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The WMDs Are In Syria

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I know that many desperately want there to be WMD's to justify the daily mass killing and maiming. I beleive it to be a fantasy. Such weapons are good for a few limited purposes. They are actually used against the enemy, or they are used as a deterrent/bargaining chip. If these weapons existed, they weren't used. No one has given a satisfactory explanation as to why. If they still exist, and they aren't to be used, and they aren't to serve as a deterrent, what useful purpose could they possibly have? There is no use for weapons you don't intend to use either for destructive or political purposes.

Its like this folks. Saddam led many to believe he had them becuae he could use that almost as effectively as if he actually did. Our administration used the opportunity to play things up. They used his claims as proof that he had the weapons because the administration desperately wanted to go to war. They did all they could to bolster Saddams claims and convince the world and our own congress that they existed.

When Saddam saw that his bluff was being used against him to justify an invasion, he began an effort to show the weapons did not exist, and never had. Problem was, our administration further spun the whole thing, demanding that he prove he destroyed the weapons. Well, you can't prove you destroyed something you never had in the first place. There were no new weapons, the old ones had been long-ago destroyed after the first gulf war.

The Bush administration played a great game. They got what they wanted, an invasion. But while they were wokring so hard on the politics, they forgot to plan for the occupation. Now we are toast.

There are no weapons. There never were weapons. You were fooled, first by Saddam, then by your own government.

We tried to tell you before the war started. You wouldn't listen. Have you forgotten? Rose petals at our feet. A mere billion or two to get in and get out. Everything paid for with oil. Minimal casualties. The pro-war people were dead wrong about all those things. They choose to pretend they never argued those things. But I remember it very well.
 
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#100 Old 3rd August 2006, 08:44 PM [Neverstop's CF character] Neverstop That's quite a bit of re-writing history. Kuwait was prevented Iraq from making money off of it's oil....money desperately needed from the Iraq/Iran war. Saddam invaded to protect Iraq and the US would have done the exact same thing. (In fact, that US has done that very thing several times.) The US gave Saddam permission to invade Kuwait two weeks before he did. James Baker sent an envoy specifically for that purpose. It's all in the State Department transcripts. Of course, I fully expect a denial of the evidence at all costs. ONEGod: Gulf War I forced Saddam out of KuWait, no re-writing of history, just a mistake made in haste. KuWait prevented Iraq from making money off its own oil ? Are you sober/serious ? The United States would have invaded to protect Iraq ? Again are you sober/serious ? I won't deny the transcripts with the posting of such and a link, try me. The attempts to portray the BUTCHER OF BAGDAD (WELL EARNED TITLE) as a misunderstood and victimised choirboy/family man just don't wash with me.
 
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#100 Old 3rd August 2006, 08:44 PM [Neverstop's CF character] Neverstop That's quite a bit of re-writing history. Kuwait was prevented Iraq from making money off of it's oil....money desperately needed from the Iraq/Iran war. Saddam invaded to protect Iraq and the US would have done the exact same thing. (In fact, that US has done that very thing several times.) The US gave Saddam permission to invade Kuwait two weeks before he did. James Baker sent an envoy specifically for that purpose. It's all in the State Department transcripts. Of course, I fully expect a denial of the evidence at all costs. ONEGod: Gulf War I forced Saddam out of KuWait, no re-writing of history, just a mistake made in haste. KuWait prevented Iraq from making money off its own oil ? Are you sober/serious ? The United States would have invaded to protect Iraq ? Again are you sober/serious ? I won't deny the transcripts with the posting of such and a link, try me. The attempts to portray the BUTCHER OF BAGDAD (WELL EARNED TITLE) as a misunderstood and victimised choirboy/family man just don't wash with me.
 
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ONEGod said:
#100 Old 3rd August 2006, 08:44 PM [Neverstop's CF character] Neverstop That's quite a bit of re-writing history. Kuwait was prevented Iraq from making money off of it's oil....money desperately needed from the Iraq/Iran war. Saddam invaded to protect Iraq and the US would have done the exact same thing. (In fact, that US has done that very thing several times.) The US gave Saddam permission to invade Kuwait two weeks before he did. James Baker sent an envoy specifically for that purpose. It's all in the State Department transcripts. Of course, I fully expect a denial of the evidence at all costs. ONEGod: Gulf War I forced Saddam out of KuWait, no re-writing of history, just a mistake made in haste. KuWait prevented Iraq from making money off its own oil ? Are you sober/serious ? The United States would have invaded to protect Iraq ? Again are you sober/serious ? I won't deny the transcripts with the posting of such and a link, try me. The attempts to portray the BUTCHER OF BAGDAD (WELL EARNED TITLE) as a misunderstood and victimised choirboy/family man just don't wash with me.



There is a misunderstanding here.....we never went there to protect Iraq or Kuwait. We went to get permanent bases installed in the middle east past Israel. It worked. You can check it out.....ever since 1990 the US has NEVER left the Persian Gulf.

Why do you think Saddam invaded Kuwait? Was he bored? No. Kuwait was also slant drilling into Iraq.

http://www.wanniski.com/showarticle.asp?articleid=3182

That is a long link but it is comprehensive and covers the transcripts as well as followed up news stories.

Keep in mind, bin Laden offered to remove Saddam from Kuwait and the Saudis and Kuwait said no. Why would Arab nations invite Western infidels onto their lands when they had an Arab brother willing to remove Saddam?
 
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Neverstop said:
There is a misunderstanding here.....we never went there to protect Iraq or Kuwait. We went to get permanent bases installed in the middle east past Israel. It worked. You can check it out.....ever since 1990 the US has NEVER left the Persian Gulf.
How do you know that we went in just to get permanent bases in the Middle East? Keep in mind, the United Nations went in. It wasn't just the United States.

Why do you think Saddam invaded Kuwait? Was he bored? No. Kuwait was also slant drilling into Iraq.
Causes. Where was any evidence of slant drilling?

Keep in mind, bin Laden offered to remove Saddam from Kuwait and the Saudis and Kuwait said no. Why would Arab nations invite Western infidels onto their lands when they had an Arab brother willing to remove Saddam?
How exactly would Bin Laden have removed Iraq from Kuwait?
 
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Sleeker said:
How do you know that we went in just to get permanent bases in the Middle East? Keep in mind, the United Nations went in. It wasn't just the United States.

We gave Saddam permission to invade.

Yes, the UN did go in...ya know what...forget it.
 
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Neverstop said:
We gave Saddam permission to invade.
Really? So we allowed them to invade Kuwait, knowing that we would go in there and fight them back to the border, and then not conquer Iraq. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see the point in all of that.
 
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Sleeker said:
Really? So we allowed them to invade Kuwait, knowing that we would go in there and fight them back to the border, and then not conquer Iraq. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see the point in all of that.

During Desert Storm there was a point when we were heading to Baghdad...I know because I was riding shotgun/co-driving a hmmt. On our way there the mission was called off.

In case it was not noticed, we have been in Iraq for over 3 years and we never stopped bombing after Desert Storm was "officially" over. We installed bases in Saudi Arabia and as soon as we invaded Iraq SA told us to get our bases out of there so we did and transplanted them to Iraq.

IOW, SA was a weigh station for US for about 13 years.

Had we not booted Saddam out of Kuwait we could not have invaded in 03.

Also, don't forget had we not gone in 1990 we would not have had the Sanctions/Bombings in place that have greatly decimated Iraq.
 
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Sleeker said:
Really? So we allowed them to invade Kuwait, knowing that we would go in there and fight them back to the border, and then not conquer Iraq. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see the point in all of that.
The point of the exercise was one military base in the MiddleEast in Saudi Arabia.
 
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Neverstop said:
During Desert Storm there was a point when we were heading to Baghdad...I know because I was riding shotgun/co-driving a hmmt. On our way there the mission was called off.
The point still is that you were called off.

Had we not booted Saddam out of Kuwait we could not have invaded in 03.
Sure we could've, although the base in Saudia Arabia did help.

Also, don't forget had we not gone in 1990 we would not have had the Sanctions/Bombings in place that have greatly decimated Iraq.
It still makes no sense. Let me try to get this straight though.

We told Saddam that it would be all right to invade Kuwait. He does so, and then America is somehow able to get a United Nations force to attack Iraq to free Kuwait. We do this under the guise of protecting Saudia Arabia and liberating Kuwait, and in doing so, get a military base in Saudia Arabia. And so, after completely defeating the Iraqi military, we decide to call off the war, no doubt because the imperialist Americans want Iraqi oil to themselves and not to the United Nations. We are able to convince the United Nations to put sanctions under Iraq and a no-fly zone (which helicopters weren't included in, most likely because we wanted the Iraqi military to put down any rebellion in that we, for some reason, would ask the Shiites and Kurds to do later). The United States then encourages a rebellion for no reason that is brutally put down.

Roughly ten years later, we stage an attack on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center and use it to attack Afghanistan, despite the fact that neither Afghans or Iraqis participated in the attack, nor did America frame any for it. While not relevant to Iraq yet, I'm sure it will be with time as part of a greater Middle Eastern, and then global plan of domination and dictatorship (no doubt). Two years later, after Saddam is able to rebuild some of his military while keeping his people starving because he likes his palaces instead of food for the population, we make up allegations of WMD's and an oppressive regime (because Saddam was a nice guy). We use this as the reason to attack, and the previously mentioned Saudi base as a staging point, instead of possibly using Turkey, Kurdish land, or staging an old-fashioned amphibious assault). We quickly defeat the military of Iraq and tell the Kurds to come in from the north. We set up military bases, attempt to set up a government, and give Iraq the profits of oil.

So we now, after years of incredible foresight and clairvoyance, and despite easily being able to take over Iraq over a decade before and many strange occurances that make little to no logical sense, we now have military bases in Iraq.

Why?
 
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This looks all too much like the rationalizing of the accusations of America hegemony/Imperialism, and its all about cheap oil. Problem with the reality does NOT fit the accusations.
Where's my cheap oil ?
If it is about Imperialism, why did G.H.Bush call an early end to the first Gulf War instead of finishing the job ? Sock puppet political rhetoric leads many off a cliff.
 
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America was accused falsely of many things about the Gulf War I, if the War was about hegemony/Imperialism, why did G.H.Bush leave before the job was finished.
As for the accusation of the Gulf war for cheap oil, show me where ? The accusations were false rhetoric as were many other accusations that were made.
 
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Here's a plan. The WMD is in Israel. Go marching their.

Come on, your argument of invade countries with WMD or who opposes us, does not agree with us, as a letigimate target bespoke of imperialistc mind set. Some people here seem to become so dogmatic to the point of all is wrong we are right attitude.

Keep on riding with this tunnel vision, and you will realise you have not made any lovers in the world.
 
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ONEGod said:
This looks all too much like the rationalizing of the accusations of America hegemony/Imperialism, and its all about cheap oil. Problem with the reality does NOT fit the accusations.
Where's my cheap oil ?

It's about controlling the supply. Saddam Hussein was undercutting the price. Nobody but you wants you to get cheap oil. They want you to pay the maximum the market will bear. That's why the oil companies are posting record profits.

ONEGod said:
If it is about Imperialism, why did G.H.Bush call an early end to the first Gulf War instead of finishing the job ?

Maybe he wasn't in a position to defy world opinion. Maybe his bosses told him to lay off.

ONEGod said:
Sock puppet political rhetoric leads many off a cliff.

As Dubya is leading the Republican party?

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ONEGod said:
This looks all too much like the rationalizing of the accusations of America hegemony/Imperialism, and its all about cheap oil. Problem with the reality does NOT fit the accusations.
Where's my cheap oil ?
If it is about Imperialism, why did G.H.Bush call an early end to the first Gulf War instead of finishing the job ? Sock puppet political rhetoric leads many off a cliff.
Obvious you're not paying atttention, it wasn't about cheap oil. Oil companies are not interested in selling you cheap oil. You don't see them cutting profit margins just to sell you oil cheaply do you?

If you were paying attention you will understand that G.H. Bush, and Cheney thought invading Iraq in '91 would leave a power vaccum and lead to what we have today in Iraq. Then came PNAC, a more power senile Cheney and the detached empty suit we have in power today, and the authors of PNAC became key members of "el i'm over my head's" staff.

The reason why they weren't able to put in motion the very plans that Cheney hatched with oil executives, that in which we had to sue to find out about in regards to Iraq, before the war even started mind you, is because...are you ready....because Iraq is one hell of a mess.

It's okay to pay attention. :)
 
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Obvious you're not paying atttention, it wasn't about cheap oil. Oil companies are not interested in selling you cheap oil. You don't see them cutting profit margins just to sell you oil cheaply do you?

If you were paying attention you will understand that G.H. Bush, and Cheney thought invading Iraq in '91 would leave a power vaccum and lead to what we have today in Iraq. Then came PNAC, a more power senile Cheney and the detached empty suit we have in power today, and the authors of PNAC became key members of "el i'm over my head's" staff.

The reason why they weren't able to put in motion the very plans that Cheney hatched with oil executives, that in which we had to sue to find out about in regards to Iraq, before the war even started mind you, is because...are you ready....because Iraq is one hell of a mess.

It's okay to pay attention. :)

Exactly! Bush sr advised junior not to invade iraq. Also, back in 91' there was a problem selling the invasion to Arab allies.
 
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Here's a plan. The WMD is in Israel. Go marching their.

Come on, your argument of invade countries with WMD or who opposes us, does not agree with us, as a letigimate target bespoke of imperialistc mind set. Some people here seem to become so dogmatic to the point of all is wrong we are right attitude.

Keep on riding with this tunnel vision, and you will realise you have not made any lovers in the world.

ONEGod:
Must have gone unnoticed, the accusation of 'no blood for cheap oil' was just ONE of the false accusations declared. Didn't i also mention other false accusations as well ?
  1. Matthew 16:26
    For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
  2. Mark 8:36
    For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
  3. Luke 9:25
    For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
Tunnel vision for the journey of the straight and narrow-eternal life ! Your comment is timely as i hope the reply.
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Obvious you're not paying atttention, it wasn't about cheap oil.
ONEGod:
I paid excellant attention its about the false accusations seeking political advantage, one of a pack of lies coming from political liars.
 
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Bush apologists continue to clutch at straws, with their ludicrous claim that Saddam sent his WMD's to Syria.

Anybody who's actually familiar with Middle Eastern affairs, knows that Saddam's Iraq and Syria didn't get along very well at all.

In fact, Syria gave sanctuary to anti-Saddam dissidents during his reign.

Syria has had close ties to Iran for years, Saddam's biggest enemy in the Middle East.

Iraq and Syria severed all diplomatic relations in 1982, and they weren't resumed until just last year:


Syria to Restore Relations With Iraq Sunday, May 01, 2005
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"Syrian-Iraqi relations deteriorated after Syria sided with Iran in the 1980 Iraqi-Iranian war, and diplomatic relations were severed in 1982. Since then, Syria became home for anti-Saddam dissidents."

Rest of article:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155156,00.html
 
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Bush apologists continue to clutch at straws, with their ludicrous claim that Saddam sent his WMD's to Syria.

Anybody who's actually familiar with Middle Eastern affairs, knows that Saddam's Iraq and Syria didn't get along very well at all.

In fact, Syria gave sanctuary to anti-Saddam dissidents during his reign.

Syria has had close ties to Iran for years, Saddam's biggest enemy in the Middle East.

Iraq and Syria severed all diplomatic relations in 1982, and they weren't resumed until just last year:


Syria to Restore Relations With Iraq Sunday, May 01, 2005

"Syrian-Iraqi relations deteriorated after Syria sided with Iran in the 1980 Iraqi-Iranian war, and diplomatic relations were severed in 1982. Since then, Syria became home for anti-Saddam dissidents."

Rest of article:

That heavy speculation requires the recipients or the coordination to be the official Syrian government.

Times have changed and it no longer requires "top scientists" to produce, store, handle technology or science that is well over 50 years old.

While I admit that the average Joe assumes that it means the government being involved when Syria is mentioned, that doesn't make the assumption true. And the many various terrorists groups in the world may or may not have direct ties or support with the various nations they inhabit.

Jump to the conclusions that it is "grasping at straws" or that it is some sort of political error, but it doesn't make the references relevant when terrorism and CBR warfare is involved.
 
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