The WMDs Are In Syria

[nvxplorer]

Must have gone unnoticed, the accusation of 'no blood for cheap oil' was just ONE of the false accusations declared.

So right you are! What we have in actuality is blood for highly expensive oil.

 

[Guttermouth]

Are any of you WMD-believers familiar with the Iraq Survey Group? Have you read the Duelfer Report?

There were no WMDs. Clinton destroyed the last of them. Saddam made us believe he had them so he could use it as leverage. Bush played it up to justify going to war and when Saddam backed down,and let the inspectors back in, it was shown he didn't have WMD. So our administration pulled the inspectors and invaded anyway.

You were wrong. Why not focus on how we can get out of this mess. I know it is hard to admit when you are wrong, especially when the cost was tens of thousands of lives, 2,500 US troop deaths, and 50,000+ maimed burned and mentally ruined.

Time to look in the mirror and face the truth. Now how can we get our young men home before more are killed and maimed over this lie.

 

[ONEGod]

I think some are in a rush to get us out of Iraq to incite their prurient interest in the now vacant rape rooms or the fear the human shredding machines are going to rust from lack of use. Still there is that death cult obsession the liberals are obsessed with that just might be holding to curiosity towards the mass graves legacy of Saddam ?

 

[k]

Are any of you WMD-believers familiar with the Iraq Survey Group? Have you read the Duelfer Report?

There were no WMDs. Clinton destroyed the last of them. Saddam made us believe he had them so he could use it as leverage. Bush played it up to justify going to war and when Saddam backed down,and let the inspectors back in, it was shown he didn't have WMD. So our administration pulled the inspectors and invaded anyway.

You were wrong. Why not focus on how we can get out of this mess. I know it is hard to admit when you are wrong, especially when the cost was tens of thousands of lives, 2,500 US troop deaths, and 50,000+ maimed burned and mentally ruined.

Time to look in the mirror and face the truth. Now how can we get our young men home before more are killed and maimed over this lie.

I imagine in 50 or so years there will be people sitting in nursing homes discussing the last place Saddam's suspected wmds were hidden.

 

[Guttermouth]

I think some are in a rush to get us out of Iraq to incite their prurient interest in the now vacant rape rooms or the fear the human shredding machines are going to rust from lack of use. Still there is that death cult obsession the liberals are obsessed with that just might be holding to curiosity towards the mass graves legacy of Saddam ?

My interest in getting out of Iraq is to save the lives of American soldiers and as many inocent civilians as possible.

My interest is in closing down the rape and torture rooms set up by the Bush admin and justified by Alberto Gonzales.

My interest is in ending the need for mass graves. How many such graves have been dug in Iraq since the occupation? Does 40,000 civilian deaths qualify?

We have taken control of Iraq. We now carry the responsibility for the rapes, torture and mass graves. Its absolutely sickening.

 

[StMatthew2429]

Its absolutely sickening.

Thats right. They are sick. We are cattle to them. Sad but true.

 

[ONEGod]

#125
Today, 03:04 AM




Guttermouth
Junior Member



Quote
Originally Posted by: ONEGod
I think some are in a rush to get us out of Iraq to incite their prurient interest in the now vacant rape rooms or the fear the human shredding machines are going to rust from lack of use. Still there is that death cult obsession the liberals are obsessed with that just might be holding to curiosity towards the mass graves legacy of Saddam ?






Guttermouth :
My interest in getting out of Iraq is to save the lives of American soldiers and as many inocent civilians as possible.

ONEGod:
Maybe you haven't noticed, the war on terror includes Islamofascist and America needs to remedy 9-11 that political appeasers brought upon us.

Guttermouth :
My interest is in closing down the rape and torture rooms set up by the Bush admin and justified by Alberto Gonzales.

ONEGod:
I don't perceive any truth there, just hyperventilation, perhaps you could elaborate/substantiate ? ? ?


Guttermouth :
My interest is in ending the need for mass graves. How many such graves have been dug in Iraq since the occupation? Does 40,000 civilian deaths qualify?

ONEGod:
Again hyperventilation/hysterics, elaborate or substantiate please, links are always nice.


Guttermouth :
We have taken control of Iraq. We now carry the responsibility for the rapes, torture and mass graves. Its absolutely sickening.

ONEGod:
Lies are sickening for political agendas, devoid of God. There is a need for pertinent facts, not irrational baseless/groundless emotions.

 

[k]

My interest in getting out of Iraq is to save the lives of American soldiers and as many inocent civilians as possible.

My interest is in closing down the rape and torture rooms set up by the Bush admin and justified by Alberto Gonzales.

My interest is in ending the need for mass graves. How many such graves have been dug in Iraq since the occupation? Does 40,000 civilian deaths qualify?

We have taken control of Iraq. We now carry the responsibility for the rapes, torture and mass graves. Its absolutely sickening.

I know the US dug some mass graves back in 91' because that was easier than actually tagging and bagging the dead. No doubt some of those graves were found in 03' then blamed strictly on Saddam. Many Americans ate it like free chocolate.

 

[k]

Thats right. They are sick. We are cattle to them. Sad but true.

Hey! Who you calling a cow? I've lost weight!!

 

[Guttermouth]

#125
Today, 03:04 AM

Guttermouth
Junior Member

Quote
Originally Posted by: ONEGod
I think some are in a rush to get us out of Iraq to incite their prurient interest in the now vacant rape rooms or the fear the human shredding machines are going to rust from lack of use. Still there is that death cult obsession the liberals are obsessed with that just might be holding to curiosity towards the mass graves legacy of Saddam ?

Guttermouth :
My interest in getting out of Iraq is to save the lives of American soldiers and as many inocent civilians as possible.

ONEGod:
Maybe you haven't noticed, the war on terror includes Islamofascist and America needs to remedy 9-11 that political appeasers brought upon us.

Guttermouth :
My interest is in closing down the rape and torture rooms set up by the Bush admin and justified by Alberto Gonzales.

ONEGod:
I don't perceive any truth there, just hyperventilation, perhaps you could elaborate/substantiate ? ? ?

Guttermouth :
My interest is in ending the need for mass graves. How many such graves have been dug in Iraq since the occupation? Does 40,000 civilian deaths qualify?

ONEGod:
Again hyperventilation/hysterics, elaborate or substantiate please, links are always nice.

Guttermouth :
We have taken control of Iraq. We now carry the responsibility for the rapes, torture and mass graves. Its absolutely sickening.

ONEGod:
Lies are sickening for political agendas, devoid of God. There is a need for pertinent facts, not irrational baseless/groundless emotions.

Wow. If any of you on the board want to learn a little about Iraq, it is really quite easy to do, even on the internet.

Go to the search engine Google. To learn about our torture prisons which included murder, rape and sexual humiliation, try typing in “Abu Ghraib”. To learn about our attorney general’s sanctioning of it, try typing in “Alberto Gonzalez torture”. To learn about civilian and military casualties in Iraq, try typing in “civilian and military casualties in Iraq”. Its pretty easy, really and you will learn all kinds of things. Just make sure that the sites you visit cite reliable sources and references. You could step it up a little by reading some books.

But the, “you are hysterical” and “prove it” comments are cute. Kind of like asking me to prove that it is the anniversary of Elvis’ death. If I need to prove something so obvious, you really need to try doing a little reading.

 

[ONEGod]

Just simply say you don't stand by your dubious accusations, Guttermouth.

 

[k]

Just simply say you don't stand by your dubious accusations, Guttermouth.

Maybe it would be more helpful to actually stick to addressing the facts instead of these silly personal attacks? They are not good, not bad....just simply a waste of everyones' time.

 

[ONEGod]

Asserting someone to substantiate their hysterics or groundless/baseless politicly parroting statements is not a waste of time, Neverstop. It keeps the conversation on a level/genuine basis.
Odd you haven't noticed.

 

[Guttermouth]

[FONT=&quot]Sorry, you can puff up and attack me personally all you want. I am not going to lay out the history of Abu Ghraib for you. Whatever your stance politically, you know that we were running a torture prison there, that people were raped, murdered and sexually humiliated. The enlisted took the fall for our failed leaders.

You also know that tens of thousands of people have been killed in Iraq since the 2003 invasion and that those people have been buried there. And you know that more than 2,500 American troops have been killed and tens of thousands seriously wounded.

Puff away and call the facts hysterics. I don’t care. Either you are being disingenuous or you don’t know any of the facts.

But back to the OP. As I said previously, there were no WMD. They didn’t exist. The pro-war folks messed up. Look in the mirror, face your failures, and begin discussing how we can stop the killing. I know its hard to admit a mistake that lead to so many deaths, but we can begin today to bring an end to it. You can puff and pretend all day, but we just end up right back where we started.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]

 

[ONEGod]

#134
Yesterday, 05:44 AM




Guttermouth
Junior Member

10:42 PM

Guttermouth :
Sorry, you can puff up and attack me personally all you want. I am not going to lay out the history of Abu Ghraib for you. Whatever your stance politically, you know that we were running a torture prison there, that people were raped, murdered and sexually humiliated. The enlisted took the fall for our failed leaders.

ONEGod:
I know there were accusations of such, but then there were accusations by the same political crowd of our soldiers robbing and plundering banks and museums during the war that were completely false. I don't have confidence in the accusations of those repeatedly proven false accusers, even if it was for political purposes.

Guttermouth :
You also know that tens of thousands of people have been killed in Iraq since the 2003 invasion and that those people have been buried there. And you know that more than 2,500 American troops have been killed and tens of thousands seriously wounded.

ONEGod:
Maybe that many have been killed, maybe, but far more have been saved from the systematic human butchery of mass graves, REAL torture, human shredding machines, and rape rooms.

Guttermouth :
Puff away and call the facts hysterics. I don’t care. Either you are being disingenuous or you don’t know any of the facts.

ONEGod:
I have seen much of the hysterics of the false accusers and commented on it in the above.

Guttermouth :
But back to the OP. As I said previously, there were no WMD. They didn’t exist. The pro-war folks messed up. Look in the mirror, face your failures, and begin discussing how we can stop the killing. I know its hard to admit a mistake that lead to so many deaths, but we can begin today to bring an end to it. You can puff and pretend all day, but we just end up right back where we started.

ONEGod:
Odd there have been many reports of WMD's found in Iraq. Maybe you are out of touch ? ? ?
Partial posting;

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38213
Friday, August 18, 2006 Evening Edition
OPERATION: IRAQI FREEDOM
Saddam's WMD
have been found
New evidence unveils chemical, biological, nuclear, ballistic arms
By Kenneth R. Timmerman
© 2004 Insight/News World Communications Inc.
New evidence out of Iraq suggests the U.S. effort to track down Saddam Hussein's missing weapons of mass destruction is having better success than is being reported.
Key assertions by the intelligence community widely judged in the media and by critics of President Bush as having been false are turning out to have been true after all.
But this stunning news has received little attention from the major media, and the president's critics continue to insist that "no weapons" have been found.
In virtually every case -- chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missiles -- the United States has found the weapons and the programs that the Iraqi dictator successfully concealed for 12 years from U.N. weapons inspectors.
When former weapons inspector Kay reported to Congress in January that the United States had found "no stockpiles" of forbidden weapons in Iraq, his conclusions made front-page news. But when he detailed what the ISG had found in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence last October, few took notice.
Among Kay's revelations, which officials tell Insight have been amplified in subsequent inspections in recent weeks:
A prison laboratory complex that may have been used for human testing of BW agents and "that Iraqi officials working to prepare the U.N. inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the U.N." Why was Saddam interested in testing biological-warfare agents on humans if he didn't have a biological-weapons program?
"Reference strains" of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents were found beneath the sink in the home of a prominent Iraqi BW scientist. "We thought it was a big deal," a senior administration official said. "But it has been written off [by the press] as a sort of 'starter set.'"
New research on BW-applicable agents, brucella and Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever, and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin that were not declared to the United Nations.
A line of unmanned aerial vehicles, UAVs, or drones, "not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 kilometers [311 miles], 350 kilometers [217 miles] beyond the permissible limit."
"Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited Scud-variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the U.N."
"Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1,000 kilometers [621 miles] -- well beyond the 150-kilometer-range limit [93 miles] imposed by the U.N. Missiles of a 1,000-kilometer range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets throughout the Middle East, including Ankara [Turkey], Cairo [Egypt] and Abu Dhabi [United Arab Emirates]."
In addition, through interviews with Iraqi scientists, seized documents and other evidence, the ISG learned the Iraqi government had made "clandestine attempts between late 1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300-kilometer-range [807 miles] ballistic missiles -- probably the No Dong -- 300-kilometer-range [186 miles] antiship cruise missiles and other prohibited military equipment," Kay reported.
In testimony before Congress on March 30, Duelfer, revealed the ISG had found evidence of a "crash program" to construct new plants capable of making chemical- and biological-warfare agents.
The ISG also found a previously undeclared program to build a "high-speed rail gun," a device apparently designed for testing nuclear-weapons materials. That came in addition to 500 tons of natural uranium stockpiled at Iraq's main declared nuclear site south of Baghdad, which International Atomic Energy Agency spokesman Mark Gwozdecky acknowledged to Insight had been intended for "a clandestine nuclear-weapons program."

 

[Guttermouth]

#134
Yesterday, 05:44 AM




Guttermouth
Junior Member

10:42 PM

Guttermouth :
Sorry, you can puff up and attack me personally all you want. I am not going to lay out the history of Abu Ghraib for you. Whatever your stance politically, you know that we were running a torture prison there, that people were raped, murdered and sexually humiliated. The enlisted took the fall for our failed leaders.

ONEGod:
I know there were accusations of such, but then there were accusations by the same political crowd of our soldiers robbing and plundering banks and museums during the war that were completely false. I don't have confidence in the accusations of those repeatedly proven false accusers, even if it was for political purposes.

Guttermouth :
You also know that tens of thousands of people have been killed in Iraq since the 2003 invasion and that those people have been buried there. And you know that more than 2,500 American troops have been killed and tens of thousands seriously wounded.

ONEGod:
Maybe that many have been killed, maybe, but far more have been saved from the systematic human butchery of mass graves, REAL torture, human shredding machines, and rape rooms.

Guttermouth :
Puff away and call the facts hysterics. I don’t care. Either you are being disingenuous or you don’t know any of the facts.

ONEGod:
I have seen much of the hysterics of the false accusers and commented on it in the above.

Guttermouth :
But back to the OP. As I said previously, there were no WMD. They didn’t exist. The pro-war folks messed up. Look in the mirror, face your failures, and begin discussing how we can stop the killing. I know its hard to admit a mistake that lead to so many deaths, but we can begin today to bring an end to it. You can puff and pretend all day, but we just end up right back where we started.

ONEGod:
Odd there have been many reports of WMD's found in Iraq. Maybe you are out of touch ? ? ?
Partial posting;

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38213
Friday, August 18, 2006 Evening Edition
OPERATION: IRAQI FREEDOM
Saddam's WMD
have been found
New evidence unveils chemical, biological, nuclear, ballistic arms
By Kenneth R. Timmerman
© 2004 Insight/News World Communications Inc.
New evidence out of Iraq suggests the U.S. effort to track down Saddam Hussein's missing weapons of mass destruction is having better success than is being reported.
Key assertions by the intelligence community widely judged in the media and by critics of President Bush as having been false are turning out to have been true after all.
But this stunning news has received little attention from the major media, and the president's critics continue to insist that "no weapons" have been found.
In virtually every case -- chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missiles -- the United States has found the weapons and the programs that the Iraqi dictator successfully concealed for 12 years from U.N. weapons inspectors.
When former weapons inspector Kay reported to Congress in January that the United States had found "no stockpiles" of forbidden weapons in Iraq, his conclusions made front-page news. But when he detailed what the ISG had found in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence last October, few took notice.
Among Kay's revelations, which officials tell Insight have been amplified in subsequent inspections in recent weeks:
A prison laboratory complex that may have been used for human testing of BW agents and "that Iraqi officials working to prepare the U.N. inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the U.N." Why was Saddam interested in testing biological-warfare agents on humans if he didn't have a biological-weapons program?
"Reference strains" of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents were found beneath the sink in the home of a prominent Iraqi BW scientist. "We thought it was a big deal," a senior administration official said. "But it has been written off [by the press] as a sort of 'starter set.'"
New research on BW-applicable agents, brucella and Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever, and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin that were not declared to the United Nations.
A line of unmanned aerial vehicles, UAVs, or drones, "not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 kilometers [311 miles], 350 kilometers [217 miles] beyond the permissible limit."
"Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited Scud-variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the U.N."
"Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1,000 kilometers [621 miles] -- well beyond the 150-kilometer-range limit [93 miles] imposed by the U.N. Missiles of a 1,000-kilometer range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets throughout the Middle East, including Ankara [Turkey], Cairo [Egypt] and Abu Dhabi [United Arab Emirates]."
In addition, through interviews with Iraqi scientists, seized documents and other evidence, the ISG learned the Iraqi government had made "clandestine attempts between late 1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300-kilometer-range [807 miles] ballistic missiles -- probably the No Dong -- 300-kilometer-range [186 miles] antiship cruise missiles and other prohibited military equipment," Kay reported.
In testimony before Congress on March 30, Duelfer, revealed the ISG had found evidence of a "crash program" to construct new plants capable of making chemical- and biological-warfare agents.
The ISG also found a previously undeclared program to build a "high-speed rail gun," a device apparently designed for testing nuclear-weapons materials. That came in addition to 500 tons of natural uranium stockpiled at Iraq's main declared nuclear site south of Baghdad, which International Atomic Energy Agency spokesman Mark Gwozdecky acknowledged to Insight had been intended for "a clandestine nuclear-weapons program."

Please. I am begging you. Read the Duelfer Report! Base your opinions of actual facts. Your post of an inaccurate story about WMD from 2004 is, quite simply, a joke. A very sad joke.

 

[ONEGod]

It comes down to, is truth out of line with you, or can you get in line with the truth. God's Way is WE get in line with the truth.

 

[Verv]

[FONT=&quot]Sorry, you can puff up and attack me personally all you want. I am not going to lay out the history of Abu Ghraib for you. Whatever your stance politically, you know that we were running a torture prison there, that people were raped, murdered and sexually humiliated. The enlisted took the fall for our failed leaders.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]You also know that tens of thousands of people have been killed in Iraq since the 2003 invasion and that those people have been buried there. And you know that more than 2,500 American troops have been killed and tens of thousands seriously wounded.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Puff away and call the facts hysterics. I don’t care. Either you are being disingenuous or you don’t know any of the facts. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]But back to the OP. As I said previously, there were no WMD. They didn’t exist. The pro-war folks messed up. Look in the mirror, face your failures, and begin discussing how we can stop the killing. I know its hard to admit a mistake that lead to so many deaths, but we can begin today to bring an end to it. You can puff and pretend all day, but we just end up right back where we started.[/FONT]

See what i disagree with this is the fact that the abu gharib incident and every civilian casualty is not something that we approve of -- it is something that we very much so condemn, and we would like to disclude from our account of what was happening. we would have prevented every single incident if we could have whereas Hussein institutionalized these incidences.

That is why he needed to be removed from power.