(Luke 3:2 LSB) during the high priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came to John, the son of Zechariah, in the wilderness.​
(Luke 5:1 LSB) Now it happened that while the crowd was pressing around Him and listening to the word of God, He was standing at the edge of the lake of Gennesaret;​
(Luke 8:11 LSB) “Now the parable is this: the seed is the word of God.​
(Luke 8:21 LSB) But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”​
(Luke 11:28 LSB) But He said, “On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it.”​
(John 10:35 LSB) “If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),​
(Acts 4:31 LSB) And when they had prayed earnestly, the place where they had gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak the word of God with confidence.​
(Acts 6:2 LSB) So the twelve summoned the congregation of the disciples and said, “It is not pleasing to God for us to neglect the word of God in order to serve tables.​
(Acts 6:7 LSB) And the word of God kept on spreading, and the number of the disciples continued to multiply greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were becoming obedient to the faith.​
(Acts 8:14 LSB) Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John,​
(Acts 11:1 LSB) Now the apostles and the brothers who were throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God.​
(Acts 13:5 LSB) And when they reached Salamis, they began to proclaim the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews, and they also had John as their helper.​
(Acts 13:7 LSB) who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence. This man summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God.​
(Acts 13:46 LSB) Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, “It was necessary that the word of God be spoken to you first. Since you reject it and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles.​
(Acts 17:13 LSB) But when the Jews of Thessalonica found out that the word of God had been proclaimed by Paul in Berea also, they came there as well, shaking up and disturbing the crowds.​
(Acts 18:11 LSB) And he stayed there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.​
(Romans 9:6 LSB) But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel;​
(1 Corinthians 14:36 LSB) Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it arrived to you only?​
(2 Corinthians 2:17 LSB) For we are not like many, peddling the word of God, but as from sincerity, but as from God, in the sight of God, we speak in Christ.​
(2 Corinthians 4:2 LSB) but we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness or adulterating the word of God, but by the manifestation of truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.​
(Ephesians 6:17 LSB) also receive THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God,​
(Philippians 1:14 LSB) and that most of the brothers, having become confident in the Lord because of my chains, have far more courage to speak the word of God without fear.​
(Colossians 1:25 LSB) of which I was made a minister according to the stewardship from God given to me for you, so that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God,​
(1 Thessalonians 2:13 LSB) And for this reason we also thank God without ceasing that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also is at work in you who believe.​
(1 Timothy 4:5 LSB) for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.​
(2 Timothy 2:9 LSB) for which I endure hardship even to chains as a criminal. But the word of God has not been chained.​
(Titus 2:5 LSB) to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be slandered.​
(Hebrews 4:12 LSB) For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.​
(Hebrews 11:3 LSB) By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.​
(Hebrews 13:7 LSB) Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you; and considering the result of their conduct, imitate their faith.​
(2 Peter 3:5 LSB) For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water,​
(1 John 2:14 LSB) I have written to you, fathers, because you have known Him who has been from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one.​
(Revelation 1:2 LSB) who bore witness to the word of God and to the witness of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.​
(Revelation 1:9 LSB) I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the witness of Jesus.​
(Revelation 6:9 LSB) And when He opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the witness which they had maintained;​
(Revelation 19:13 LSB) and being clothed with a garment dipped in blood, His name is also called The Word of God.​
(Revelation 20:4 LSB) Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their witness of Jesus and because of the word of God, and who also had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.​
Tell me which of those passages undisputably refers to sacred scripture when "the word of god" is used.
For those who have eyes that can see, it doesn't need to be any more plain than:

"All Scripture is God-breathed" (2 Tim 3:16).

"No prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. . .men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." (2 Pe 1:20-21).
 
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It doesn't need to be any more plain than:

"All Scripture is God-breathed" (2 Tim 3:16).

"No prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. . .men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." (2 Pe 1:20-21)
And exactly what do you contend is taught in those passages or are you quoting them for no reason?
 
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A Catholic view is not esoteric, it is very easy to see and read, it is easy to understand, but it takes some effort to acquire. Very few on CF bather to acquire it. Many just say what they've heard or read in anti-Catholic sources.
Yes it is easy to see and read, which is why I recognize it when I see it.
 
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Then why do you get it so wrong every time you describe Catholicism?
Such as? If it's that frequent it shouldn't take you more than a minute to come up with an example. But I'm betting you won't, and will instead deflect.
 
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Such as? If it's that frequent it shouldn't take you more than a minute to come up with an example. But I'm betting you won't, and will instead deflect.
Tell me what Catholicism teaches about images, Blessed Mary, and sacred scripture; your answer will be more than enough to prove my contention, unless you suddenly reform your statements are get them from official Church documents.
 
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Keep in mind, many people in the first century were illiterate.

Even throughout the Middle Ages, many people were illiterate.

There was no "New Testament" until later on.

It was all passed on via oral tradition.

If you want to be very literal according to St. John, then yes, Jesus is the literal word of God.

Questions?
 
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There's no doctrine I know of that proclaims "the bible is God". What is said though is that scripture is "God breathed". And that it contains a lot of information that tells us about the nature and will of God. Which comes to us from God. God spoke to Moses. Moses wrote down what God said. Thus both are called "the word of God". And this writing is called the word of God apart from John referring to Jesus as the Word in John 1:1.

Scripture being referred to as "the word of God" should just simply mean the words of God to us in written form, and not conflated with any other usage such as "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1. Anymore than "Without saying a word, the man watched her closely to learn whether or not the Lord had made his journey successful." Genesis 24:21 should be conflated with John 1:1.
I think you are quoting 2 Timothy 3:16.....which, in Paul's day, only applied to the OT.

Context is everything.
 
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Such as? If it's that frequent it shouldn't take you more than a minute to come up with an example. But I'm betting you won't, and will instead deflect.
To be fair, most Catholics do not understand what the Church teaches, those outside the Church have no idea.
 
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Tell me what Catholicism teaches about images, Blessed Mary, and sacred scripture; your answer will be more than enough to prove my contention, unless you suddenly reform your statements are get them from official Church documents.
There was a video on YouTube that explained how Catholicism is the most Bible-based Church.

I cannot find it anywhere on YouTube because that channel has been deleted.

So much knowledge is now lost.

:(
 
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There was a video on YouTube that explained how Catholicism is the most Bible-based Church.

I cannot find it anywhere on YouTube because that channel has been deleted.

So much knowledge is now lost.

:(
The Catholic Church does a lot to make sure that any curious person can find out exactly what the Church teaches about any specific subject.
 
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Do you think Christianity should be that hard to understand?
It isn't, least of all Catholicism, but Protestants have a significant hurdle to overcome which is the inaccurate prejudicial teaching they hear from pastors and books and comics against the Catholic Church.
 
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I think you are quoting 2 Timothy 3:16.....which, in Paul's day, only applied to the OT.

Context is everything.
I didn't have 2 Timothy 3:16 in mind when I made that post. However, if what Paul said only applies to the OT, what's to be said of the NT?
 
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I didn't have 2 Timothy 3:16 in mind when I made that post. However, if what Paul said only applies to the OT, what's to be said of the NT?
That the NT has the sanctioning approval of the Catholic Church and consequently is received as holy scripture by Catholics.
 
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And exactly what do you contend is taught in those passages or are you quoting them for no reason?
They teach that Scripture is indeed the "word of God" (2 Tim 3:16, 2 Pe 1:20-21), making unnecessary any "passages undisputedly" referring "to sacred Scripture when the 'word of God' is used" (OP).
 
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They teach that Scripture is indeed the "word of God" (2 Tim 3:16, 2 Pe 1:20-21), making unnecessary any "passages undisputedly" referring "to sacred Scripture when the 'word of God' is used" (OP).
They do not, you know.
 
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